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      12-05-2019, 04:08 PM   #573
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This has never been about ‘dissing’ the M2CS, as much as it has been about the incredible value of the M2C.
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Plus, once and for all, can we please dispel this notion that all these carbon fiber parts and other aesthetic desires have anything whatsoever to do with performance.
Pretty much, although I would argue that the larger front spoiler and vented hood should offer a slight improvement in cooling and reducing front end lift (not that they need to be made from carbon fiber)

Anyhow, as I think Poochie pointed out earlier in this thread, when one looks beyond the pretty new bits on the M2 CS the only truly significant difference I see is the fully integrated M adaptive suspension (which many serious track rats would likely swap out for high end coilovers anyway)
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Let's not kid ourselves - it's a great car just not for the money. Much like the M4 and M3 CS.

Anyone buying this with the felling that this will be a better car is delusional. People buying this as a collectible - similarly delusional.

Those buying it for exclusivity and because they can't be arsed modding - realistic.
I agree with this. I'm looking for the most advanced M2 and I'm not interested at all in modding myself. Plus a new 911 Carrera S is too pricey at this time.
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Let's not kid ourselves - it's a great car just not for the money. Much like the M4 and M3 CS.

Anyone buying this with the felling that this will be a better car is delusional. People buying this as a collectible - similarly delusional.

Those buying it for exclusivity and because they can't be arsed modding - realistic.
I agree with this. I'm looking for the most advanced M2 and I'm not interested at all in modding myself. Plus a new 911 Carrera S is too pricey at this time.
You and me both. So for people saying how this vehicle is not priced or optioned appropriately and there is no market for it, it is simply not true.

I use to mod a Mazdaspeed 3 back in my younger days, but nowadays, I do not have the time or space to do so. I just want a special vehicle that harkens back to pure driving emotions that I can keep for a long time. The back seats are a huge plus in my book in case I need to haul passengers. And like I previously state, a Porsche GT4 or even base 992 is priced too high or lacking comparable equipment.

In fact, I'm actually bummed that there is not a heated steering wheel haha. Hey, I want some modern luxuries too
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This has never been about 'dissing' the M2CS, as much as it has been about the incredible value of the M2C.
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Plus, once and for all, can we please dispel this notion that all these carbon fiber parts and other aesthetic desires have anything whatsoever to do with performance.
Pretty much, although I would argue that the larger front spoiler and vented hood should offer a slight improvement in cooling and reducing front end lift (not that they need to be made from carbon fiber)

Anyhow, as I think Poochie pointed out earlier in this thread, when one looks beyond the pretty new bits on the M2 CS the only truly significant difference I see is the fully integrated M adaptive suspension (which many serious track rats would likely swap out for high end coilovers anyway)
True story. As Poochie indicated .. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see all M2 get adaptive suspension by model end... perhaps immediately after the M2 CS production ends.

BMW will reduce SKU and since they have already got tons of stock of adaptive parts they will very likely discontinue the original and put adaptive across the M2 range as the M4 sunsets.

Another reason for adding adaptive to the CS is that it matches up with the competition in marketing. Camaro 1LE and GT500 both have adaptive/magnetic setups along with other competitors.
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Let's not kid ourselves - it's a great car just not for the money. Much like the M4 and M3 CS.

Anyone buying this with the felling that this will be a better car is delusional. People buying this as a collectible - similarly delusional.

Those buying it for exclusivity and because they can't be arsed modding - realistic.
I agree with this. I'm looking for the most advanced M2 and I'm not interested at all in modding myself. Plus a new 911 Carrera S is too pricey at this time.
You and me both. So for people saying how this vehicle is not priced or optioned appropriately and there is no market for it, it is simply not true.

I use to mod a Mazdaspeed 3 back in my younger days, but nowadays, I do not have the time or space to do so. I just want a special vehicle that harkens back to pure driving emotions that I can keep for a long time. The back seats are a huge plus in my book in case I need to haul passengers. And like I previously state, a Porsche GT4 or even base 992 is priced too high or lacking comparable equipment.

In fact, I'm actually bummed that there is not a heated steering wheel haha. Hey, I want some modern luxuries too
That's the problem with the CS models. They remove the modern luxuries and yet it doesn't get any lighter !

No comfort access
No wireless charging
No center console cubby and armrest
Heated wheel - well the alcantara is nice.
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This has never been about 'dissing' the M2CS, as much as it has been about the incredible value of the M2C.
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True story. As Poochie indicated .. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see all M2 get adaptive suspension by model end... perhaps immediately after the M2 CS production ends.
Imagine how pissed off CS owners would be after they just dropped 85k + for their new ride and a year later you can get a M2C with Adaptive Suspension for about 25k cheaper.

Call me vain but I still would like a M2 CS because of its exclusivity but I'm not delusional; those carbon fiber pieces reduces no meaningful weight and the M2 in all variants are not track cars, so I would prefer a sunroof that I could blow weed smoke out of, while staring at the moonlight..
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Sorry 83k for an m2? No way. I'd buy a couple year old Carerra S or save 50% and get an m4.
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BMW cannot put the horses back in the barn. The S55 is already in the M2C. Really, the perfect storm of circumstances for BMW as - due to environmental emission laws - a generational ///M car was born. Tell me anyone at BMW ever planned or saw this coming?!

BMW should run with the irony and apply it to their advantage with the 'limited release' M2CS model. How?

BMW can (1) adhere to CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Consumption) laws, AND (2) give M2 owners true exclusivity with a 'limited release' M2CS model by taking a page out of the Porsche playbook. As Porsche did with the 718 GT4, BMW should put a NAF6 in the M2CS.

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so I would prefer a sunroof that I could blow weed smoke out of, while staring at the moonlight..


I cannot think of a better use for one!
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Yes, as in this example below.

I cannot believe this thing is sitting on a Chrysler lot in Nevada.

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https://www.auto.com/cars/bmw-m2-com...18#ad_carousel
noob question here....what upgrades are you guys seeing? I admit that I've been out of the loop since I bought my M235i when it was released. All I see is the steering wheel....help! I would consider doing something stupid like buying it and driving it back
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Imagine how pissed off CS owners would be after they just dropped 85k + for their new ride and a year later you can get a M2C with Adaptive Suspension for about 25k cheaper.

Call me vain but I still would like a M2 CS because of its exclusivity but I'm not delusional; those carbon fiber pieces reduces no meaningful weight and the M2 in all variants are not track cars, so I would prefer a sunroof that I could blow weed smoke out of, while staring at the moonlight..
Smoking in the car? 😱
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Smoking in the car? 😱
Seriously, people think mods take value off a car. Smoking is worse.

My father had a co-worker that smoked cigars in his 7 series often. No treatment could get that out of the HVAC system. Pretty sure that car got sold at auction.
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Imagine how pissed off CS owners would be after they just dropped 85k + for their new ride and a year later you can get a M2C with Adaptive Suspension for about 25k cheaper.

Call me vain but I still would like a M2 CS because of its exclusivity but I'm not delusional; those carbon fiber pieces reduces no meaningful weight and the M2 in all variants are not track cars, so I would prefer a sunroof that I could blow weed smoke out of, while staring at the moonlight..
Smoking in the car? 😱
LoL, why not.. The smell doesn't linger and that's why God invented windows, sunroofs and in some cases, retractable tops.

Once the novelty wears out, an automobile becomes another inanimate, daily tool and beside, I've done a lot worst in my automobiles..


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Smoking in the car? 😱
Seriously, people think mods take value off a car. Smoking is worse.

My father had a co-worker that smoked cigars in his 7 series often. No treatment could get that out of the HVAC system. Pretty sure that car got sold at auction.
For the record, cigarette smoke is way more noxious than an occasional toke of cannabis sativa.

If you daily cigarette smoke in your vehicle (yuck), obviously, it's going to eventually start smelling like an astray.
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Imagine how pissed off CS owners would be after they just dropped 85k + for their new ride and a year later you can get a M2C with Adaptive Suspension for about 25k cheaper.

Call me vain but I still would like a M2 CS because of its exclusivity but I'm not delusional; those carbon fiber pieces reduces no meaningful weight and the M2 in all variants are not track cars, so I would prefer a sunroof that I could blow weed smoke out of, while staring at the moonlight..
This. Man I'd be pissed. If the M2C had the adaptive suspension, then that would be the way I would go. Like you mentioned the exclusivity is nice, but I want more than just a different badge. Adaptive suspension, lack of time to mod, and other options don't excite me is why I'm still planning on moving forward with the CS.
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Imagine how pissed off CS owners would be after they just dropped 85k + for their new ride and a year later you can get a M2C with Adaptive Suspension for about 25k cheaper.

Call me vain but I still would like a M2 CS because of its exclusivity but I'm not delusional; those carbon fiber pieces reduces no meaningful weight and the M2 in all variants are not track cars, so I would prefer a sunroof that I could blow weed smoke out of, while staring at the moonlight..
This. Man I'd be pissed. If the M2C had the adaptive suspension, then that would be the way I would go. Like you mentioned the exclusivity is nice, but I want more than just a different badge. Adaptive suspension, lack of time to mod, and other options don't excite me is why I'm still planning on moving forward with the CS.
Nothing is obviously set in stone yet but observing BMW's modus operandi, this would more than likely happen.

I remember just a few years ago, when I had now purchase a 135i, the next year before they sunset the model, they released the 135is with all the bells and whistles, stock.

Also, the latest insider information has confirm that all future G80/82 M4s will have Adaptive Suspension standard.

It seems BMW has realize the benefits of having electronically manipulate dampers and are using them across the board, now that cost has subsidize and it's a good way to entice the last few potential buyers of the M2 F-series model, before the next generation.
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Speaking of adaptive suspension, why doesn't BMW make the comfort setting as comfortable as an X5. And obviously much more harsh in the sport setting.

I've experienced comfort setting in a few and and it is still pretty harsh to begin with on rougher roads.
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noob question here....what upgrades are you guys seeing? I admit that I've been out of the loop since I bought my M235i when it was released. All I see is the steering wheel....help! I would consider doing something stupid like buying it and driving it back
Hard to tell for sure since the pictures are so small, but based on what I can see to buy everything new at full MSRP would be around

M2 C $58,900
Long Beach Blue $550
Executive Package $1200
DCT $2900
Destination $995

CF Front Splitter $1690
CF Side Winglets $951.00
CF Rear Spoiler $563.00
763M Wheelset $5870.00
Electronic Steering Wheel $1890.00
Pedal Covers $169.00
CF Rear Diffusor (maybe, but can't tell for sure) $1160.00
CF Mirror Caps (maybe, but could be a wrap) $988.00
IND and Acexxon Reflector Package $265.50
Roof appears to be a wrap $?
Red Brake Calipers (probably painted) $?
Aftermarket Floor Mats (Coco?) $?

Total $78091.50 + $?
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Hard to tell for sure since the pictures are so small, but based on what I can see to buy everything new at full MSRP would be around

M2 C $58,900
Long Beach Blue $550
Executive Package $1200
DCT $2900
Destination $995

CF Front Splitter $1690
CF Side Winglets $951.00
CF Rear Spoiler $563.00
763M Wheelset $5870.00
Electronic Steering Wheel $1890.00
Pedal Covers $169.00
CF Rear Diffusor (maybe, but can't tell for sure) $1160.00
CF Mirror Caps (maybe, but could be a wrap) $988.00
IND and Acexxon Reflector Package $265.50
Roof appears to be a wrap $?
Red Brake Calipers (probably painted) $?
Aftermarket Floor Mats (Coco?) $?

Total $78091.50 + $?
You can also get the CCA discount on the M performance parts, which is sizable here.
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You can also get the CCA discount on the M performance parts, which is sizable here.
No doubt and several places to buy the parts for less such as Sun Motors, GetBMWParts, BMWPartsPros, etc.
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Are the 2nh red and 2nh silver the exact same brakes, minus color?
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