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I am not sure I agree with Robin here. I don't have PSS to test myself so I can't confirm, but I think the issue is more nuanced than just saying that PSS are fine when it's cold as long as it's dry.
My own experience with Bridgestone S04 Pole Position (PSS competitor) is that they lose grip rapidly below 50F. It may be different among different tires in the category, but as richb811 pointed out, the compound is actually harder than the winter tires at low temp. At some point, summer tires are going to have an abrupt transition from OK to awful - when they pass their glass transition temperature. https://mobiloil.com/en/article/trav...ires-in-winter "Get them cold enough and every tire will have the grip of a Formica kitchen counter. For a race tire, it might be 40 Fahrenheit. For a winter tire it could be 60 degrees below zero. Summer tire tread starts becoming Formica-like somewhere just below freezing. Most all-season tires are still pliable below zero, but some "ultra-high-performance all-season" tires start losing grip well before that." There is probably some range of temperatures where the two tires are very close in performance. Certainly if you are at 0 C you will be better off with the performance winter or all season tire. Above that it may depend on the specific tire. Without test data, only Michelin knows exactly. |
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Guys, I think I have the perfect solution to this conundrum. You all need to move here to California. It's 10/28/18, and today it was bright, sunny, and 74-degrees out. You NEVER need winter tires, man! The only time you possibly have to drive carefully is on the 2 or 3 occasions it rains each year. And even then, just do as cntzl suggests: get wider tires for more traction (265/30/19 front and 295/30/19 rear) and continue to drive like a hooligan! Now, the only potential downside to this plan is that upon entering the state, you're required to trade in all your normal clothing for a Maoist People's Republic of California uniform. But, you know, living under a totalitarian regime is a small price to pay for awesome driving weather, right? |
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10-29-2018, 12:39 AM | #113 |
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The new Z4 clearly is a fantastic handling car but noticeably slower off the line vs the OG M2.
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10-29-2018, 12:04 PM | #114 |
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Yeah I can keep up with bad drivers of the F80 M3 no problem in my 135i. However, a well driven M3 is far to fast. I have no doubt the comp M2 is capable of more than the M2 base.
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Once I was traveling in an "other" state where I was pulled over by a state trooper on the highway for going 4 miles per hour over the speed limit. I hadn't seen a European car on the road for several hours. The trooper looked over my BMW and said to me "you really should buy American". I think I'll stay in CA! |
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Seems like the M2C is the more mature car now. Matches short track times, but pulls away on the bigger tracks. |
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Both are fantastic cars to own. |
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Have you even listen to M2 Comp? It doesn't have everything better. I do love that musical sound of N55 engine. S55 sounds like there is ALWAYS resonating something by mistake. If someone tells me M2 is slow, then sure, goodbye fun cars, go bye RS6 and heavily tune it. If you want anything agile and fun to drive, you just can't say its ok to have 10 percent more horspower but more heavy weight Even though, enjoy your M2C.
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I have a great idea for CS/CSL - add another 100kg and 100hp, job done.
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Since the launch of M2 Comp the internet was full with discussions about that issue. You have to do it with my sarcastic statement in my former post. You don't/ won't feel the weight difference. Turn in is even sharper so what's the point in discussing this so called issue over and over again. Cheers Robin |
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However, physically, the weight penalty is still there especially on front end, always holding you back a few tenths. No doubt about it. With OG, you really need to load F87C chassis software and add power to feel the weight advantage.
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It's more about where the weight is positioned! The M2C doesn't have the extra weight of the front mount intercooler in the front so at the very front of the car there is actually more weight on the OG M2. The oil cooler has also been relocated on the M2C to the bottom of the car facing downwards so possibly resulting in a lower centre of gravity... |
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