Active Sound Design (ASD) topics

M Fifty · 12-22-2018, 06:58 AM

I went for the "hifi' rather than HK stereo (so I do have a separate amp in addition to the ASD module, but it isn't an HK one), so pulling the fuse seems to do the trick.

DanG · 12-22-2018, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MagnusT

With the radio/stereo still working!!??

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Originally Posted by M Fifty

I went for the "hifi' rather than HK stereo (so I do have a separate amp in addition to the ASD module, but it isn't an HK one), so pulling the fuse seems to do the trick.

No. The HK is also a separate amp.

M Fifty · 12-22-2018, 01:29 PM

Yes. I know. Which is why I mentioned it...

Randomdude · 12-29-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MagnusT

Converted a PNPTechnic harness so I can turn ASD on and off via a switch or via bluetooth from my phone.

A lot of cables to fiddle around with...

That's pretty bad-ass! If only we could do something like that for rev-match...

ecitizen · 01-20-2019, 05:21 PM

I need to unplug and plug back in the ASD cable so is there an easy way to get to it without too much trouble? I have a 2018 M2.

orangeglim · 01-20-2019, 05:25 PM

This thread should give you an idea of how to do it:
https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1202389

I did it on my M235i. I never removed the weather stripping around the trunk, it's possible to get the back plate off without doing that step.

ecitizen · 01-20-2019, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by orangeglim

This thread should give you an idea of how to do it:
https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1202389

I did it on my M235i. I never removed the weather stripping around the trunk, it's possible to get the back plate off without doing that step.

Thanks, helpful.

LuvMyE92 · 02-15-2019, 08:04 AM

My car has had a series of visits to the dealer to resolve nav/iDrive/USB issues, which are all fixed now. However, nearly every time they do something to the car that involves loading software, they wipe out my personalized settings that I did with Bimmercode. And so I do it again, including disabling the ASD.

I have the M-sport exhaust, factory/port installed.

My point is, I can't tell the difference. Maybe it's because the car is so freakin' loud, that it doesn't matter if ASD is on, or maybe because I'm old and deaf.

Or it's possible that I'm doing it wrong. But it's just that one setting, correct?

Poochie · 02-15-2019, 08:29 AM

ASD is not as bad as people make it out to be. Folks here treat it like chopped liver when you can barely hear it over the vehicle's other natural acoustics i.e. road noise and exhaust drone.

It adds a subtle resounding bass to the interior but you really don't notice it because of how the loud the M2 already is. It's like complaining about getting your hair wet when you're already swimming in the ocean.. So to speak..

Check out the article below and I'll give you a better perspective on how it's implemented in the M2.

#TeamFakeNoise

https://www.bmwblog.com/2016/06/16/v...-sound-design/

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/b...-m4-81872.html

DanG · 02-15-2019, 08:41 AM

ASD was quite intrusive in my M2. I used the ASD bypass harness just for the reasons you said. Any software update wipes out your coding changes.

LuvMyE92 · 02-15-2019, 10:05 AM

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ASD is not as bad as people make it out to be. . . . Check out the article below...

Thanks for the links and sharing your opinion. Nice to know that I'm not the only one.

RAM_F30_F87 · 02-15-2019, 01:56 PM

In the summer of 2016 while my M2 was crossing the ocean, I bought the bypass harness based upon discussions in the forum, but never installed it since the ASD doesn't bother me for the type of driving I do.
https://technicpnp.com/#products

QM · 02-15-2019, 02:25 PM

I recently turned off ASD with BimmerCode after getting the Remus exhaust. You are right that it's not a night and day difference, at least with an aftermarket exhaust (I also have a FB dp). However I can definitely tell it's off. The best evidence is below 3k rpm there is no longer a fake booming noise at low throttle. At or above 3k the sound is largely unchanged vs with ASD. Also, your stereo will sound much better with ASD off - improves base and highs as well and sounds louder at lower volumes.
I was pleasantly surprised that the car still makes a majority of the previous noises but in a more natural manner.

AndrewC1989 · 02-15-2019, 02:40 PM

Everyone's ears will have different sensitivities to different frequencies. I have a sport cat and a valved exhaust that is loud as hell and it doesn't bother me at all, but for some reason I found ASD to be super bothersome, like to the point that would give me headaches. I can only imagine that's what tinnitus feels like. It was a massive relief to get a bypass harness and finally get rid of it for good.

qnet · 02-15-2019, 08:24 PM

I just coded off ASD after having an adapter and the Bimmercode app for months. My main reason is because some said it made the radio sound better. They were correct, it does sound slightly better, and I can still hear my MPE, though not smothering as it was before.

I could have it either way, and the ASD didn't bother me that much. It is nice to hear that the MPE is what it actually is, not enhanced by the fake sound.

GregoryK · 02-15-2019, 08:29 PM

Technics harness is the way to go. Clean (no buzz). I find the difference night and day. I have a stock exhaust. I find the ASD can mask the real sounds and I don't agree it is 3% - I would say 25 to 30% - and it does sound fake IMHO.

qnet · 02-17-2019, 07:39 PM

After driving my car this weekend, with ASD coded off, I've found that I like it because it didn't change things drastically. My ears must have adjusted, because I can hear my MPE nearly as well as before. I've yet to drive on the highway, so maybe then I'll really notice the difference.

ZPrime · 02-18-2019, 04:32 PM

In a factory stock car with standard exhaust, the ASD is definitely noticeable when moving from Comfort to Sport mode. It just adds a constant droning in Sport mode around 3k RPM, sounds like it's coming from under the dash somewhere.... but it's the speakers. Code ASD off and then switching between Comfort and Sport has nearly zero difference in sound.

r1214 · 02-28-2019, 08:25 PM

Okay just wanted to +1 for this being the best ever. Why would anyone want all that fake'ness? I will say, the only thing I was disappointed to miss was the revmatch sound. Can't believe even that was amplified and therefore "fake". Oh well, now I just have to crack the window down a bit to hear it better (or open valves on my MPE, haha)

nioh_lbbm2 · 02-28-2019, 09:14 PM

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Okay just wanted to +1 for this being the best ever. Why would anyone want all that fake'ness? I will say, the only thing I was disappointed to miss was the revmatch sound. Can't believe even that was amplified and therefore "fake". Oh well, now I just have to crack the window down a bit to hear it better (or open valves on my MPE, haha)

get a sport cat or catless downpipe and you'll hear it again but this time it'll be real sounds!

McGary911 · 03-02-2019, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nioh_lbbm2

get a sport cat or catless downpipe and you'll hear it again but this time it'll be real sounds!

This. I got a fabspeed sportcat for the power but man was the sound a nice, unexpected bonus. I have DCT so no rev match, but the growl shriek noises are so much nicer. You can really hear the turbo too.

I turned off my ASD with the bypass cable. It's a nice, elegant solution. This function wasn't part of Bimmercode when I did it back then.

I keep my window at least a little open unless there's a ridiculous downpour.

omasou · 03-14-2019, 08:23 AM

Read this post and others in the past. All have said that removing a fuse w/the HK audio not only disabled the ASD but also the radio. Yet it seems with other models removing the fuse or unplug the ASD amp does work. Though I am surprised that unplugging the models doesn't record a fault when the car is brought in for service.

I find it strange that pulling a fuse or unplugging the ASD works on so many models, except the M2?

X3/X4: https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1565456

M3/M4: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1473441

M3/M4: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1082175

M5: https://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=983411

Thoughts?

12-22-2018, 06:58 AM	#639
M Fifty Banned 844 Rep 1,962 Posts Drives: M2 & 330CI Join Date: May 2018 Location: The Interweb iTrader: (0)	I went for the "hifi' rather than HK stereo (so I do have a separate amp in addition to the ASD module, but it isn't an HK one), so pulling the fuse seems to do the trick.
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01-20-2019, 05:21 PM	#643
ecitizen First Lieutenant 131 Rep 309 Posts Drives: 2013 328i Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Arizona iTrader: (0)	Where is the ASD module? I need to unplug and plug back in the ASD cable so is there an easy way to get to it without too much trouble? I have a 2018 M2.
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orangeglim Lieutenant 345 Rep 442 Posts Drives: 2019 M2C Join Date: May 2016 Location: NC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2019 M2C [0.00]	This thread should give you an idea of how to do it: https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1202389 I did it on my M235i. I never removed the weather stripping around the trunk, it's possible to get the back plate off without doing that step.
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02-15-2019, 08:04 AM	#646
LuvMyE92 Occasionally frequent poster 3000 Rep 2,744 Posts Drives: CT5V-Blackwing Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: RTP NC, USA iTrader: (0)	ASD coding question My car has had a series of visits to the dealer to resolve nav/iDrive/USB issues, which are all fixed now. However, nearly every time they do something to the car that involves loading software, they wipe out my personalized settings that I did with Bimmercode. And so I do it again, including disabling the ASD. I have the M-sport exhaust, factory/port installed. My point is, I can't tell the difference. Maybe it's because the car is so freakin' loud, that it doesn't matter if ASD is on, or maybe because I'm old and deaf. Or it's possible that I'm doing it wrong. But it's just that one setting, correct? Attached Images __________________ Current inventory: F22 & G05 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing w/3 pedals Past: E24,E28(3),E34,E36,E37,E38(2),E39(4),E46,E89,E92 (obviously),F01,F06,F10,F30,F87,G12,G30(2),G82(2)
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Poochie Luxury at the redline :) 9103 Rep 7,563 Posts Drives: 2016 M2 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NYC iTrader: (3)	ASD is not as bad as people make it out to be. Folks here treat it like chopped liver when you can barely hear it over the vehicle's other natural acoustics i.e. road noise and exhaust drone. It adds a subtle resounding bass to the interior but you really don't notice it because of how the loud the M2 already is. It's like complaining about getting your hair wet when you're already swimming in the ocean.. So to speak.. Check out the article below and I'll give you a better perspective on how it's implemented in the M2. #TeamFakeNoise https://www.bmwblog.com/2016/06/16/v...-sound-design/ https://www.autoevolution.com/news/b...-m4-81872.html Attached Images
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02-15-2019, 08:41 AM	#648
DanG Major General 10582 Rep 6,917 Posts Drives: 2018 M2 AW DCT Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2018 BMW M2 [7.68]	ASD was quite intrusive in my M2. I used the ASD bypass harness just for the reasons you said. Any software update wipes out your coding changes.
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02-15-2019, 01:56 PM	#650
RAM_F30_F87 Lieutenant 197 Rep 430 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 LBB 6MT; 2012 328i 6MT Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Central PA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2012 BMW 328i Sport ... [0.00] 2017 BMW M2 [0.00]	In the summer of 2016 while my M2 was crossing the ocean, I bought the bypass harness based upon discussions in the forum, but never installed it since the ASD doesn't bother me for the type of driving I do. https://technicpnp.com/#products
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02-15-2019, 02:25 PM	#651
QM First Lieutenant 287 Rep 312 Posts Drives: 2020 M2CS 6MT Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Illinois iTrader: (2)	I recently turned off ASD with BimmerCode after getting the Remus exhaust. You are right that it's not a night and day difference, at least with an aftermarket exhaust (I also have a FB dp). However I can definitely tell it's off. The best evidence is below 3k rpm there is no longer a fake booming noise at low throttle. At or above 3k the sound is largely unchanged vs with ASD. Also, your stereo will sound much better with ASD off - improves base and highs as well and sounds louder at lower volumes. I was pleasantly surprised that the car still makes a majority of the previous noises but in a more natural manner.
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AndrewC1989 Brigadier General 10911 Rep 4,541 Posts Drives: 2015 328d xDrive Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NoVA iTrader: (5) Garage List 2015 328d xDrive [8.75]	Everyone's ears will have different sensitivities to different frequencies. I have a sport cat and a valved exhaust that is loud as hell and it doesn't bother me at all, but for some reason I found ASD to be super bothersome, like to the point that would give me headaches. I can only imagine that's what tinnitus feels like. It was a massive relief to get a bypass harness and finally get rid of it for good.
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qnet Major 682 Rep 1,016 Posts Drives: 18 Jeep Wrangler, 18 M2 LBB Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Morrow GA. iTrader: (0)	I just coded off ASD after having an adapter and the Bimmercode app for months. My main reason is because some said it made the radio sound better. They were correct, it does sound slightly better, and I can still hear my MPE, though not smothering as it was before. I could have it either way, and the ASD didn't bother me that much. It is nice to hear that the MPE is what it actually is, not enhanced by the fake sound. Last edited by qnet; 02-17-2019 at 07:34 PM..
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02-15-2019, 08:29 PM	#654
GregoryK Captain 503 Rep 780 Posts Drives: M2 '18 Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	Technics harness is the way to go. Clean (no buzz). I find the difference night and day. I have a stock exhaust. I find the ASD can mask the real sounds and I don't agree it is 3% - I would say 25 to 30% - and it does sound fake IMHO. __________________ "I would rather cry in a BMW than smile on a bicycle." Ma Nuo
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qnet Major 682 Rep 1,016 Posts Drives: 18 Jeep Wrangler, 18 M2 LBB Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Morrow GA. iTrader: (0)	After driving my car this weekend, with ASD coded off, I've found that I like it because it didn't change things drastically. My ears must have adjusted, because I can hear my MPE nearly as well as before. I've yet to drive on the highway, so maybe then I'll really notice the difference.
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02-18-2019, 04:32 PM	#656
ZPrime I INDIC8 612 Rep 1,286 Posts Drives: 2018 LBB M2, 6MT Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Cleveland, OH iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 BMW M2 [9.50]	In a factory stock car with standard exhaust, the ASD is definitely noticeable when moving from Comfort to Sport mode. It just adds a constant droning in Sport mode around 3k RPM, sounds like it's coming from under the dash somewhere.... but it's the speakers. Code ASD off and then switching between Comfort and Sport has nearly zero difference in sound. __________________ 2004 Matrix XRS 6MT => 2008 VW R32 DSG => 2012 Audi TTRS 6MT => 2018 BMW ///M2 6MT I'm an IT guy by trade and tech nerd by choice. I like HPDEs, parts of US Hwy 129, NC 28, and the Cherohala Skyway. I'm also a fan of aural pleasure.
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02-28-2019, 08:25 PM	#657
r1214 Private First Class 44 Rep 186 Posts Drives: 2017 M2 6MT Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Fayetteville AR iTrader: (4)	Okay just wanted to +1 for this being the best ever. Why would anyone want all that fake'ness? I will say, the only thing I was disappointed to miss was the revmatch sound. Can't believe even that was amplified and therefore "fake". Oh well, now I just have to crack the window down a bit to hear it better (or open valves on my MPE, haha)
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03-14-2019, 08:23 AM	#660
omasou Brigadier General 2087 Rep 3,003 Posts Drives: BMWs Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: US iTrader: (4) Garage List 2023 BMW S1000RR [0.50] 2022 BMW F900XR [3.00] 2022 BMW X6 40i [0.50] 2020 BMW M2C [9.50]	Read this post and others in the past. All have said that removing a fuse w/the HK audio not only disabled the ASD but also the radio. Yet it seems with other models removing the fuse or unplug the ASD amp does work. Though I am surprised that unplugging the models doesn't record a fault when the car is brought in for service. I find it strange that pulling a fuse or unplugging the ASD works on so many models, except the M2? X3/X4: https://x3.xbimmers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1565456 M3/M4: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1473441 M3/M4: https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1082175 M5: https://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=983411 Thoughts?
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