[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

Did you read anything I wrote? Absolutely none of my claim his car doesn't make 75hp more than the 93Oct tune is a blind guess.

And yes, trap times are useless in comparing vehicles, especially user modified vehicles in different locations and conditions, because there are too many variables. Standardized trap tests with vehicles running the same conditions, yes. That's a fine metric. But unstandardized anecdotal forum member times, no.

People using trap times to gauge vehicle performance isn't an argument that justifies it as a good measurement. People also use beauty to gauge the quality of a woman as a potential mate. Doesn't mean she make a good wife and mother. Just because others use a metric to gauge something doesn't mean it's a good metric to gauge something by.

What is a good enough measurement for you?
No dyno numbers - not actually performance figures, not people who own*and drive the car - what?

[cookiesowns]

N55 single MAF can only read so much airflow. You want to log calculated air mas instead of the actual MAF sensor. Another good way is looking at turbine mass flow too.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

What is a good enough measurement for you?
No dyno numbers - not actually performance figures, not people who won and drive the car - what?

And I ask again... did you read anything I wrote or are you gonna gaslight me as well? Dyno numbers aren't good enough for me?? When did I claim that? I've been asking ZM2 to release his dyno numbers for over a week and continually explaining why they are needed and much better than track times.

[5w20]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

"I’ve already said the Dinan turbo is only good for a few more peak and upper RPM hp."

Exactly, so there is no reason for you to not release your dyno curves to prove your claim of more than 50-75hp gains in the Stg2+ tune. Anyone can compare them to the stock turbo 93 tune perfectly well. But no, you gotta continually intentionally mislead people. So much so that now you have to put a once-a-year sale into the equation to rationalize your claims. A 0.2% occurrence is not a justification for an action. Would you pull the plug on a coma patient with a 0.2% chance of dying?

Calculate how much hp is needed on a vehicle with a raceweight of 3800lbs to go from a 111mph trap speed to 117mph. That’ll give you the gain I got from going BM3 stage 2 93 to BM3 stage 2+ e30.

Never mind, that chub is only looking for logs and dyno numbers. Real world measured times mean nothing to him lol

[Daleb]

Originally Posted by 5w20

Calculate how much hp is needed on a vehicle with a raceweight of 3800lbs to go from a 111mph trap speed to 117mph. That’ll give you the gain I got from going BM3 stage 2 93 to BM3 stage 2+ e30.

Never mind, that chub is only looking for logs and dyno numbers. Real world measured times mean nothing to him lol

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

What is a good enough measurement for you?
No dyno numbers - not actually performance figures, not people who won and drive the car - what?

I’m honestly not sure what would make him happy which makes me think he’s just a troll. I’m glad others are seeing him for what he is.

The performance gains people have seen with the + maps are great all while on the stock turbo.

I’m looking forward to seeing more people post their improvements as time goes on 😎

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by 5w20

Calculate how much hp is needed on a vehicle with a raceweight of 3800lbs to go from a 111mph trap speed to 117mph. That’ll give you the gain I got from going BM3 stage 2 93 to BM3 stage 2+ e30.

Never mind, that chub is only looking for logs and dyno numbers. Real world measured times mean nothing to him lol

You can do that to estimate difference with one car with one driver on one course. The owner of the car is the only one who can estimate that. Which is completely useless to all the other people trying to decide if the tune and upgrades are worthwhile or not. I really feel like I'm living in an alternate reality that you guys do not understand that.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by Daleb

I’m honestly not sure what would make him happy which makes me think he’s just a troll. I’m glad others are seeing him for what he is.

The performance gains people have seen with the + maps are great all while on the stock turbo.

I’m looking forward to seeing more people post their improvements as time goes on 😎

Said it dozens of times... Dyno graphs that people are making claims off of, but refuse to release for others to see.

[5w20]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

You can do that to estimate difference with one car with one driver on one course. The owner of the car is the only one who can estimate that. Which is completely useless to all the other people trying to decide if the tune and upgrades are worthwhile or not. I really feel like I'm living in an alternate reality that you guys do not understand that.

It was the same car and same driver. The car is automatic so there’s no room for driver error.

How would that be useless? Clearly shows that the 2+ makes considerably more power over the stage 2 93 map. You’re just looking for straws as to why not believe the difference. You probably just trolling.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by 5w20

It was the same car and same driver. The car is automatic so there’s no room for driver error.

How would that be useless? Clearly shows that the 2+ makes considerably more power over the stage 2 93 map. You’re just looking for straws as to why not believe the difference. You probably just trolling.

I've explained far too many times how it's useless. Go back and read.

[Artemis]

Anthony1s and ZM2: I edited a couple of your 'back & forth' posts in this thread. Show some respect for each other. Agree to disagree in a civil way. Another round of name-calling will get you some 'vacation' to cool down.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Anthony1s and ZM2: I edited a couple of your 'back & forth' posts in this thread. Show some respect for each other. Agree to disagree in a civil way. Another round of name-calling will get you some 'vacation' to cool down.

Do you have logs of what you edited of mine? Impossible to have a conversation going forward when what was said in the past is no longer known. I've also absolutely refrained from degrading the conversation to name calling, so I don't like being accused of something I never did. I was the one attacked here for calling out ZM2's lies.

[ZM2]

Artemis I gave myself a vacation from this last week bc I had much more important things to do and celebrate here in the US.

It’s a shame that Anthony1s has ruined this thread for the guys actually interested in running this map. Sorry guys.

And somehow “ZM2 lies” = him incorrectly inferring something from from my car and then applying it to other cars, and he can’t figure that out you can’t do that since he’s not spent any/much time running ethanol and how it differs in each of our cars (even tho I explained it).

That’s OK, everyone can see the record and knows who’s spent more time and effort here helping the community that is actually interested in running this map, and who’s just being a distraction. Altho, it definitely puts a damper on community engagement when we have to deal with guys like this.

The fact is I have the beta map curves that show exactly what I’ve said, other guys here have seen them, and they’ll get updated on the OTS maps in a few weeks. But at this point, none of us care about sharing data for his appeasement, we’re simply doing it to help the rest of us.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

Do you have logs of what you edited of mine? Impossible to have a conversation going forward when what was said in the past is no longer known. I've also absolutely refrained from degrading the conversation to name calling, so I don't like being accused of something I never did. I was the one attacked here for calling out ZM2's lies.

Originally Posted by ZM2

Artemis I gave myself a vacation from this last week bc I had much more important things to do and celebrate here in the US.
It’s a shame that Anthony1s has ruined this thread for the guys actually interested in running this map. Sorry guys.
And somehow “ZM2 lies” = him incorrectly inferring something from from my car and then applying it to other cars, and he can’t figure that out you can’t do that since he’s not spent any/much time running ethanol and how it differs in each of our cars (even tho I explained it).
That’s OK, everyone can see the record and knows who’s spent more time and effort here helping the community that is actually interested in running this map, and who’s just being a distraction. Altho, it definitely puts a damper on community engagement when we have to deal with guys like this.
The fact is I have the beta map curves that show exactly what I’ve said, other guys here have seen them, and they’ll get updated on the OTS maps in a few weeks. But at this point, none of us care about sharing data for his appeasement, we’re simply doing it to help the rest of us.

R.I.P. Keith Flint (1969-2019):

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by Artemis

R.I.P. Keith Flint (1969-2019):

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by ZM2

Artemis I gave myself a vacation from this last week bc I had much more important things to do and celebrate here in the US.

It’s a shame that Anthony1s has ruined this thread for the guys actually interested in running this map. Sorry guys.

And somehow “ZM2 lies” = him incorrectly inferring something from from my car and then applying it to other cars, and he can’t figure that out you can’t do that since he’s not spent any/much time running ethanol and how it differs in each of our cars (even tho I explained it).

That’s OK, everyone can see the record and knows who’s spent more time and effort here helping the community that is actually interested in running this map, and who’s just being a distraction. Altho, it definitely puts a damper on community engagement when we have to deal with guys like this.

The fact is I have the beta map curves that show exactly what I’ve said, other guys here have seen them, and they’ll get updated on the OTS maps in a few weeks. But at this point, none of us care about sharing data for his appeasement, we’re simply doing it to help the rest of us.

Like I said, the gaslighting needs to stop. I've literally exposed your lies and false information you promoted with actual screenshots. You said the Stg2+ tune makes more power on YOUR CAR than it actually does, then refused to give the info you claim to have to support your claim. You making fake claims, not backing them up with evidence you claim to have, then attacking for calling you out on it is not my fault. So do not try to make it that way.

These are literally BMW M2 community members you are lying to. Our community.

And not a single apology from you for the name calling and character assassination you've put me through.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

Like I said, the gaslighting needs to stop. I've literally exposed your lies and false information you promoted with actual screenshots. You said the Stg2+ tune makes more power on YOUR CAR than it actually does, then refused to give the info you claim to have to support your claim. You making fake claims, not backing them up with evidence you claim to have, then attacking for calling you out on it is not my fault. So do not try to make it that way.

These are literally BMW M2 community members you are lying to. Our community.

And not a single apology from you for the name calling and character assassination you've put me through.

As I've said, you and I have no idea how much Stg 2+ OTS makes on my car, but I already have dyno curves on the beta map with numbers higher than what you've "calculated" for my car, and the OTS feels quicker. That's the point of me updating my dyno numbers soon on the OTS map.

So, you're the one saying I'm lying and you have no evidence. Just assumptions and a bad attitude bc I won't share my beta map data with you out of respect for the tuner. And why would I share that info anyways with someone saying I'm lying when I'm not, and is acting the way you are?

But don't worry, I haven't assassinated anything. You'll keep acting the same way, and people will see you for who you are.

Come on Artemis give us the vacation!

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by ZM2

As I've said, you and I have no idea how much Stg 2+ OTS makes on my car, but I already have dyno curves on the beta map with numbers higher than what you've "calculated" for my car, and the OTS feels quicker. That's the point of me updating my dyno numbers soon on the OTS map.

So, you're the one saying I'm lying and you have no evidence. Just assumptions and a bad attitude bc I won't share my beta map data with you out of respect for the tuner. And why would I share that info anyways with someone saying I'm lying when I'm not, and is acting the way you are?

But don't worry, I haven't assassinated anything. You'll keep acting the same way, and people will see you for who you are.

Come on Artemis give us the vacation!

If you don't know, then do not make claims that your car makes over 500hp on the Stg2+ map and 75hp more than the Stg2 93 map. I have evidence of those claims and posted them in this thread. Stop gaslighting and stop calling for me to be banned because you spread false information to people here. It's completely vicious and abusive, I've not broken a single rule here.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

If you don't know, then do not make claims that your car makes over 500hp on the Stg2+ map and 75hp more than the Stg2 93 map. I have evidence of those claims and posted them in this thread. Stop gaslighting and stop calling for me to be banned because you spread false information to people here. It's completely vicious and abusive, I've not broken a single rule here.

How many times have I said that I didn't say this, you did: "75hp more than the Stg2 93 map". Never once said anything like that. I'll spell it out for you again. Follow along, I'll go slow, maybe you'll figure it out this time:

-I said I made 50whp more on Stg 2+ E30 beta vs Stg 2 E30
-You said that's BS, you're not making 75hp more than Stg 2 93
-I said where'd you get that from
-You said, Stg 2 E30 makes 10-15hp more than Stg 2 93, and then added Stg 2 E30 dyno numbers from a different car and different dyno, to Stg 2 93 dyno numbers from a different car and different dyno, to my car on a different dyno.
-I said, no, I'm making 50whp more on Stg 2+ E30 beta vs Stg 2 E30 and gave the reason why, b/c some stock HPFPs can't handle E30 and get max power out of the Stg 2 E30 map and why I still ran ethanol on the track.
-And, any car that makes 425whp is making 500 engine hp. That's also what I posted. You're the one confusing yourself by not clarifying in your posts b/n whp and engine hp.

Apparently all this still isn't computing for you, and you continue to spout the same saying and then say I said it, when the reality is you incorrectly inferred all of it and in a delusional manner say that I said it.

You have broken rules over and over saying that I'm lying when I'm not, and it's actually b/c you can't follow you're own flawed logic. This is exactly why your arguments have no validity and people see it. You're literally making my counterpoints easier the more you keep replying. And I never said you should be banned. I asked Artemis for our vacation so I can get some sanity from your responses that continue to make no sense.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by ZM2

How many times have I said that I didn't say this, you did: "75hp more than the Stg2 93 map". Never once said anything like that. I'll spell it out for you again. Follow along, I'll go slow, maybe you'll figure it out this time:

-I said I made 50whp more on Stg 2+ E30 beta vs Stg 2 E30
-You said that's BS, you're not making 75hp more than Stg 2 93
-I said where'd you get that from
-You said, Stg 2 E30 makes 10-15hp more than Stg 2 93, and added Stg 2 E30 dyno numbers from a different car and different dyno, to Stg 2 93 dyno numbers from a different car and different dyno, to my car on a different dyno.
-I said, no, I'm making 50whp more on Stg 2+ E30 beta vs Stg 2 E30 and gave the reason why, b/c some stock HPFPs can't handle E30 and get max power out of the Stg 2 E30 map.
-Apparently this still isn't computing for you, and you continue to spout the same saying, and saying I said it, when you incorrectly inferred all of it and made it up.

You have broken rules over and over saying that I'm lying when I'm not, and it's actually b/c you can't follow you're own flawed logic. This is exactly why your arguments have no validity and people see it.

You're literally making my counterpoints easier the more you keep replying. And I never said you should be banned. I asked Artemis for our vacation so I can get some sanity from your responses that continue to make no sense.

Follow along with me, then.

1. 50hp more than the e30 map IS 75hp more than the Stg 2 93 map. You've made both claims, which I've shown. But either way, we can go by your 50hp claim then, because it's false as well
2. I never once added dyno numbers from any cars or even had that conversation with you asking me for dyno numbers.

You're either gaslighting or cannot keep track of what I've said at all.

Which makes it impossible to have an actual conversation with you.

So, I'm done. Not even reading the rest of your nonsense. Goodnight.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

Follow along with me, then.

1. 50hp more than the e30 map IS 75hp more than the Stg 2 93 map. You've made both claims, which I've shown. But either way, we can go by your 50hp claim then, because it's false as well
2. I never once added dyno numbers from any cars or even had that conversation with you.

You're either gaslighting or cannot keep track of what I've said at all.

Which makes it impossible to have an actual conversation with you.

So, I'm done. Not even reading the rest of your nonsense. Goodnight.

You just reinforced my points again! You're not doing yourself any favors here. Lordy.

[Anthony1s]

Originally Posted by ZM2

You just reinforced my points again! You're not doing yourself any favors here. Lordy.

Uh huh. Goodnight.

[ZM2]

Originally Posted by Anthony1s

Uh huh. Goodnight.

Hey looky there, I "clicked the Appreciate button"!