[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

Yet another M2 vs M2C thread. Who says we aren't a country divided? Reminds me of the F8x vs E9x endless banter a few years ago.

They are both great.

The M2C is simply new and improved.

[norMcal]

Originally Posted by D22M2

^ lol ...give it up man… M2c is a great(awesome, superb, fast, dope, sick, spectacular) car, but just slightly more so over the M2 - and that’s ok - trust me - all’s well in the M world

I hope I don’t find it necessary to act like some of you m2c owners when mine arrives

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Temp plays a HUGE difference in lap time.

For the Hockenheim test, asphalt temperature was recorded as 41 degree Celsius for the M2C trial and 13 degree Celsius for the M2 trial. This means the M2C has less grip to work.

Ambient temp was recorded as 28 degree Celsius for the M2C vs 9 degree Celsius for the M2. The S55 didn't get the same air density as the N55 during the trail as cooler air increases air density thus more oxygen which means more power. The S55 was at a disadvantage.

On the same day with both cars running the M2C will clock faster time for sure.

I have no horse in the race and can tell from personal experience that this sort of temperature difference will be good for a couple of seconds on a 3 mile track.

So while I like that the OG M2 is very capable, I have to believe that the M2C will be faster, if they both ran on the same day. Especially on a hot day, where the cooling is probably better on the M2C and the M2 will get heat soaked.

[carl44]

Both nice cars but the M2C isn't that different. Not surprised that on a short track the OG is just as fast. It weighs 110lb less and has better low end snap.carl

[vladberca]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Z4M coupe with S58, sign me up.

It would be interesting to see such a model against TTRS / Cayman S or even GTS 😎

[themnmd]

splitting hairs a bit aren't we?
Assuming weather is equal M2C would be slightly quicker all around due to bhp, suspension and weight . both are very nice cars. arguably the 2 best M cars

Rob

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by JacobBMW14

Overtime the M2C will be the more sought after and valuable M2. Given the current M cars available both now and the past few years, the M2 is the small compact sports car most of us really want in an M car. The S55 engine is easily tunable if you fancy that and will attract more buyers later down the road.

10 years from now a buyer will be searching for M2C’s but will have to weed out all the cheap M2’s that keep crowding his search list.

If I had an M2 I’d trying selling it yesterday.

[VCP]

Originally Posted by JacobBMW14

Overtime the M2C will be the more sought after and valuable M2. Given the current M cars available both now and the past few years, the M2 is the small compact sports car most of us really want in an M car. The S55 engine is easily tunable if you fancy that and will attract more buyers later down the road.

10 years from now a buyer will be searching for M2C’s but will have to weed out all the cheap M2’s that keep crowding his search list.

If I had an M2 I’d trying selling it yesterday.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Temp plays a HUGE difference in lap time.

For the Hockenheim test, asphalt temperature was recorded as 41 degree Celsius for the M2C trial and 13 degree Celsius for the M2 trial. This means the M2C has less grip to work.

Ambient temp was recorded as 28 degree Celsius for the M2C vs 9 degree Celsius for the M2. The S55 didn't get the same air density as the N55 during the trail as cooler air increases air density thus more oxygen which means more power. The S55 was at a disadvantage.

On the same day with both cars running the M2C will clock faster time for sure.

13 degrees Celsius is a terrible temperature for PSS tires. Terrible! 41 degrees is a little on the hot side but you will get better grip than at 13 degrees where these tires break loose at moderate speeds.

[pruettfan]

Originally Posted by JacobBMW14

Overtime the M2C will be the more sought after and valuable M2. Given the current M cars available both now and the past few years, the M2 is the small compact sports car most of us really want in an M car. The S55 engine is easily tunable if you fancy that and will attract more buyers later down the road.

10 years from now a buyer will be searching for M2C’s but will have to weed out all the cheap M2’s that keep crowding his search list.

If I had an M2 I’d trying selling it yesterday.

Maybe I should take advice from a total stranger and sell my car ASAP, after all it will be worthless in 10 years apparently.

I think I will pass and enjoy the car I have.

Thanks though

[GerardzM]

Originally Posted by JacobBMW14

Overtime the M2C will be the more sought after and valuable M2. Given the current M cars available both now and the past few years, the M2 is the small compact sports car most of us really want in an M car. The S55 engine is easily tunable if you fancy that and will attract more buyers later down the road.

10 years from now a buyer will be searching for M2C’s but will have to weed out all the cheap M2’s that keep crowding his search list.

If I had an M2 I’d trying selling it yesterday.

You don't own an M2?

[termigni]

Originally Posted by JacobBMW14

Overtime the M2C will be the more sought after and valuable M2. Given the current M cars available both now and the past few years, the M2 is the small compact sports car most of us really want in an M car. The S55 engine is easily tunable if you fancy that and will attract more buyers later down the road.

10 years from now a buyer will be searching for M2C’s but will have to weed out all the cheap M2’s that keep crowding his search list.

If I had an M2 I’d trying selling it yesterday.

hahahaha! and us M2 owners urgently have to listen to this guy who owns a 1998 328i.

[JacobBMW14]

Originally Posted by GerardzM

You don't own an M2?

I own a HS, manual. Bought it first week of September.. just haven’t bothered updating my bio. And the attached feature will not allow me to post pictures.

I’ve also owned an e30 323, e36 M3 (1998), 98 323is which was my daily driver for the past 5 years, Porsche 944 turbos. And those 951s are going up up and up... shame those 944 n/a’s arent doing the same. I think the same implies with the M2/M2C. Problem is we M2C (twin turbo S55 engine) owners currently, have to share the same M2 Blog section.. for now. The M2C puts up better lap times than the M2 even with the weather favoring the M2.

My point was why bother with the M2 when you can have the M2C which, let’s be honest was supposed to be the M2 all along. A true M car the M2 is not..an awesome BMW coupe sport car the M2 was.

[heavyD^2]

LOL at some of these posts. I've been a part of Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Ford, Dodge, VW, etc. car forums over the decades owning almost every brand of car but I thought BMW forums would be a bit more mature with less trolling. I suppose I was wrong.

[raysspl]

Good to know & in many ways, not surprising to hear

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by JacobBMW14

Overtime the M2C will be the more sought after and valuable M2. Given the current M cars available both now and the past few years, the M2 is the small compact sports car most of us really want in an M car. The S55 engine is easily tunable if you fancy that and will attract more buyers later down the road.

10 years from now a buyer will be searching for M2C’s but will have to weed out all the cheap M2’s that keep crowding his search list.

If I had an M2 I’d trying selling it yesterday.

To get what? A +$60k car with marginal improvements mostly evident on track days? The M2 is just fine as it is, IMO. These are not collectible stamps, you drive these things and the M2/N55 combo, might be the better overall streetcar for many.
Not trying to be combative with you, but you are maybe being a little harsh on the OG. YMMV as always.

[M2Cmtl]

Of course the new version is better buts it’s not a night and day difference. I really prefer the M2C, but I’m seeing really good deals on new OG M2s around here. Easily 10-21k less than an M2C, not sure if the upgrades are worth that!

[JacobBMW14]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

To get what? A +$60k car with marginal improvements mostly evident on track days? The M2 is just fine as it is, IMO. These are not collectible stamps, you drive these things and the M2/N55 combo, might be the better overall streetcar for many.
Not trying to be combative with you, but you are maybe being a little harsh on the OG. YMMV as always.

You are incorrect and trying to spin to favor your argument the M2 is better. FACT, the M2C is $58,900 and depending on which state you buy the car, taxes can vary greatly so you only use base price in which case the M2C is not a “+$60k” car.

I’m saying the M2C is better in every way and to see M2 owners try to pick apart and degrade the respect of the M2C is sad. I almost bought the M2 but heard rumors of the M2C and called their bluff. The wait was well worth it.. my commute to work is much more amusing... can hardly keep the backend down in 3rd/4th year through the curvy ramp onto I526. Mini rocket ship!

[magha]

wow this thread just went downhill! both cars are great in their own rights. personally the LCI FTW LOL!
not only coz i own one coz it sounds fucking better and doesn't have a teeeeet for a muffler

[Io]

After a bunch of press reviews stating that the M2C was much more performant than the OG M2, 'the M2 as it should have been from the start', or even 'finally a real M-car', it is interesting to note that a more subtle picture is gradually emerging: http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel5975-7280.htm

[SeanWRT]

Let's be honest. Power makes a huge difference when getting put down which certainly is the case of F87 with 400hp or less on track. As an OG owner, I'll go ahead and admit C would be 1s quicker running back to back around this particular circuit where I see WOT for high % of time.

Keep in mind OG owner - in factory rating C is only 0.1s quicker in 0-60mph, because of limited traction, not because of the more torquey low down OG seems to have. On track, warmed up PSS easily handles OG stock power on 2nd gear, even on 1st. As a result OG would be losing 0.5-1s every time just revving thru 2nd-3rd gear.

You can argue all day how 110lbs extra weight slows C down everywhere especially in corner, but more often these days when we take modern line (brake late, trading entry speed for earlier getting back on gas) in cornering, grip and horsepower really rules.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by D22M2

^ lol ...give it up man… M2c is a great(awesome, superb, fast, dope, sick, spectacular) car, but just slightly more so over the M2 - and that’s ok - trust me - all’s well in the M world

I hope I don’t find it necessary to act like some of you m2c owners when mine arrives

[The Choosey begger]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

The text with the 1:12.2 Hockenheim Short lap says this more or less:


The OG M2 had literally the best outside and tarmac temps to deal with, given the 1:12.2

M2C had to deal with very high outside and tarmac temperatures.
He is not exaggerating when he says in ideal temps/ circumstances the M2C would have gone certainly 1s faster around that track.

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FWIW



Cheers
Robin

Both cars were tested with the same tires? Just curious