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When the government started offering rebates for EV's they said they wanted 10% of all the cars in Ontario to be EV's in 5 years as I recall. Toronto Hydro commented that 10% EV's would collapse the grid in Toronto. Some of the other issues that have come up in Toronto and I suspect other older cities is the lack of ability to get cars plugged in as many homes only have street parking and not reserved. There have been a number of folks with EV;s that can't get them charged at home as they may have to park blocks away. The city also won't allow folks to run charging outlets out to the street. And I don't need to get over anything, I'm happy with my diesel. |
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12-14-2018, 01:24 PM | #46 |
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Most actual EV owners charge their cars at home and at night. This is precisely when the demand on the infrastructure is lowest and correspondingly why the rates are often cheaper during those times. A high power level 2 charger draws only 32-40A. This is typically easily offset by the dormancy of a household at night.
Many folks couldn't stream video off the internet until their service provider switched from dial-up to cable. EV use may not work for everyone right now, but it can work for VERY MANY. As more folks adopt the technology, then apartments and other detached domiciles will ultimately find a way to make charging practical. For some people, they might also be able to charge at work. Near term, with the current range of EV's, charging once a day while at work might very well substitute for charging once a night at home for many people. If your infrastructure can't handle night time EV charging (when the actual industrial power demands are significantly diminished), then you have bigger issues... ...and what gives you the impulse to also condemn autonomous vehicles? That's not even the subject. You just sorta threw that one in. It sure looks like you feel threatened by any/all technological advancements. Good luck with the future!
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It works that way now. If more than 50% of the cars are replaced with EV, then situation will be totally different. Not all of them have their own garage. Also, 40A all night is actually quite a bit. Most of the older cities will need new power grid. If EV work for you that well, why aren't all of your vehicle EV? It works because you have other cars. |
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I hate all the snobs (not referring to the post i am replying to) who act like people concerned with charging are wimps that need to suck it up. Spare us your stories of how brave you are. EVs arent for everyone, and the versions available right now definitely arent for everyone. |
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12-14-2018, 09:18 PM | #49 |
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Yet the Porsche claim is not "just a story"? LOL
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12-14-2018, 09:21 PM | #50 | |
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And you didn't even delve into the maintenance of such heavy equipment.
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Porsche is not stupid. GM however is more than half asleep.
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GM produced a modern EV 22 effing years ago to meet Cali CARB mandates, yet the rest of the US market had no interest in it. GM's first extended-range EV was released for sale in December 2010 (quick math for you, that was 8 years ago). Porsche was still making an egg-shaped car that it first introduced in 1965 to the US. Porsche had to introduce a shared-platform SUV in 2003 to survive as a car company. GM created the first "modern" SUV arguably in 1967 with the 6th generation Suburban (the '66 Ford Bronco might qualify too). WTF are you talking about " a story"? LOL
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In the USA the average price of electricity is 10.5 cents per kWh. At an average price of $2.40 for regular gasoline, the kWh price of gasoline is 7.1 cents per kWh. Gasoline is a far better fuel format for on-board energy storage.
Anyone with a brain (vs. some stupid emotional tie to trying to save the planet) would conclude the solution to the problem is to increase the efficiency of burning gasoline for motive power.
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Always amazed how many people predicting that EVs will take over the market neglect the millions and millions of people that use on-street parking and have zero ability to charge at home. Not everyone can charge at home people!
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Maybe go back and read what you posted before you act like a little b.
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Uh huh; killer comeback.
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Wouldn't it be cool to have these fast chargers at various tracks?
I'd love an electric Porsche that can be charged adequately between outings.... That is the problem that needs to be solved for Tesla when they claim their model 3 performance is faster than an M3 around a track. M3 owners reply: maybe for 1 30 min outing, and you're done for the day.... |
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My two cents, EV's have no soul......ICE, that's got some soul my friend, old school. The smell of gas and oil, rowing the gears the sound, that's where it's at. But I'm a Grumpy old man.
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But wheel of the future is E-driven, nobody can hold back that revolution. Everyone having a wire to the industry knows that. And the signs are clear: SMART will terminate all ICE variants by 2020, VW sets up a whole new entry level E-class, Porsche and Mercedes have made clear announcements regarding their coming EV lineup. It will go faster and faster now. ICE will soon be very uncool. And that's good news for the kids of tomorrow. |
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30 minutes is not ridiculous but 10 minutes is. The Tesla Model 3 has a 310 mile range.
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Perhaps research battery overheating, and come back. |
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The car's battery will not be depleted by 30 minutes of track time. Tesla's battery chemistry is very well thought out and the Model 3 packs are the most advanced of all.
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Also the battery packs tend to be liquid cooled. The tesla actually runs a cooling program during charging especially fast charging as the batteries tend to get a little toasty. I think the car can also use its AC system to further cool the loop if needed.
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