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      10-09-2019, 10:08 AM   #353
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I'm aware the new VRSF 5" intercooler I have is in between their old 5" and 6.5" . VRSF commented saying there are 3 offered but I only see 2.
https://www.vr-speed.com/vrsf-interc...i-n20-n55.html

I don't plan to upgrade turbo, but do plan to run bm3 stage1 but would I still be sufficient enough to run stage2 even tho it's not a 6"+ intercooler? I was concerned with turbo lag with bigger intercooler and didn't really want to push for stage 2 but having the option to qualify with my VRSF 5" Stepped HD would be advantageous. (I don't track car but do pretty aggressive street and highway driving in vegas)

Also all this concern about turbo lag can be negated with a simple tune instead of upgrading turbo inlets?
here are the 3 options:
1- VRSF 5" intercooler
2- VRSF 6.5" Competition
3- VRSF 6.5" Race

For Vegas weather, i recommend the 6.5" competition with your setup.
If you are having trouble finding it on our website, please let me know and i will send you a link
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I'm aware the new VRSF 5" intercooler I have is in between their old 5" and 6.5" . VRSF commented saying there are 3 offered but I only see 2.
https://www.vr-speed.com/vrsf-interc...i-n20-n55.html

I don't plan to upgrade turbo, but do plan to run bm3 stage1 but would I still be sufficient enough to run stage2 even tho it's not a 6"+ intercooler? I was concerned with turbo lag with bigger intercooler and didn't really want to push for stage 2 but having the option to qualify with my VRSF 5" Stepped HD would be advantageous. (I don't track car but do pretty aggressive street and highway driving in vegas)

Also all this concern about turbo lag can be negated with a simple tune instead of upgrading turbo inlets?


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I'm aware the new VRSF 5" intercooler I have is in between their old 5" and 6.5" . VRSF commented saying there are 3 offered but I only see 2.
https://www.vr-speed.com/vrsf-interc...i-n20-n55.html

I don't plan to upgrade turbo, but do plan to run bm3 stage1 but would I still be sufficient enough to run stage2 even tho it's not a 6"+ intercooler? I was concerned with turbo lag with bigger intercooler and didn't really want to push for stage 2 but having the option to qualify with my VRSF 5" Stepped HD would be advantageous. (I don't track car but do pretty aggressive street and highway driving in vegas)

Also all this concern about turbo lag can be negated with a simple tune instead of upgrading turbo inlets?
here are the 3 options:
1- VRSF 5" intercooler
2- VRSF 6.5" Competition
3- VRSF 6.5" Race

For Vegas weather, i recommend the 6.5" competition with your setup.
If you are having trouble finding it on our website, please let me know and i will send you a link
I think I'm gonna just run stage 1 since I only got the 5" intercooler and maybe try stage 2 during winter only.

One thing I noticed is there might be a slight slight turbo lag. I noticed the early rpm (over boost when WOT) instant pull isn't as instant and saves it for the mid range and upper pull to be longer is where I feel the difference from stock. Will need to experiment more as I only had it for a day but I'm thinking bm3 stage 1 should make a improvement on this.
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Couple of queries re the wagner evo 2 competition ic - I've read that it might need some cutting to fit - is this always the case? And which parts need to be cut?

Also, after this cutting, can the stock ic be refitted if required?

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Couple of queries re the wagner evo 2 competition ic - I've read that it might need some cutting to fit - is this always the case? And which parts need to be cut?

Also, after this cutting, can the stock ic be refitted if required?

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No cutting needed.
Stock can be refitted at any time
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      10-15-2019, 01:24 PM   #358
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Couple of queries re the wagner evo 2 competition ic - I've read that it might need some cutting to fit - is this always the case? And which parts need to be cut?

Also, after this cutting, can the stock ic be refitted if required?

Cheers.
No cutting required, but I heard it was a tight fit.
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Couple of queries re the wagner evo 2 competition ic - I've read that it might need some cutting to fit - is this always the case? And which parts need to be cut?

Also, after this cutting, can the stock ic be refitted if required?

Cheers.
No cutting needed.
Stock can be refitted at any time
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Couple of queries re the wagner evo 2 competition ic - I've read that it might need some cutting to fit - is this always the case? And which parts need to be cut?

Also, after this cutting, can the stock ic be refitted if required?

Cheers.
No cutting required, but I heard it was a tight fit.
Thanks!
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No cutting required, but I heard it was a tight fit.
I had my Wagner EvoII competition installed by a workshop and when I got home from picking it up I noticed there was some paint missing on the front of the intercooler where the diagonal braces are located. I thought it may have been rubbing, but when I spoke to the guys at the shop and they mentioned it was a really tight fit when installing it from underneath the car.
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Looking to go FBO on my 2007 335i e90 AT. currently running vrsf catless dp's and a stage 2 MRD tune. Was looking at picking up a vrsf 7.5" race IC as well as their charge pipe and tial BOV. My local shop (tyspeed) is trying to steer me in the direction of CSF but i'm weary of their recommendation because i see from their instagram that they have recently acquired a sponsorship with them. My two main questions are, is the 7.5" race overkill? I am looking to do upgraded turbos down the road in another year or so. Should i be looking at the 7.5" competition instead or a smaller FMIC all together? Second question is i asked the guys at my local shops about doing inlets and/or outlets and they said i should be doing them along with my turbo upgrade in the future. I figured less trips and less tear downs would get me the best price. Please advise!!!
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Looking to go FBO on my 2007 335i e90 AT. currently running vrsf catless dp's and a stage 2 MRD tune. Was looking at picking up a vrsf 7.5" race IC as well as their charge pipe and tial BOV. My local shop (tyspeed) is trying to steer me in the direction of CSF but i'm weary of their recommendation because i see from their instagram that they have recently acquired a sponsorship with them. My two main questions are, is the 7.5" race overkill? I am looking to do upgraded turbos down the road in another year or so. Should i be looking at the 7.5" competition instead or a smaller FMIC all together? Second question is i asked the guys at my local shops about doing inlets and/or outlets and they said i should be doing them along with my turbo upgrade in the future. I figured less trips and less tear downs would get me the best price. Please advise!!!

CSF has phone support if you ever need it and they make quality products. VRSF has e-mail support only and you're at their mercy if you have a question or problem. CSF has rounded tubes for better air flow and VSRF's are traditionally flat. the 7.5" VSRF will require modification or removal of the front cross brace. No matter who you buy from contact the manufacturer and be sure that they're a factory authorized seller in case you ever have issues.
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CSF has phone support if you ever need it and they make quality products. VRSF has e-mail support only and you're at their mercy if you have a question or problem. CSF has rounded tubes for better air flow and VSRF's are traditionally flat. the 7.5" VSRF will require modification or removal of the front cross brace. No matter who you buy from contact the manufacturer and be sure that they're a factory authorized seller in case you ever have issues.
I will likely have my shop make the purchase for me. Im not too worried about what needs to be cut off to make it fit just more so if the 7.5 race is overkill or if the 7.5 comp would better suit me. Still curious on the other points about inlets and outlets as well! Thanks!

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I will likely have my shop make the purchase for me. Im not too worried about what needs to be cut off to make it fit just more so if the 7.5 race is overkill or if the 7.5 comp would better suit me. Still curious on the other points about inlets and outlets as well! Thanks!
The larger the intercooler the better chance for lag. Discuss this with your installers.
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The larger the intercooler the better chance for lag. Discuss this with your installers.
Like I said originally, my installer is encouraging me to go the CSF route because they have a sponsorship with them. I dont want to be pushed into something because of their business relationship. Im leaning towards the vsrf FMIC from the research due to the research Ive done. Because of that they wont advise me on anything VRSF FMIC related because they want me to go another route.
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CSF makes a good product. Can't go wrong there.
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There seems to be a new kid on the block:
Wagner Tuning 7" Stepped Intercooler EVO III

https://www.wagner-tuningshop.de/pro...200001144.html

Seems like a beast. Time to write add on my wish list to Santa...
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There seems to be a new kid on the block:
Wagner Tuning 7" Stepped Intercooler EVO III

https://www.wagner-tuningshop.de/pro...200001144.html

Seems like a beast. Time to write add on my wish list to Santa...

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So I'm sure this question comes up a lot but I'm looking for the right intercooler for my application.

2017 M2 with MPE, currently stock. IN the near future I'll be upgrading my downpipe to high flow cat and I'll be getting a BM3 tune. I'm not planning on turbo or fueling upgrades.

I'm more interested in minimizing turbo lag than maxing out power gains. What intercooler would you recommend for mainly street use?
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So I'm sure this question comes up a lot but I'm looking for the right intercooler for my application.

2017 M2 with MPE, currently stock. IN the near future I'll be upgrading my downpipe to high flow cat and I'll be getting a BM3 tune. I'm not planning on turbo or fueling upgrades.

I'm more interested in minimizing turbo lag than maxing out power gains. What intercooler would you recommend for mainly street use?
Hi,
I recommend a 6-6.5" intercooler for the best balance between low IAT and pressure air drop.

Lots of good options including Wagner EVO II, VRSF 6.5" Competition & CSF
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So I'm sure this question comes up a lot but I'm looking for the right intercooler for my application.

2017 M2 with MPE, currently stock. IN the near future I'll be upgrading my downpipe to high flow cat and I'll be getting a BM3 tune. I'm not planning on turbo or fueling upgrades.

I'm more interested in minimizing turbo lag than maxing out power gains. What intercooler would you recommend for mainly street use?
I really like the Wagner Evo 2 Competition. It had minimal lag. The Evo 1 comp is smaller and should have even less lag. Some cheaper intercoolers are a design (bar and plate?) that generally adds more lag, but heat soaks slower. Tube and fin designs are less lag and cool down faster, but heat soak quicker, and more expensive.
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I really like the Wagner Evo 2 Competition. It had minimal lag. The Evo 1 comp is smaller and should have even less lag. Some cheaper intercoolers are a design (bar and plate?) that generally adds more lag, but heat soaks slower. Tube and fin designs are less lag and cool down faster, but heat soak quicker, and more expensive.
Is Wagner Evo 2 Competition a Tube and Fin design? Did it install with any issues? What mods are on your engine?
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