[Petrosexual]

Pondering the choice of a Dinan-tuned 235i vs the stock M2... on paper the Dinan235 handily beats the M2, especially for Torque. ...the stage-1 tuned 235 is carrying nnearly 16% less weight for each ft-lb of twist available.




I realize I would have to throw about $7000 at the 235 to equip it with the right go-fast hardware: LSD, M Perf Brake kit, Dinan tune above, and that brings it close to the M2 price, as I understand it... correctly me if I'm worng there?

Granted, the M2 will include all the proper go-fast gear as standard equipment, it will have bragging rights, and different /possibly better aesthetics.

I also recognize that Dinan & others will have tunes for M2 eventually, probably very close to the 235 numbers, since it's basically the same N55,

So, you're back to aesthetics, the much abused M badge, a significant wait, and a small weight savings arguing for the M2, vesus have-it-now for the 235.

Amusing side note: the Ferrari 458 factors in at 5.48 lb/hp, but 8.23 lb/torque...both tunes on the 235i give you more twist-per-pound than a 458 (!)

Any thoughts?

[Twix]

Not sure where that weight spec for the M2 comes from.... Do whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy. My opinion, an M235i will always be an M235i. An M2 will always be an M2. Straight line speed doesn't mean a whole lot to me, but cornering abilities do.

[den525]

If you're gonna tune and spend that much money on a m235i you may as well get a m2...

Factory warranty, better internals, no brainer

[chaddy74]

Really Common ? We are attempting to compare and talk about a car that hasn't even been launched yet !! Dinan M235i ?? Spend $1000 dollars on a nice downpipe and a JB4 tune and you will blow a Dinan tuned car off the road !

[Hazey82]

If you are even considering a m235i vs an M2 then you don't deserve a M2

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Twix

Not sure where that weight spec for the M2 comes from.... Do whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy. My opinion, an M235i will always be an M235i. An M2 will always be an M2. Straight line speed doesn't mean a whole lot to me, but cornering abilities do.

Close thread.

[Mr_Teutonic]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Close thread.

This reminds me of the time I parked my 135is next to a 1M to really compare them. Let's just say I started swearing.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by Petrosexual

Amusing side note: the Ferrari 458 factors in at 5.48 lb/hp, but 8.23 lb/torque...both tunes on the 235i give you more twist-per-pound than a 458 (!)Any thoughts?

Hmmmm. Tough choice; but, I'd go with the 458.

[Petrosexual]

Originally Posted by chaddy74

Really Common ? We are attempting to compare and talk about a car that hasn't even been launched yet !! Dinan M235i ?? Spend $1000 dollars on a nice downpipe and a JB4 tune and you will blow a Dinan tuned car off the road !

But you void your warranty in the process...

[Petrosexual]

Originally Posted by Twix

Not sure where that weight spec for the M2 comes from.... Do whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy. My opinion, an M235i will always be an M235i. An M2 will always be an M2. Straight line speed doesn't mean a whole lot to me, but cornering abilities do.

What evidence do we currnently have that the M2 will be hugely better through the corners than a 235? Meaning: more than 10% better?

The 235 handles pretty damn well; the reviews crow about it. You might exploit higher cornering limits in the M2 on a track, but on a typical canyon road?

I find that 'high cornernering limits plus substantially more power' will be FASTER up a canyon road hillclimb than a car with very high cornering limits and substantially less power. Source: 12 years of canyon driving in an M -car. I have overtaken more than one Elise despite having lower asoloute cornering limits, but more power.

The M2 has *maybe* a 10% hypothetical cornering advantage,versus a 20% power advantage.

So it comes back to exclusivity, bragging rights and aesthetics. Which are all presuasive things.

[Petrosexual]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Close thread.

not even close....

The M2 has *maybe* a 10% cornering advantage,versus a 20% power advantage. Aesthetics and bragging rights not withstanding.

[Petrosexual]

Originally Posted by Hazey82

If you are are you even considering a m235i vs an M2 then you don't deserve a M2

Have some more kool-aid... without an S-grade motor, they are basically the same car, with all the go-fast options factory- installed, plus some bodywork.

[midwest 340xi 6sp]

Originally Posted by Hazey82

If you are are you even considering a m235i vs an M2 then you don't deserve a M2

As an owner of the last 2 generation M3's, I get what you're saying. But I'm also waiting to see if the M235i vs M2 delta is a big as the M3 vs 335i M performance delta is.

The M2 is not getting an "S" designated motor, that is a big deal. The S motor is the heart of an "M" car.

Having had that M experience twice now, I can say with certainty the M235i meets 99% of my physical and emotional needs from a car. But then again, i dont track a car.

I cant wait to see if the M2 creates the need for me to move over back to "M" when this lease is up. In the interim, I'll watch with interest and let everyone else hassle with year 1 bugs and fixes...

[Gibson6594]

If I ran things here I would close this thread. Even thinking about this argument at this point is so asinine it's making my head hurt.

[auf Deutsch]

I'd like to know where that 3352 wt figure originates from.

[Spook410]

Always surprised when I see folks around here that think the M2 will offer some sort of special aura to raise ones social standing. Bear in mind that those with M3,4,5,6 view this as a significant step down. Porsche owners probably will view it as nice, but not really worthy of actual ownership. Who are you trying to impress?

And, like it or not, the M235 is probably the most significant competitor to an M2. Those with tuned M235's will likely enjoy their cars as much as those with M2's which is all that really matters because they enjoy that surge of power and like participating in the modding world.

So, why don't I get a tuned M235 instead of waiting? First I wouldn't bother tuning an M235 except for the LSD. It has more than enough power already and the dynamics are adequate for a car this side of a Cayman. The main thing I would fix, the steering, isn't among any of the choices. And waiting for the M2? Because I think it will be a car that is the sum of BMW tuning to make it a complete and balanced package of power and handling that will make it a blast to drive. Something you can't achieve without the engineering and tools available to BMW. And I'm hoping it will be lighter. And I'm hoping the steering will be a bit better tuned (yea.. I can dream).

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

If I ran things here I would close this thread. Even thinking about this argument at this point is so asinine it's making my head hurt.

no doubt.

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

If I ran things here I would close this thread. Even thinking about this argument at this point is so asinine it's making my head hurt.

Originally Posted by Hazey82

If you are are you even considering a m235i vs an M2 then you don't deserve a M2

I don't understand the hate. Why is it an unreasonable question? You could just move along if you don't like it.....

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by sgrinavi

I don't understand the hate. Why is it an unreasonable question? You could just move along if you don't like it.....

You don't understand why comparing a heavily modified car to an unreleased one that has had zero factual data disclosed about it yet is unreasonable?

I could move along, or I could reiterate the amount of nonsense this thread is at this time. At least wait until we know the horse power figures before pulling these threads.

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by Gibson6594

You don't understand why comparing a heavily modified car to an unreleased one that has had zero factual data disclosed about it yet is unreasonable?

I could move along, or I could reiterate the amount of nonsense this thread is at this time. At least wait until we know the horse power figures before pulling these threads.

You mean as opposed to all the other speculation around here? That's the point of this sub-forum. People spend hours arguing about the shape of the front air intakes, but you're going to give a guy a boat-load of crap because his flavor of, what is pretty reasonable, speculation.?

[Gibson6594]

Originally Posted by sgrinavi

You mean as opposed to all the other speculation around here? That's the point of this sub-forum. People spend hours arguing about the shape of the front air intakes, but you're going to give a guy a boat-load of crap because his flavor of, what is pretty reasonable, speculation.?

Apples and oranges. But if it makes you happy, knock yourself out.

[OG///M]

Just gonna say this. Since it's hard to compare a tuned M235i to SPECULATED M2 specs, look to the overall comparison (not just power numbers) between a tuned 135i and a 1M... think about that for a while and you'll have your answer.