[VisualEcho]

I got a harbor freight ½" torque wrench for next to nothing as well (don't crucify me). I'll end up with a really expensive one at some point, but this one works for now. Check for coupons, I think I picked it up for $10.

https://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-...nch-63882.html

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I got a harbor freight ½" torque wrench for next to nothing as well (don't crucify me). I'll end up with a really expensive one at some point, but this one works for now. Check for coupons, I think I picked it up for $10.

https://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-...nch-63882.html

What's wrong with that, as long as it gets the job done? I think you potentially saved me $45..

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

What's wrong with that, as long as it gets the job done? I think you potentially saved me $45..

It's the stigma of cheap tools, especially something that needs to be pretty spot on. As a rule I buy Snap-On/Matco/Dewalt/Makita/etc, but with this particular part I needed it asap, so HF it was. Works fine, but I'm not sure about the exact accuracy.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

It's the stigma of cheap tools, especially something that needs to be pretty spot on. As a rule I buy Snap-On/Matco/Dewalt/Makita/etc, but with this particular part I needed it asap, so HF it was. Works fine, but I'm not sure about the exact accuracy.

Makes sense, it is an adjustable torque wrench

[chris719]

You don't really need an accurate wrench for wheels. If the spec is 88 ft/lb or something then just set it to 90 or 100 and you're good. Most shops and dealerships tighten the shit out of them anyway via impact gun, way past spec, and I rarely hear of problems.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by chris719

You don't really need an accurate wrench for wheels. If the spec is 88 ft/lb or something then just set it to 90 or 100 and you're good. Most shops and dealerships tighten the shit out of them anyway via impact gun, way past spec, and I rarely hear of problems.

I once made a dealer buy me a new wheel for using an impact on it and causing a hairline crack.

What I did before I took it to the dealer was torque it to spec, and then drew a black line across the bolt/wheel with a black magic marker. They didn't even notice. Once I got the car back I checked the torque. Supposed to be 77, was sitting at 150 on that one side.

They are the dealer, they are supposed to know their business, hold them accountable.

[andrettifan]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Here are the 437s, cant wait for winter (well, not really) to swap and see how they look

In my biased opinion, the 437s look great on the M2C, especially the HS color. I wear them on mine. When I traded my 2017 M2 for the M2C, I asked the dealer to swap the wheels from my old car... they thought I was nuts!

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by andrettifan

In my biased opinion, the 437s look great on the M2C, especially the HS color. I wear them on mine. When I traded my 2017 M2 for the M2C, I asked the dealer to swap the wheels from my old car... they thought I was nuts!

Yes, you are nuts!

But those look sweet, cant wait for the winter...

[BigKutta]

Anyone know what the max width size I can put on the 437Ms that would fit on the M2C rears without any issues? I know the 437s with 275s will work in the rear, but what about 295s in the rear?

[andrettifan]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

Yes, you are nuts!

But those look sweet, cant wait for the winter...

BTW, my 437s are mounted with the summer tires so they're on the car most of the year (even here in CT). My winters are Apex wheels, Very cool, too.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by andrettifan

BTW, my 437s are mounted with the summer tires so they're on the car most of the year (even here in CT). My winters are Apex wheels, Very cool, too.

They look great too!

[KPM2C]

Originally Posted by 2PUTT

I believe all season tires are not worth it when using as dedicated winter tires since they are generally designed to be a "jack of all trades but a master of none". They are designed to be decent on a wide range of weather but not really great at any specific one.

I decided to go with 255/275 winter tire combo mounted on the stock 788 wheels.



If you are interested, I have a pair of Pirelli Sottozero 3 winter tires that I used for about 500 miles. I can sell them to you for $300 for both tires. Brand new, tirerack sells them for $242 each. I initially ran a square setup. You can buy these for your fronts and buy rears later on. I have since picked up a winter beater so I don't drive the M2C much.

I am in central VA. We can meet up to save on shipping.
PM me and let me know.

I'm also looking to put winter tires on the stock 788M rims... just wondering with your tire size: did you have any rubbing? Does the front & back size of tire work?....

appreciate your feedback!

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by KPM2C

I'm also looking to put winter tires on the stock 788M rims... just wondering with your tire size: did you have any rubbing? Does the front & back size of tire work?....

appreciate your feedback!

I can tell you from some research and from messaging 2Putt that the 255/275 are non issues on a stock suspension. I will tell you though that if you went with a square 255 setup, the rear rims will be pretty exposed, so you want a wider tire in the back on the 788s.

[2PUTT]

Originally Posted by KPM2C

I'm also looking to put winter tires on the stock 788M rims... just wondering with your tire size: did you have any rubbing? Does the front & back size of tire work?....

appreciate your feedback!

no rubbing/issues with my 255/275 setup.

[ROBM2C]

@2putt ...I will take the pair of pirellis you got . If there not sold .

[BigKutta]

So when I bought my 437M with Pirelli Sottozeros already mounted on them the seller had them marked Left front, right front, Left rear, right rear. I understand that Fronts and Rears cant be swapped due to obvious staggered setup, however why the Left and Right markings? These aren't directional tires are they? If so, I dont see the markings on the tire.

[HazChem]

Maybe to keep track of them so they get rotated next season? I did that to my summers when I took them off.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by HazChem

Maybe to keep track of them so they get rotated next season? I did that to my summers when I took them off.

So I checked with the previous owner who said that you want to roll the tire in the same direction as the wear, not go against it. Makes sense.

[BigKutta]

So I swapped the wheels to 437M with winter tires. First time doing this with all the right tools, my only concern was the torque wrench was meant to click once I torqued to 140, but I didnt hear anything. What am I missing guys? My torque wrench is a TEKTON 1/2 Inch Drive Click Torque Wrench (10-150 ft.-lb.). I pretty much could go all the way to stop and no click. Some pics of the HS Comp with 437s. So much easier to put on due to weight and the ease of access to the lugs (versus the 788s). Also, love the concave design of the wheels when on the car.

Thanks for all the tips guys, most importantly the hanger pin!! Pics below:

[HazChem]

Makes sense about keeping the rotation the same. Thanks for the follow up.

140 Nm or 140 lbs foot? BMW recommends 140 Nm or 101 lbs ft.

[BigKutta]

Originally Posted by HazChem

Makes sense about keeping the rotation the same. Thanks for the follow up.

140 Nm or 140 lbs foot? BMW recommends 140 Nm or 101 lbs ft.

101 lf ft

[Brokenbones]

Originally Posted by BigKutta

So I checked with the previous owner who said that you want to roll the tire in the same direction as the wear, not go against it. Makes sense.

Huh hadn’t heard that before. On a staggered winter setup used side to side pattern so the zigzag sipes wear more evenly in both rotational directions for a more predictable loss of traction in both acceleration and braking with age. When swapping tires noticed the acceleration side of sipes wore faster than braking side on rears after a winter season of ~4k miles.

Did some googling and didn’t find anything. Tire rack winter tire rotation page recommends maintaining rotation direction for studded snows, doesn’t mention regular studless winters.