M2 CS Seats height?

m2cs__ · 10-23-2023, 03:08 PM

Is there anything I can add to my rails to give me a 1-3 inches raise?

///MPhatic · 10-23-2023, 05:49 PM

If you're wanting that much, contact Plated, they have the best spacers out there.

https://www.425motorsports.com/catal...lanted+spacers

I raised mine with some bolts from McMaster and some aluminum spacers.

Golden3ye · 10-23-2023, 06:41 PM

I’m curious why you guys are raising your seats when the rest of the world seems to think the 2 series is too tall and upright

IcewaterPete · 10-24-2023, 06:22 PM

This is a first. I too am curious as to why the need to lift the seat height.

Davil · 10-24-2023, 10:19 PM

The seats in the CS are lower than those in the C.

I’m tall so no problems but if you are shorter I could see why.

F87EVO · 10-25-2023, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Davil

The seats in the CS are lower than those in the C.

I’m tall so no problems but if you are shorter I could see why.

Really? are the lower that the comp?

windnsea00 · 10-25-2023, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MisanoBlue

Really? are the lower that the comp?

The driver side certainly is.

Davil · 10-25-2023, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MisanoBlue

Really? are the lower that the comp?

Yes. One of the first things I noticed when I got out of the old one and straight into the new one.

F87EVO · 10-26-2023, 01:23 AM

weird , but good to hear. Im 1.80m and the driving position is perfect !

CSBM5 · 10-26-2023, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MisanoBlue

Really? are the lower that the comp?

Yeah, if you measure them and/or investigate it closely, that's not the case. The seats are the ZCP ones from the M4, and the bases on them are identical to the non-ZCP seats...as in identical part numbers. Only the backrest is changed for the ZCP/CS seats. The parts for the lower frame, padding, and seat cover are all identical across the board.

///MPhatic · 10-26-2023, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Golden3ye

I’m curious why you guys are raising your seats when the rest of the world seems to think the 2 series is too tall and upright

I'm 5'4"

Reddevils7 · 10-26-2023, 04:44 PM

I'm 5'7" and I keep the seat all the way lowered and no issues. Personally myself, I like sitting lower with that gocart feeling. Ngl, when it gets sketchy in parking garages, etc. I will lean forward just to be safe and make sure I'm seeing everything. But having front pdc definitely makes life easier too

Davil · 10-26-2023, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CSBM5

Yeah, if you measure them and/or investigate it closely, that's not the case. The seats are the ZCP ones from the M4, and the bases on them are identical to the non-ZCP seats...as in identical part numbers. Only the backrest is changed for the ZCP/CS seats. The parts for the lower frame, padding, and seat cover are all identical across the board.

Yet here we are. I guess it’s the same as the front suspension being identical yet somehow camber is different. Rinse repeat.

///MPhatic · 10-26-2023, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reddevils7

I'm 5'7" and I keep the seat all the way lowered and no issues. Personally myself, I like sitting lower with that gocart feeling. Ngl, when it gets sketchy in parking garages, etc. I will lean forward just to be safe and make sure I'm seeing everything. But having front pdc definitely makes life easier too

It's all in what you like. I have raised the seat in my Lotus as well, as they made the car for short people, but still put them on the floor (as if everyone that bought the car wanted to race it). I was literally looking through the steering wheel. I can drive like that, I just don't like to, and as I get older I find that I do less and less things I don't like to do. I mean, if I were driving an F1 car, sure, but a damn luxury cruiser M2? No thanks.

CSBM5 · 10-27-2023, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Yet here we are. I guess it’s the same as the front suspension being identical yet somehow camber is different. Rinse repeat.

It's not different. At least in the three CS' I've seen alignment results from...they all are spot on spec for the M2C at -1.5 +/- 0.5 degrees. The actual spec is in degree/minutes -1°29' +/-0°30'. For a while, people suspected BMW used the camber correction hubs available which add 0.5° negative camber, but no completely stock CS has ever shown -2.0°.

Davil · 10-28-2023, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CSBM5

It's not different. At least in the three CS' I've seen alignment results from...they all are spot on spec for the M2C at -1.5 +/- 0.5 degrees. The actual spec is in degree/minutes -1°29' +/-0°30'. For a while, people suspected BMW used the camber correction hubs available which add 0.5° negative camber, but no completely stock CS has ever shown -2.0°.

bruiser135msport · 10-28-2023, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CSBM5

It's not different. At least in the three CS' I've seen alignment results from...they all are spot on spec for the M2C at -1.5 +/- 0.5 degrees. The actual spec is in degree/minutes -1°29' +/-0°30'. For a while, people suspected BMW used the camber correction hubs available which add 0.5° negative camber, but no completely stock CS has ever shown -2.0°.

Ok you are wrong and here are the standard BMW alignment figures released in Germany on the M2 Cs :

extract german car magazine road test on m2CS

front toe in 0'06" camber 1'48" - respective ranges 0'02" to 0'18" & -1'14 to -1'44"
rear toe in 0'16" camber 1'24" - respective ranges 0'10" to 0'22" & -1'35 to -2'05"

Std M2/M2C alignment ranges:-

front (nominal) toe in 0'05" & camber -1'29" - respective ranges -0'01" to 0'11" & range -0'59 to -1'59"
rear (nominal) toe in 0'08" & camber -1'50" - respective ranges 0'02" to 0'14" & range -1'30 to -2'10

CSBM5 · 10-28-2023, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bruiser135msport

Ok you are wrong and here are the standard BMW alignment figures released in Germany on the M2 Cs :

extract german car magazine road test on m2CS

front toe in 0'06" camber 1'48" - respective ranges 0'02" to 0'18" & -1'14 to -1'44"
rear toe in 0'16" camber 1'24" - respective ranges 0'10" to 0'22" & -1'35 to -2'05"

Std M2/M2C alignment ranges:-

front (nominal) toe in 0'05" & camber -1'29" - respective ranges -0'01" to 0'11" & range -0'59 to -1'59"
rear (nominal) toe in 0'08" & camber -1'50" - respective ranges 0'02" to 0'14" & range -1'30 to -2'10

I was quoting actual figures people obtained with M2 CS' on an alignment rack here in the US and posted in this forum.

So BMW is saying the CS has a nominal front camber value that is 19 minutes more negative? 19/60 = 0.3 degrees, so CS should show -1.8 on the rack versus -1.5 on the M2C. How did they obtain that since the camber correction hubs add 30 minutes of negative camber (i.e. nominal value 1'59" afterwards). And if so, why are CS owners posting alignment results such as this one with almost spot on 1.5 degrees (1'28"L, 1'32"R) which is the same as the M2C?

///MPhatic · 10-28-2023, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CSBM5

I was quoting actual figures people obtained with M2 CS' on an alignment rack here in the US and posted in this forum.

And you are correct.

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