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      12-18-2019, 01:28 PM   #397
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Does the VRSF 5" HD require any modifications to install.
I don't believe so but their larger ones do even though they say that they don't.
On my particular vehicle, the CSF fit great.
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I don't believe so but their larger ones do even though they say that they don't.
On my particular vehicle, the CSF fit great.
The 6.5" Competition does not require additional modification and it will outperform the suggested CSF in both cooling capacity and airflow.
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The 6.5" Competition does not require additional modification and it will outperform the suggested CSF in both cooling capacity and airflow.
Good to know, will be ordering it.
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Good to know, will be ordering it.
Good luck! Let us know how you make out. We love pictures, LOL.
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In UK here, forge FMIC tempting me as same price as CSF and want to upgrade stock plastic pipes with the forge ones so compatibility should be great.

Or would people make a case for CSF?
Litchfield in UK use the forge in their tuning package and NVM and evolve seem to like CSF.
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In UK here, forge FMIC tempting me as same price as CSF and want to upgrade stock plastic pipes with the forge ones so compatibility should be great.

Or would people make a case for CSF?
Litchfield in UK use the forge in their tuning package and NVM and evolve seem to like CSF.
The forge one is tiny - it's not really much larger than stock.

I have recently bought a Do88 ic in the UK. Quality seems very good but not yet fitted it. Search earlier in this thread and someone has posted iat logs for it.

I personally think it'll be better than csf (faster flowing and slightly lighter) but for less money - in almost all other respects they are very similar.

You'd be better off with do88, wagner or csf than the forge.
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Did I miss something with CSF that makes it the hot ticket?
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The forge one is tiny - it's not really much larger than stock.

I have recently bought a Do88 ic in the UK. Quality seems very good but not yet fitted it. Search earlier in this thread and someone has posted iat logs for it.

I personally think it'll be better than csf (faster flowing and slightly lighter) but for less money - in almost all other respects they are very similar.

You'd be better off with do88, wagner or csf than the forge.
Thanks for the input. Eyeballing the forge I did wonder how exactly it was larger than the stock one, I know it's not stepped like the CSF (and not saying being stepped is only way to increase area) from photos.

Not heard of do88? Is it an eBay one?
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Not heard of do88?
https://www.do88.se/en/artiklar/hose...f87/index.html
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Thanks, I like their presentation of data.

Think any lag will be a problem with the do88?

In theory will all pipe upgrades be compatible with all intercoolers that are designed for stock mounting/oem replacement?

Or are there compatibility issues to be aware of?

So could I run forge pipes with a do88 FMIC or a CSF intercooler with FTP pipes etc?
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Thanks, I like their presentation of data.

Think any lag will be a problem with the do88?

In theory will all pipe upgrades be compatible with all intercoolers that are designed for stock mounting/oem replacement?

Or are there compatibility issues to be aware of?

So could I run forge pipes with a do88 FMIC or a CSF intercooler with FTP pipes etc?
I hate when people just bring up random brands, and just act like ĎBlank is names brand, it has to be goodí

There was a thread where someone had the full do88 coolers - oil and intercooler. They still got the engine too hot, and the car started to pull power.

FTP hot and cold line pipes arenít better than the stock parts, when is the last time anyone mentioned they failed?

The FTP inlet is the same size as stock, a true upgrade and power adder.

Just assuming because itís a X brand doesnít guarantee anything is actually good
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I hate when people just bring up random brands, and just act like ĎBlank is names brand, it has to be goodí

There was a thread where someone had the full do88 coolers - oil and intercooler. They still got the engine too hot, and the car started to pull power.

FTP hot and cold line pipes arenít better than the stock parts, when is the last time anyone mentioned they failed?

The FTP inlet is the same size as stock, a true upgrade and power adder.

Just assuming because itís a X brand doesnít guarantee anything is actually good
Get a grip buddy
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Thanks, I like their presentation of data.

Think any lag will be a problem with the do88?

In theory will all pipe upgrades be compatible with all intercoolers that are designed for stock mounting/oem replacement?

Or are there compatibility issues to be aware of?

So could I run forge pipes with a do88 FMIC or a CSF intercooler with FTP pipes etc?
I have fitted the do88 now and have a forge cp that fitted to it without issue.
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The FTP pipes are a waste, a Pure inlet is a real
Upgrade.

One person who did the whole Do88 still had cooling issues.

Neither one of these statements are false, and Iím trying to help make a more informed decision.
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      12-29-2019, 03:36 AM   #412
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I hate when people just bring up random brands, and just act like ĎBlank is names brand, it has to be goodí

There was a thread where someone had the full do88 coolers - oil and intercooler. They still got the engine too hot, and the car started to pull power.

FTP hot and cold line pipes arenít better than the stock parts, when is the last time anyone mentioned they failed?

The FTP inlet is the same size as stock, a true upgrade and power adder.

Just assuming because itís a X brand doesnít guarantee anything is actually good
do88 aren't a random brand - they have been established in Europe for some time, but have only more recently turned their attention to the BMW marque.

The quality of the intercooler they sent to me was really excellent.

Not sure if it is the same person you are referring to, but there was a guy that had higher coolant temps after fitting do88 parts, but that was later confirmed to be a bleeding issue - once re-bled, temps were good (in track conditions):
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=333

Agree that the FTP inlet probably isn't worth it, compared to Pure's (which I plan to fit at some point). Can't comment on the FTP cp and boost pipes, but any CP is better than the stock item to avoid a blow out.
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do88 aren't a random brand - they have been established in Europe for some time, but have only more recently turned their attention to the BMW marque.

The quality of the intercooler they sent to me was really excellent.

Not sure if it is the same person you are referring to, but there was a guy that had higher coolant temps after fitting do88 parts, but that was later confirmed to be a bleeding issue - once re-bled, temps were good (in track conditions):
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=333

Agree that the FTP inlet probably isn't worth it, compared to Pure's (which I plan to fit at some point). Can't comment on the FTP cp and boost pipes, but any CP is better than the stock item to avoid a blow out.
Again, nothing negative about the brands themselves, just they may not be the best option.

This was the thread on the Do88 stuff -
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...7#post24952747

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My questions are more about the difference in prices between brands. Intercoolers range from $300 to $800.

Other than users comments, there is no way to determine why such huge disparities. And even then it is more about preferences.

I would look toward a vendor like EPH to help clear up this. In addition if EPH considers one brand inferior then I would hope they stop selling it.
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My questions are more about the difference in prices between brands. Intercoolers range from $300 to $800.

Other than users comments, there is no way to determine why such huge disparities. And even then it is more about preferences.

I would look toward a vendor like EPH to help clear up this. In addition if EPH considers one brand inferior then I would hope they stop selling it.
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My questions are more about the difference in prices between brands. Intercoolers range from $300 to $800.
I wish the answer was this easy but lots of factors play a role with pricing including type of intercooler (tube & fin vs bar and plate), fin density, finish quality and wields, R&D and testing performed in the design stages, manufacturing country & the profit margin set by the manufacturer

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Other than users comments, there is no way to determine why such huge disparities. And even then it is more about preferences.
Thats why data is so important. Look for manufacturer or user posted info on temp control, pressure air drop, recovery and weight of the intercooler.

Truth is, cheaper intercoolers do not target the same audience as the more expensive ones. It depends on your mods, HP, etc...
Thats why companies like VRSF and Wagner Tuning offer different tiers of intercoolers.

If you need help picking the correct intercooler, send me your modifications and i can provide you with a few options
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Do88 seems good for £550. Before that was going to go CSF.

What I meant by listing all the brands is if they are OEM copy at the attachment/mounting ends are they all inherently compatible with each other?

Can I just do charge pipe and turbo inlet or should I also do turbo to Intercooler while at it?
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Do88 seems good for £550. Before that was going to go CSF.

What I meant by listing all the brands is if they are OEM copy at the attachment/mounting ends are they all inherently compatible with each other?

Can I just do charge pipe and turbo inlet or should I also do turbo to Intercooler while at it?
In theory, everything should be intercompatible as both pipe and intercooler manufacturers are aiming to interface with stock parts.

Most people just do the charge pipe and don't change the stock boost pipe. (I have this setup now)

However, if you are doing the inlet, then you really are trying to maximise all air flow, so an aftermarket boost pipe would ensure the least restriction out of the turbo and the best setup.
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In theory, everything should be intercompatible as both pipe and intercooler manufacturers are aiming to interface with stock parts.

Most people just do the charge pipe and don't change the stock boost pipe. (I have this setup now)

However, if you are doing the inlet, then you really are trying to maximise all air flow, so an aftermarket boost pipe would ensure the least restriction out of the turbo and the best setup.
A Pure inlet is larger than stock - I think another manufacture is making something similar, but the FTP stuff is the same as stock.

I've never heard or seen anyone show the a aftermarket boost pipe is larger/better flowing than stock.
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