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      08-12-2019, 11:00 AM   #309
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Would Wagner Competition 1 be overkill for a stock-tune daily driver that does 1-2 track days a year? The most I would go mod-wise is a catted DP so not sure if the VRSF 5" HD is enough. I feel CSF would be too big for my needs.
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Why is the VRSF intercooler so much cheaper than the others? It seems to have good reviews. Why would I want the Wagner EVO 2 Competition or Active Auto Works FMIC instead?
The simplest answer is the fact that we don't include an M-tax on our products. We offer a 5" Performance FMIC, a 6.5" Competition FMIC along with the best performing 6.5" Race FMIC which can support anywhere from 800 to 1000 WHP.

The benefit of offering 3 different intercoolers for this platform means you don't have to compromise by going too big or too small. We offer a solution for every customer

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Would Wagner Competition 1 be overkill for a stock-tune daily driver that does 1-2 track days a year? The most I would go mod-wise is a catted DP so not sure if the VRSF 5" HD is enough. I feel CSF would be too big for my needs.
The VRSF 5" Stepped HD will outperform the Wagner Comp 1 and is generally recommended for customers interested in sticking with the OEM turbo. If you're looking to upgrade your turbo in the future, our 6.5" Competition will outperform any of the comparably sized options at a fraction of the price.
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Would Wagner Competition 1 be overkill for a stock-tune daily driver that does 1-2 track days a year? The most I would go mod-wise is a catted DP so not sure if the VRSF 5" HD is enough. I feel CSF would be too big for my needs.
Wagner EVO I and VRSF 5" HD are both great options for a stage 1 application
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The simplest answer is the fact that we don't include an M-tax on our products. We offer a 5" Performance FMIC, a 6.5" Competition FMIC along with the best performing 6.5" Race FMIC which can support anywhere from 800 to 1000 WHP.

The benefit of offering 3 different intercoolers for this platform means you don't have to compromise by going too big or too small. We offer a solution for every customer



The VRSF 5" Stepped HD will outperform the Wagner Comp 1 and is generally recommended for customers interested in sticking with the OEM turbo. If you're looking to upgrade your turbo in the future, our 6.5" Competition will outperform any of the comparably sized options at a fraction of the price.
As a N55 owner who struggles with high IAT's on the track - can you please elaborate on what you mean by best performing? Do you have anything that shows what kind of improvement one can expect with your intercoolers? I'm not trying to be a smart ass here - it would be great to be able to see what kind of advantage your coolers offer. Quickly getting over 160* IATs on the track sucks. I already have one of your competitor's IC & it is being overwhelmed pretty quickly. We are trying something else but if that doesn't help I am working on the backup plan. Trying to limit the replacing of parts that I just purchased/installed - again
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Wagner EVO I and VRSF 5" HD are both great options for a stage 1 application
Mike, thanks.. when you say Wagner EVO 1 is good for stage 1 applications, are you talking about the performance or competition or either? I do like that the EVO 1 competition is lighter than the other options out there.
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Mike, thanks.. when you say Wagner EVO 1 is good for stage 1 applications, are you talking about the performance or competition or either? I do like that the EVO 1 competition is lighter than the other options out there.
Both, are good for stage 1
competition is the better option always. the main difference is weight and recovery time
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Has anyone had any experience with the Inter cooler from Tuner Motorsports?

Looks pretty decent and they have some first hand experience with racing BMW's...

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-5...d-intercooler/
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Some initial logs on track with complete stock compared to do88 FMIC/water/oil coolers. No tuning. Slightly different types of track AND a (visible) cut out pause in the middle of the logged session with the upgraded cooling. I will log on the exact same track on monday!
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Some initial logs on track with complete stock compared to do88 FMIC/water/oil coolers. No tuning. Slightly different types of track AND a (visible) cut out pause in the middle of the logged session with the upgraded cooling. I will log on the exact same track on monday!
Interesting logs.

Please can you let me know the responsiveness of the car with the do88 FMIC? Is there any noticeable increase in turbo lag, or is it actually more responsive?

Did you change the charge pipe also?

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No charge pipe or other changes to the car at all.

I haven't felt any differences in response or anything. That doesn't mean there could be some differences but I haven't been able to feel any so if there is it must be very small.
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No charge pipe or other changes to the car at all.

I haven't felt any differences in response or anything. That doesn't mean there could be some differences but I haven't been able to feel any so if there is it must be very small.
Cheers.

I definitely recommend doing the charge pipe - it'll give you insurance against a blow out/cracked pipe and also improve the air flow. I wasn't expecting anything, but noticed improved throttle response from the charge pipe alone.

I did try do88 charge pipe, but theyve had a batch of charge pipes released with too much paint on the throttle body end internal surface - I could not get it to go on at all - now with another brand (forge),although I wish the do88 had fitted as I could see it was going to be slightly better for max air flow.
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I picked up a do88 charge pipe yesterday :-) But neither the downpipe or charge pipe is mounted yet. I'll do one more trackday with just the upgraded cooling and then I've scheduled to get the two pipes mounted plus a stage 2 bootmod3 tune. Since I do a lot of trackdays I've refrained from tuning the car without sorting the cooling first. Looking forward to see how the car is with the stage 2 tune in a week or so :-)
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I picked up a do88 charge pipe yesterday :-) But neither the downpipe or charge pipe is mounted yet. I'll do one more trackday with just the upgraded cooling and then I've scheduled to get the two pipes mounted plus a stage 2 bootmod3 tune. Since I do a lot of trackdays I've refrained from tuning the car without sorting the cooling first. Looking forward to see how the car is with the stage 2 tune in a week or so :-)
Great. You will prob be fine, but if you do struggle with fitment, sand/wire wool off some paint inside the throttle body end, particularly if/where there is overspray where the seal goes - I didn't have enough time to do this myself as I was up against the clock, so just fitted another brand.
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I'm planning to purchase the VSRF 5'' intercooler and their charge pipe. As for the charge pipe do I need to purchase the C-clip and O-ring too?
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I'm planning to purchase the VSRF 5'' intercooler and their charge pipe. As for the charge pipe do I need to purchase the C-clip and O-ring too?
Re-use the stock ones
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Was at Mantorp Park again yesterday, here are the results
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I'm planning to purchase the VSRF 5'' intercooler and their charge pipe. As for the charge pipe do I need to purchase the C-clip and O-ring too?
Let me know how it goes with the VRSF 5" hd


people seemed to not like the original design.
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Was at Mantorp Park again yesterday, here are the results
This may sound nooby... but do you mind telling me which colored line(s) I should be looking at?
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This may sound nooby... but do you mind telling me which colored line(s) I should be looking at?

Ah!

From the top:

- oil
- water
- intake
- ambient
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Ah!

From the top:

- oil
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Nice! Decent drop in intake temps
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I'm planning to purchase the VSRF 5'' intercooler and their charge pipe. As for the charge pipe do I need to purchase the C-clip and O-ring too?
Let me know how it goes with the VRSF 5" hd


people seemed to not like the original design.

What was wrong with original design? It's currently out of stock till the 30th. Is there an updated version? I don't see it on the site.
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Was at Mantorp Park again yesterday, here are the results
Holy-moly - upgraded IC is doing its job v well esp compared to stock IC on the same circuit/similar ambient.
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