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      06-23-2020, 08:15 AM   #2201
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Is it me or the 718 GTS looked like a lot more fun (playfull), probably because of the tires..
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      06-23-2020, 08:16 AM   #2202
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I agree that the M2CS is a special car mainly due to its limited nature and added M performance goodies as standard. But just to put it in perspective, if you want a special car that is truly special in terms of build, you can argue the Subaru STI S209 as much more special than the CS (styling and brand prestige aside). Check out Savagegeese's review of this incredible "hand assembled" STI, limited to 209 units. Disclaimer, I'm not even a STI fan, but I am a fan of engineering and craftsmanship.

I bring this up because the definition of the best variation, limited edition and quality of assembly has a wide spectrum of definitions. It just depends what you value more. For me personally, I think something hand assembled to exacting tolerances really add something additional to the traditional mass market builds. And all in, it's hard to find a car built in these exacting standards for $70K.




Side bar - not sure why there is such intense aversion to the 4 cylinder 718s. Objectively, it beats out the previous 6 cylinder in every way. Also, new "enthusiasts" who do not have cylinder bias or are Porsche fanboys seem to enjoy the 4 cylinder when given some seat time to actually drive it.

However, you can effectively argue that you may have a better overall driving experience with the 6 cylinder, mainly due to better aural attributes. But this is key, because you're talking about experience and not judging by objective metrics, such as lap times, 0-60, skid pad, etc. Again I bring this up because some argue the CS is "better" and worth $XX because it is faster on the ring, etc. Yes, objectively speaking it is better than the C. But in terms of driving experience, there may not be a large gap between a C and CS.

It's pretty easy for car brands to make a fast car these days and in the future. Especially in the era of electric vehicles. However, it is much harder to build a car that harnesses the great driving experience. The intangibles, the sound, the feel of the shifter, clutch, etc.
That's a special Subaru, loved that review.

People lament BMW but they are still building small, RWD, 6 cylinder coupes in a sea of bland 4 cylinder turbo's. Although in my dream world there are no emissions standards, and the S55 is a bored and stroked 3.6L S54 with direct injection, an 8K RPM redline and 400HP.
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      06-23-2020, 08:53 AM   #2203
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Is it me or the 718 GTS looked like a lot more fun (playfull), probably because of the tires..
Interesting take - my thought was after all the comments about the CS being potentially too much of a "handful" it was good to see it not taking a lot of inputs etc. Seeing the Porsche requiring more correction etc made me feel like the CS can be run very tidy if needed. Seems like you can run a variety of "personalities" with the CS depending on what you want out of it, or how you drive it.
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      06-23-2020, 10:04 AM   #2204
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Interesting take - my thought was after all the comments about the CS being potentially too much of a "handful" it was good to see it not taking a lot of inputs etc. Seeing the Porsche requiring more correction etc made me feel like the CS can be run very tidy if needed. Seems like you can run a variety of "personalities" with the CS depending on what you want out of it, or how you drive it.
I agree with this. I was expecting to see really active hands, and it's been much smoother than expected. Really quite good in my opinion.
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I agree with this. I was expecting to see really active hands, and it's been much smoother than expected. Really quite good in my opinion.
I think at some point we have to realize that with sub 300 width tires, and over 400 hp to just the rear tires, the right foot WILL dominate the cornering behavior of the rear end on any car that has the electronics shut off. Full stop.

The shorter the wheelbase, the faster things happen as well. Those two things are pretty immutable. Now, how sensitive the throttle is, how the power is delivered etc, will determine how controllable that rear end will be, but it doesn't change that the rear is going to be a slave to the throttle.
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If track times are really so important, then there is really only one comparison to be had . . . throw some Cup 2 tires on an M2C and on same day with same driver, and let them have at it.

Is that going to influence anyone not making a living racing cars to go with the M2CS over M2C, or vice versa? I know your stance on this whole M2CS vs M2C matter and am in agreement with you.

It is a simple $25K question. . .

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This ∆. I would like to see track a comparison like that. That would be stock for stock since the M2C can be purchased with Cup2s as well. Of course adding a $550. M4 CS flash tune would be an interesting variable but I guess would be cheating if comparing stock for stock.
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I would love to have that CF roof. Loosing 20 pound off of the roof is always a good thing. I do have a question about the durability of CF roofs given that they are coated with resin. If you are lucky to have the car always garaged that's great. What happens when the CF roof is exposed to FL or AZ sun on a daily basis with bird droppings sprinkled in? Is the resin as durable as paint after 20 years?
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I would love to have that CF roof. Loosing 20 pound off of the roof is always a good thing. I do have a question about the durability of CF roofs given that they are coated with resin. If you are lucky to have the car always garaged that's great. What happens when the CF roof is exposed to FL or AZ sun on a daily basis with bird droppings sprinkled in? Is the resin as durable as paint after 20 years?
An xpel or 3m clear wrap is not too expensive.
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I think at some point we have to realize that with sub 300 width tires, and over 400 hp to just the rear tires, the right foot WILL dominate the cornering behavior of the rear end on any car that has the electronics shut off. Full stop.

The shorter the wheelbase, the faster things happen as well. Those two things are pretty immutable. Now, how sensitive the throttle is, how the power is delivered etc, will determine how controllable that rear end will be, but it doesn't change that the rear is going to be a slave to the throttle.
I had a 93 miata that was pushing right at 300hp to the rear wheels. No nannies and brilliantly fun to throttle steer. 2400lbs with 195 size re11 tires. I will say the communication through the seat and steering wheel seemed telepathic so the car was always predictable. The point is that the CS or a modded C shouldn't be too much of a handful of you take your time to learn the car. I would start with nannies off at a slower pace to learn the car. Then there will be fewer surprises later.

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Are US allocations due in July?
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Interesting take - my thought was after all the comments about the CS being potentially too much of a "handful" it was good to see it not taking a lot of inputs etc. Seeing the Porsche requiring more correction etc made me feel like the CS can be run very tidy if needed. Seems like you can run a variety of "personalities" with the CS depending on what you want out of it, or how you drive it.
The M2C is super tidy and very controllable, communicative. It rewards smooth inputs that allow you to put it right on the limit and hold it there, etc; at the same time if you want to play rough, lose time through a lap and throw the tail out, it's very easy and controllable. This is on RE71Rs I have for autox/track, but here's an example of both extremes from a few months ago at the proving grounds autocross. I love this car.
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Are US allocations due in July?
That's a good question. Who knows?
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Supposed to be July and August at latest.

I've finally decided to go black with gold wheels after much debate and wanting to love Misano blue. I just can't sem to get on board. I think the black is stellar with black wheels and sold wheels. I need a bit of flare, so going with gold. I figure I could always change the gold color, but it might be more difficult to go the other direction.

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Supposed to be July and August at latest.

I've finally decided to go black with gold wheels after much debate and wanting to love Misano blue. I just can't sem to get on board. I think the black is stellar with black wheels and sold wheels. I need a bit of flare, so going with gold. I figure I could always change the gold color, but it might be more difficult to go the other direction.

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Why do think this is your officially unofficial color choices? 🤣🤣🤣

Interesting that the OP in link you referenced expected PS4S and got PSS. Not the end of the world, but I definitely prefer PS4S over PSS

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Why do think this is your officially unofficial color choices? 🤣🤣🤣

Interesting that the OP in link you referenced expected PS4S and got PSS. Not the end of the world, but I definitely prefer PS4S over PSS

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I just wanted to troll you into a response I'm tired of changing my mind. Ok, so wheel color may not be set, but pretty set on black. I think the tire selection is pretty clear about the PSS or cup2. I'm definitely getting a set of cup2s with the car and probably ordering a set of PS4S to go on when it arrives. Yes, I am that guy who would order a new set of tires just to be able to play with the Michelin track connect. Once the novelty wears off just stick with the PS4S

I actually might see about playing with tire pressure in colder weather to see how they heat up.
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. . . so wheel color may not be set, but pretty set on black. . .
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So you are telling me there is still a chance . . . HS with black wheels.

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. . . so wheel color may not be set, but pretty set on black. . .
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So you are telling me there is still a chance . . . HS with black wheels.

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HS with black wheels would be my choice if I decided to replace my M2C with the CS. I know there's a lot of HS out there, but I absolutely love the color. And as my daily Golf R is black, I really really don't want another black car haha I love how it looks for about 3-5 minutes after a wash
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Howdy, I've just signed up having booked in for an M2cs here in HK to check out the lay of the land.
Wow. I've learnt a lot about buying to sell; porsches; bmw diy and cow udders!
So for my first post here I can peg some Hong Kong m2cs numbers your way:

HK allocation (according to my sales fella) : 5
HK price : 1498000 hkd (790930 ex tax)

All HK m's are Euro-spec as far as I know.
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Howdy, I've just signed up having booked in for an M2cs here in HK to check out the lay of the land.
Wow. I've learnt a lot about buying to sell; porsches; bmw diy and cow udders!
So for my first post here I can peg some Hong Kong m2cs numbers your way:

HK allocation (according to my sales fella) : 5
HK price : 1498000 hkd (790930 ex tax)

All HK m's are Euro-spec as far as I know.
Yep Euro-spec with RHD and no OPF

Wow, that's approximately 200,000 USD?
AU price is : $160,000 (incl tax/on road) AUD (approx 110,000 USD).

Looks like we actually get it pretty good over here in comparison
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