[tropicatango]

it's looking Great guys.... people who are interested slowly built a list, let's make it happens and pm me to be in the group to get the these super light wheels

Thanks

[Kankles]

I talked to Erik at Edelweiss as well and he was very helpful and the price is really good considering how light these are. High quality from all accounts so far. Ultimately I decided to go with 763s as I sourced them cheaper and forged versus flow formed.

[tropicatango]

Just sent a pm to everybody that contacted me and show interest.

I want to say that i have no affiliation to edelweiss and my only reward doing this group buy will be to get the same price as everyone.

there is still room in this group buy please contact me if interested. the more we are the better it will be

[happyjack]

has there been any follow up on these wheels? i've always loved the 513m wheels but will need 19" for my M2C summer wheels.

what's the best way to order? is it through the email provided in this thread?

[Mike_OGm2]

Originally Posted by happyjack

has there been any follow up on these wheels? i've always loved the 531m wheels but will need 19" for my M2C summer wheels.

what's the best way to order? is it through the email provided in this thread?

Email the company. I requested a quote in English and they got back to me in 2 days. Decided to stick with my 666m wheels though.

[happyjack]

anyone actually running these wheels?

i've been obsessing over the pics i can find for the last couple of days. my M2C delivery will likely be early june...unless ever given somehow manages to block passage out of bremerhaven in the next couple of weeks. strongly considering an order, but i'd like some first-hand accounts of the product.

any other alternatives for 513M replicas in 19"?

[LBBFTW]

Did this groupbuy ever happen? The more I look into lightweight wheels, these sound more and more appealing.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by happyjack

anyone actually running these wheels?

i've been obsessing over the pics i can find for the last couple of days. my M2C delivery will likely be early june...unless ever given somehow manages to block passage out of bremerhaven in the next couple of weeks. strongly considering an order, but i'd like some first-hand accounts of the product.

any other alternatives for 513M replicas in 19"?

Originally Posted by LBBFTW

Did this groupbuy ever happen? The more I look into lightweight wheels, these sound more and more appealing.

Only selling from Europe IIRC. Also the group buy did not go, not enough people willing to commit. Sorry folks

[happyjack]

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

Only selling from Europe IIRC. Also the group buy did not go, not enough people willing to commit. Sorry folks

i'm so incredibly bummed to read this. i won't be unhappy with 437m as my summers (788m will be winters), but damn i've always loved the 513m.

*sigh*

maybe i will email them and see if i can reinvigorate a group buy?

[marcw]

Originally Posted by happyjack

i'm so incredibly bummed to read this. i won't be unhappy with 437m as my summers (788m will be winters), but damn i've always loved the 513m.

*sigh*

maybe i will email them and see if i can reinvigorate a group buy?

If a group buy is happening let me know. I'm definitely interested.

[marcw]

I did some more research on these wheels and found a very lengthy post on a German 2-series board where Erik Platen CEO of Edelweiss responded to a bunch of questions from a forum member.

That thread has 17 pages with lots of pictures so if you want to see a specific color checkout that thread linked below.

Here is a translation of the 20+ questions:

Hello Norbert,

Thank you for your interest and don't worry about the number of questions.

We do understand. To be honest, we wouldn't be any different. Many of your questions are precisely the points that were decisive for us to set up our own brand. We ourselves have been M2 and M3 drivers for many years and therefore know the cars very well. Put simply, we have developed the rims the way we would like them to be on our own cars.

Only the best and nothing else. To your questions in detail:

1.) Do you already have other rims on the market for BMW or other vehicle brands?

EDELWEISS has been very fresh on the market since 2020. The LT ° 5 is our first own rim.

The first applications are 19" BMW M2 and 20" BMW M3 / M4.

We are currently developing other sizes (RS4 / RS5, RS6 / RS7, etc.).

2.) Are there any other references for products you manufacture?

No - it is the first time that we have made products ourselves. I think the question is aimed at how much knowledge or experience we generally have with rims and whether we can be trusted at all:

We have been the general importer of HRE for Europe, Russia & Middle East.

Before that, we were also in the industry, but each in a different company.

For HRE, we have advised countless customers in recent years, measured vehicles, worked out fitments, made TÜV tests, repaired rims, powder coated, etc.

So we come from the industry and think that over the years we got to know the good and bad suppliers, the wishes of the customers and the strengths / weaknesses of the products available on the market . Otherwise we would not have taken the risk of launching our own brand . In terms of training, we hold engineering degrees in Aerospace and Machine construction, if that also plays a role.

3.) How are the LT ° 5 rims produced? Forged / Cast?

It is a hybrid process between flow forming and forging. Flow forming is a cold process and forging is deformation by heat treatment. Flow forming is faster, cheaper and the concavity can be freely selected.

Disadvantages are the higher weight and rounder (softer) surface contours compared to forged wheels. Depending on the material, forged wheels cost twice (or more) as much as flow forming, take longer to manufacture and the concavity is limited to the blanks of the supplier. On the other hand, they are lighter and have nicer, more pronounced surface contours. We have a mix of both. (I am simplifying the process at this point without x-rays, leak tests, powder layering, etc.). We start with a flow forming wheel, which enables us to design the wheels to be as concave as possible and to “tailor them” to the vehicle. It looks better and saves weight by minimizing the wheel flange. It is also more stable, as concave spokes can cope with torque loads much better than flat, kinked spokes. We scan the wheel arches with a laser. This gives us an exact 3D model in order to be able to use the installation space precisely.
Our wheels are then hardened using the same T6 thermal process that is known from forged wheels . Although this is unusual and makes the wheel a
bit more expensive in the end, it drastically increases the strength and saves a lot of weight, which we think is good. Finally, there is machining (CNC milling, drilling, turning).

This not only affects the surface, as is usual with Flow Forming, but the entire wheel, which again corresponds more to forged wheels. This makes the wheel a bit more expensive again, but we get the surface precision and beautiful contour of a forged wheel . Special features, such as the undercut (dirt channel) between the spokes and the rim bed to avoid imbalances caused by water, can arise in the first place. In addition, we can remove weight again precisely where we need it. In contrast to the forged wheel, however, we do not have to mill the entire wheel from a solid block, but work with an already existing wheel.

This saves us a lot of milling time and allows us to keep costs under control.
PS: Please do not confuse this with "Flow Forged" and "Hybrid Forged" from other manufacturers. These are just fictitious marketing names. The products have nothing to do with our production technology. You can tell from the weight. They're all much heavier.

4.) Where are they produced?

The answer to this question is not so easy because it doesn't actually make any sense, but of course I would still like to give you an answer. I suppose the question is trying to simplify a complex issue, as if our product were created in just one country or only one place, in order to draw conclusions about the quality, which is not the case , however.

I might explain this with an example: Where does the M2 come from? BMW has its own added value of less than 20%. Developments and products from suppliers from all over the world are built into the M2 . What does that say about the quality? Simply nothing: neither good nor bad. It is crucial that BMW develop the idea, the construction, manages the quality and the final assembly and looks for the best partners, suppliers and specialists worldwide. It's similar with us, too, only on a smaller scale, of course.

So far, suppliers from 5 different countries have been involved.

We manage everything from the idea, construction, quality, final packaging and final inspection. Tool making , rim production, hub cap logo.

We have outsourced the packaging material, screws, material tests and TÜV tests to partners. The selection of the partners took well over a year and was very difficult.

We did not proceed according to country. The decisive factor was who can deliver the best quality on economic terms so that we could ultimately maintain quality targets and target price. There are hardly any suppliers worldwide for our technology. The best for it is in Thailand.

We tried to get in there but were refused. Financially we are far too small for him. In the end we were accepted with the finished construction via relationships after personal audition, because no one has yet implemented the technology so consistently in its construction.

The supplier enjoys our product and we are proud to have our product manufactured there.

5.) How do they compare with the standard rims in terms of strength and resilience?

We do not know because we have never tested the strength of the standard rims and we do not know.

For the construction and dimensioning, we do not orientate ourselves on other rims, but on the requirements of the respective car, i.e. axle loads, trailer loads, maximum torque, etc. Things such as control behavior, the subsequent tire choice, and other criteria also play a role.

6.) Is there a maximum speed limit for this? If so, what is it?

These are generally not for rims (only for tires) - thus also not with ours.

7.) Are they unrestricted track-compatible?

Purely from the load-bearing capacity “yes”, but practically a very clear “no”.

Track rims should be specially designed as such because they have different
requirements than road rims. For example, the M2 needs at least 265 tires on the front axle for stable cornering, preferably semi-slicks , even for semi-professional track operations. Such a tire, in turn, needs at least a 9.5 "wide rim so that the tire is stable, otherwise the wide tire is of no use, but rolls uncontrollably over the too narrow rim.

For professional racing, you would need 10x18 on the front with slick tires.
To avoid slippage, track rims should have a knurling under the tire pad.
Since you always get stuck at some point in the gravel, on a tire wall, on higher curbs, a fence or even a wall, the contour of the track rims should be made in such a way that they can be easily refinished more often. They should also be simple and inexpensive so that they can be replaced if necessary. And and and. There are many points. We will certainly bring out special track rims in the future, but the LT ° 5 is definitely designed as a road rim in terms of design and size.

8.) Are they theoretically allowed to be driven without restrictions in winter (salt ...)?

Yes, you can.

9.) Do the rims still have reserves so that material could be refinished as a repair measure in the event of a possible (slight) contact with the curb? (Possible and permitted with standard rims)

These are basically two questions in one. Of course, the rims have reserves. On the one hand, every rim with TÜV reserves, because in the formula of the “Guidelines for the testing of special wheels for motor vehicles” according to StVZO, the safety factor 2 is prescribed under point 4.6.1.4 and under 4.6.2.2.

For example, a rim that has been tested and approved for 650 kg can actually withstand at least 1,300 kg.

In-house we test 5% above TÜV level with a positive result.
Refinishing is not possible with the LT ° 5 because the spoke ends protrude above the forehead plane and trapezoids are milled between the spokes. Refinishing would immediately change the appearance of the rim.
Over the years at HRE we have seen a lot of badly repaired rims that were refinished by someone somewhere. After refinishing, the powder coating followed and that is very problematic. Most powders (including acrylic powder) are baked at 170 degrees Celsius and higher. This is not a problem for steel, cast aluminum or flow forming rims, but it is for heat-treated rims. Some of the heat treatment takes place at 160 degrees Celsius, for example. This shows which temperatures are already having an impact on strength.
When selecting the powder, we therefore had to consider many criteria.

One of them was that they are baked at very low temperatures.
Very few powders were suitable in the end. Using the wrong powder can be
dangerous for the strength of the rims, especially if they have already been damaged by a curb, for example. We have therefore decided to design the surface in such a way that it is impossible to refinish it. Instead, we offer an exchange service at discounted rates in the event of damage . It's just safer.


10.) May I ask why you decided to reduce the ET of the rims when designing in contrast to the series? Especially why the front is 4mm wider than the rear. Wouldn't it be better the other way around?

The BMW M2 front track width is 1,579mm, the rear track width 1,601mm, that's a delta of 22mm. With our fitment we get the front to 1,597mm, and the rfear to 1,615mm. This corresponds to a delta of 18mm. You see, the ratio changes minimally.

For us, when deciding on the sizes, the focus was primarily on the fitment, i.e. the appearance, and the TÜV conformity. In addition, the front axle of the M2 offers more space than the rear axle. You could of course say that the understeer is due to the wider front axle something is improved and the vehicle becomes more stable when cornering, but this is so minimal that it is not a good argument. Another reason was the option of using OEM 245/265 tires.

11.) What report is there? TÜV Austria or TÜV Süd?

Parts certificate or ABE, probably TÜV Austria and / or TÜV Rheinland. Is still in the final clarification.

12.) What conditions does the report include? Ask this because my car has an AC.Schnitzer (= ~ KW V3) coilover kit with 30mm lowering all around
(worry me about the other ET). In other words: Is an entry therefore also unproblematic?

Every parts certificate and / or ABE always refers to a vehicle in series production. In the case of modified vehicles, an individual acceptance must always be carried out in accordance with Section19 StVZO, also for rims with parts certificate or ABE. I don't know your car and I'm not the responsible TÜV inspector, but the sizes and ETs we have chosen correspond to what we at HRE have been selling without problems on M2 of all kinds with registration for years - from series, to springs, V3 to to clubsport.

So I assume that there are no problems. That's why we designed the sizes as they are.

13.) Is shipping added to the pre-order price?

Yes, 15 € including VAT per rim.

14.) How much deposit is due for pre-order?

Your soul or € 1,500. The pre-order is valid until February 28th, 2020.

15.) How long is the delivery time currently?

Expected March 2nd half of

16.) Is the color freely select-able or do certain colors cost an extra charge? (my request: Gloss Black)

Frozen Black (black silk matt) and Gunmetal (gray structure matt) are included in the price. All individual powder coatings cost € 400 including tax per set and take about 3 weeks. We will soon be posting rims of all colors, both on and off vehicles.

17.) Installation of the normal BMW TPMS sensors is certainly also possible, right?

Yes. Likewise the assembly with the original BMW wheel bolts. We took both into account.

18.) If your answers are allowed to be published, please let me know: I would like to post them in the 2-talk forum and surely arouse more curiosity among potential buyers. If not, I'll keep the answers to myself

Well, please go ahead, otherwise I'll have to write everything again for the next interested party.

Maybe we'll do a few video posts or something. I'm sure many people have the same questions.

19.) Can temperatures occur in road traffic that affect the strength of your wheels?

No. The heat treatment to harden our rims takes over 10 hours at different temperature levels and takes place in an oven to produce a holistic and uniformly distributed temperature penetration of the material. That is why powder coating can be dangerous if the temperature in the oven is too high. Partial exposure to temperature on the vehicle, however, is not critical. The rims are designed for this.

20.) Does the rim have to be replaced with every damage?
What does the exchange rim cost?

In the event of surface damage, the rims can be sanded locally to be repaired. Only if the damage is so deep that the rim would have to be refinished, then it is safer to exchange the rim for a new one. The exchange rims are only available directly from us 25% discount on the list price. Requirements are:
activated guarantee, submission of the purchase invoice, sending in the damaged rim and completed replacement application. It's very easy in practice.

21.) Can the rims be installed on any M2 brake system? (normal, sport, ceramic)? What is the clearance between the rim and the caliper?

Yes, the LT ° 5 in 19 "fits over all OEM BMW brake systems of the F8x series. That's what we designed them for, and so too already tested. Since the inner diameter of the rim sometimes varies, this does not help much. When combining the largest OEM BMW brake system the F8x series (6-piston) and our LT ° 5 in 19 " the smallest distance is 3.2mm and is thus above
the legal minimum distance.

Check out page 2+ for lots of pics: https://www.2ertalk.de/threads/5511/

[happyjack]

Originally Posted by marcw

I did some more research on these wheels and found a very lengthy post on a German 2-series board where Erik Platen CEO of Edelweiss responded to a bunch of questions from a forum member.

...

Check out page 2+ for lots of pics: https://www.2ertalk.de/threads/5511/

great find! thanks for this post!

i'm really feeling the frozen silver...or maybe the gun metal...or maybe dark chrome...for my sunset orange. may have to order samples once i take delivery of the car (hopefully before the end of may).

i'm not in a huge rush, as i plan to stay stock until october-ish -- at which point i'll wrap the stock 788s in winter rubber. i'll then have until april to figure out my summer shoes. these LT-5s are definitely in the running since i cant find any other 513m style wheels in 19" that i really like.

edit: wow...that thread has a SO w/ frozen silver...

[Fined]

I was interested in some of these wheels last year but ended up going HRE, mainly due to the fact that there just did not seem to be enough owner/user feedback. I've gotten burnt once before on some smaller manufacturer wheels so didn't want to risk it to pick up a set.

Coming to a new country you do not always have a good way to know which brands are well established and known in the car community.

[marcw]

Originally Posted by Fined

I was interested in some of these wheels last year but ended up going HRE, mainly due to the fact that there just did not seem to be enough owner/user feedback. I've gotten burnt once before on some smaller manufacturer wheels so didn't want to risk it to pick up a set.

Coming to a new country you do not always have a good way to know which brands are well established and known in the car community.

I agree that your are certainly taking a risk buying from a young startup like this. On the other hand it's not crazy money and the appeal of rocking some rims not everyone has is def there for me. I really love the 763, but it seems so does everyone else. Rocking something unique would be great. Reading the answers from Erik I liked a lot of what he had to say. Like don't use these for the track. Really my only concern with these is the inability to refinishing them and how long it would take to get a replacement should a rim get severely damaged.

[AlpsRider]

I think the concerns that he had about refinishing may well apply to forged wheels such as 788 and 763 as well. Although they are routinely powder coated it is somewhat controversial.

[Karmic Man]

I applause him laid out that the M2 needs at least a 265 on the front axle to have good cornering stability

[OzWoz]

Thanks all for the informative thread. I've decided to take the leap and have ordered a set of LT5's. They are a very small team, but they're not new to this business and have been (and still are) the HRE importer for 10 years in Europe.

The owner was very free with information, and yes I think it could be a pain if you have a severely damaged rim. They have a system in place to repair it that involves sending it back. The same system also gets your rims re-colored if you want, but yeah...I'd not relish being without a rim for that long so that is a risk. If you destroy the rim, they replace it with a 25% discount.

Time will tell how they hold up to use, but I'm looking forward to putting them on the car.

[marcw]

Originally Posted by OzWoz

Thanks all for the informative thread. I've decided to take the leap and have ordered a set of LT5's. They are a very small team, but they're not new to this business and have been (and still are) the HRE importer for 10 years in Europe.

The owner was very free with information, and yes I think it could be a pain if you have a severely damaged rim. They have a system in place to repair it that involves sending it back. The same system also gets your rims re-colored if you want, but yeah...I'd not relish being without a rim for that long so that is a risk. If you destroy the rim, they replace it with a 25% discount.

Time will tell how they hold up to use, but I'm looking forward to putting them on the car.

What color did you get? Wondering how much shipping and import tax is. Is it a wash since you shouldn't have to pay 19% sales tax in Germany?

[OzWoz]

Originally Posted by marcw

What color did you get? Wondering how much shipping and import tax is. Is it a wash since you shouldn't have to pay 19% sales tax in Germany?

I got them in frozen black after a long trawl through their Facebook page (more pictures there than on the website). I considered getting away from black, and thought frozen bronze might suit my mineral grey, but as nice as they look, it looked a little too...aftermarket for me.

Shipping was 200 euros, but i'm in Australia, so your mileage may vary. Sales tax was not part of the invoice, so I'm guessing it's not charged, although i will likely get slammed once they arrive in Australia, as the customs guys stick 10% on anything over A$1,000. Contact them on the site for a no obligation quote. They really are very helpful and ready to answer questions.

[marcw]

Took the plunge today and ordered a set in frozen silver. Should have them in 4-6 weeks.

[happyjack]

Originally Posted by marcw

Took the plunge today and ordered a set in frozen silver. Should have them in 4-6 weeks.

cant wait to see them and get your impressions!

[OzWoz]

Mine arrived. You know you've made a good choice when you're grinning whilst opening each box!. Very happy with them. Crappy phone cam shots, but you get the idea.