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      08-16-2020, 03:52 PM   #23
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Iím wondering the same thing, but on the Boxster side.

Although, the back end of the 718 Spyder is something to behold.

To the right buyer, the CS will be totally worth it - love seeing the CF hood and bonnet, specific spoiler, etc.

And the M3/4 ZCP tune is a monster. The M2C felt neutered to me when test driving it - that 445 BHP version of the S55 will be a ton of fun in the F87 package.
Dmboone is right. I have the M2 Competition and the engine is definitely neutered. Trying to get a M2 CS.
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Dmboone is right. I have the M2 Competition and the engine is definitely neutered. Trying to get a M2 CS.
Well, you can just get a tune to get it back. Warranty is void but it would take a complete engine failure to match the price difference between the Competition and CS.
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If you expect any M2C owner to disavow their decision, you've lost your mind! Even a guy like Chris Harris feels the need to justify themselves. I've been down this road with many BMW drivers playing down my 1M as just hype. I write most of these off as jealous they didn't buy one.

I had a OG M2 and loved it. Was it worth $15k more then my 1M, yes it was. Do I believe the CS will be worth the extra $25k, yes. You can't pull up to any stop light without seeing 3 other BMW's so for me, exclusivity is worth some amount of money even if it just car people who recognize it.

I had a beautiful E30 M3 that most people thought was just another old BMW, but to car people it was an event and that is kind of fun. NC DMV valued that car at $2,200. Last time I saw it sell it went for $60K. Worth it? I'm sure it was to the guy that bought it.

I'd say buying cars for most of us on this site requires two things, first you have to have a passion for that car and see something you love in it. Secondly, you must have the money and the timing must be right. I planned the purchase of my 135 perfectly timing wise to get a 1M. I did the same thing with the lease of my M4 and purchase of my M2 to get the M2 CS.

Tothe lucky few that get one, yes it will be worth it, to anybody else, no it won't be it's likely that simple.
JHall, have you heard when you can place an order?
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Gen Manager friend at M Dealership said regional BMW NA Rep says Sept or Oct.
Is that the time frame for the F87 or G87 model?

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P.S. Pretty sure Chris could have had a first delivery of CS couple months back if he wanted one . . . his choice of the M2C says all anyone needs to know about what he thinks.

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"A new set of adaptive dampers give a firmer ride on the road, even in the softest setting..."

Pretty unexpected
My thought as well. In comfort mode it is just the opposite. I wonder if he actually drove it?
I reckon he only drove it on track so it would be hard to make the judgement and was going off his M3 experience.
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In all fairness I think it's sometimes difficult for the reviewers to get enough seat time make an overall judgement. In the environment they were in the suspension may not have behaved as it did in other environments. Fortunately we have forum members with cars in hand.

Here's a review with a bold comment referencing the CS to the megane trophy R. The trophy R time is with a factory driver, and I believe the time referenced is the older shorter track. The newer distance had it at a 7:45 and change. I also find it strange to reference 10yr old Porsches.

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/08/bm...d-audi-r8-v10/

My point is that half the reviews will be nonsense. I think Achilles is honest. As is the users who have said it's great, more livable as a daily. Worth the jump from the OG, but less so from the C.

It's a cool capable car that's worth it to some, but be mindful as it's not chump change so there are options abound that could better suit needs.
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In all fairness I think it's sometimes difficult for the reviewers to get enough seat time make an overall judgement. In the environment they were in the suspension may not have behaved as it did in other environments. Fortunately we have forum members with cars in hand.

Here's a review with a bold comment referencing the CS to the megane trophy R. The trophy R time is with a factory driver, and I believe the time referenced is the older shorter track. The newer distance had it at a 7:45 and change. I also find it strange to reference 10yr old Porsches.

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/08/bm...d-audi-r8-v10/

My point is that half the reviews will be nonsense. I think Achilles is honest. As is the users who have said it's great, more livable as a daily. Worth the jump from the OG, but less so from the C.

It's a cool capable car that's worth it to some, but be mindful as it's not chump change so there are options abound that could better suit needs.
Sorry to go somewhat off topic but for the record I own both a trophy-r & an m2. Don't kid yourself, on track my M2 wouldn't see which way my Trophy-R went, On road it's a different story. One is a serious track tool with number plates (1200kg, no radio, no air con, no back seat, crfp plastic fenders, aluminium bonnet, thinner glass, no sound deadening, lithium battery, proper lsd, ohlins suspension with composite coil springs, full floating hats, titanium akrapovic, recaro buckets, harnesses, the list goes on) & all that I just listed is straight from the showroom floor. The other is a 1500kg luxury sports car. They're both great cars in their own right but as always it's a case of "horses for courses".
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Sorry to go somewhat off topic but for the record I own both a trophy-r & an m2. Don't kid yourself, on track my M2 wouldn't see which way my Trophy-R went, On road it's a different story. One is a serious track tool with number plates (1200kg, no radio, no air con, no back seat, crfp plastic fenders, aluminium bonnet, thinner glass, no sound deadening, lithium battery, proper lsd, ohlins suspension with composite coil springs, full floating hats, titanium akrapovic, recaro buckets, harnesses, the list goes on) & all that I just listed is straight from the showroom floor. The other is a 1500kg luxury sports car. They're both great cars in their own right but as always it's a case of "horses for courses".
...but you could just as easily ruin many much cheaper road cars to do the same thing as this car... but faster. I'd classify this under pointless exercise.
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Sorry to go somewhat off topic but for the record I own both a trophy-r & an m2. Don't kid yourself, on track my M2 wouldn't see which way my Trophy-R went, On road it's a different story. One is a serious track tool with number plates (1200kg, no radio, no air con, no back seat, crfp plastic fenders, aluminium bonnet, thinner glass, no sound deadening, lithium battery, proper lsd, ohlins suspension with composite coil springs, full floating hats, titanium akrapovic, recaro buckets, harnesses, the list goes on) & all that I just listed is straight from the showroom floor. The other is a 1500kg luxury sports car. They're both great cars in their own right but as always it's a case of "horses for courses".
Oh wow, I imagined this car as a DD. Had no idea it was a full on race car. Everything is like that from factory?
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Oh wow, I imagined this car as a DD. Had no idea it was a full on race car. Everything is like that from factory?
Yep

https://www.caradvice.com.au/809075/...ophy-r-review/

The 7:40 at the Ring was done using S007A and not Cup2s or R tyres

Just with proper R tyres like Trofeo R, Bridgestone RE-12D, Yoko 050 it is a lethal weapon on short tracks

God bless it has a manual gearbox too
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...but you could just as easily ruin many much cheaper road cars to do the same thing as this car... but faster. I'd classify this under pointless exercise.
This is a car which one can drive straight out of a Renault show room...
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This is a car which one can drive straight out of a Renault show room...
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True, but it is not an M2CS, so . . . it is shit.

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Sorry to go somewhat off topic but for the record I own both a trophy-r & an m2. Don't kid yourself, on track my M2 wouldn't see which way my Trophy-R went, On road it's a different story. One is a serious track tool with number plates (1200kg, no radio, no air con, no back seat, crfp plastic fenders, aluminium bonnet, thinner glass, no sound deadening, lithium battery, proper lsd, ohlins suspension with composite coil springs, full floating hats, titanium akrapovic, recaro buckets, harnesses, the list goes on) & all that I just listed is straight from the showroom floor. The other is a 1500kg luxury sports car. They're both great cars in their own right but as always it's a case of "horses for courses".
Oh wow, I imagined this car as a DD. Had no idea it was a full on race car. Everything is like that from factory?
Yep that's all factory. 1 of 250 released worldwide.
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True, but it is not an M2CS, so . . . it is shit.

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True, but it is not an M2CS, so . . . it is shit.

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I knew it...cause it's only at half the price of the CS
'Pointless' Renault exercise. . .

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Another point to consider, he recommends:
Bilstien suspension kit - $2,000-$5,000 depending on if base PSS10 or clubsport
Akrapovic exhaust - ~$4,400-$4800
And the CS wheels - $3300-$4100

So you'd be in for another ~$14,000 on the high side to close the gap from his view, and still be short the window dressings.
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Sorry to go somewhat off topic but for the record I own both a trophy-r & an m2. Don't kid yourself, on track my M2 wouldn't see which way my Trophy-R went, On road it's a different story. One is a serious track tool with number plates (1200kg, no radio, no air con, no back seat, crfp plastic fenders, aluminium bonnet, thinner glass, no sound deadening, lithium battery, proper lsd, ohlins suspension with composite coil springs, full floating hats, titanium akrapovic, recaro buckets, harnesses, the list goes on) & all that I just listed is straight from the showroom floor. The other is a 1500kg luxury sports car. They're both great cars in their own right but as always it's a case of "horses for courses".
...but you could just as easily ruin many much cheaper road cars to do the same thing as this car... but faster. I'd classify this under pointless exercise.
A pointless exercise....bit like your comment hey ?. As for being ruined that's exactly how it left the factory, I guess a gt3 911 is ruined too then hey ?. It's built for showroom Motorsport which is what I do with it. Sorry but you really shouldn't comment on stuff you know zero about. Tell me when did you drive one ? Fanboys 🙄
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True, but it is not an M2CS, so . . . it is shit.

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I knew it...cause it's only at half the price of the CS
'Pointless' Renault exercise. . .

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Wish BMW had built something so pointless.🙄
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Sorry to go somewhat off topic but for the record I own both a trophy-r & an m2. Don't kid yourself, on track my M2 wouldn't see which way my Trophy-R went, On road it's a different story. One is a serious track tool with number plates (1200kg, no radio, no air con, no back seat, crfp plastic fenders, aluminium bonnet, thinner glass, no sound deadening, lithium battery, proper lsd, ohlins suspension with composite coil springs, full floating hats, titanium akrapovic, recaro buckets, harnesses, the list goes on) & all that I just listed is straight from the showroom floor. The other is a 1500kg luxury sports car. They're both great cars in their own right but as always it's a case of "horses for courses".
That is pretty damn amazing to be able to buy straight off the showroom! What kind of markup over the standard Megane was it? I had the pleasure of driving a Megane RS265 around the Nurburgring a few years back and it was a fabulous car. I was surprised at how well it rotated for a FWD car and the overall grip and behavior of the LSD etc. Great fun.
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Gen Manager friend at M Dealership said regional BMW NA Rep says Sept or Oct.
Is that the time frame for the F87 or G87 model?

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P.S. Pretty sure Chris could have had a first delivery of CS couple months back if he wanted one . . . his choice of the M2C says all anyone needs to know about what he thinks.
True, no doubt. BUT, he bought the M2 C and is happy with it, as he should be. No doubt he is a bit "jaded" by all the great cars he drives. I'm glad he chose to own a BMW M2 whichever model. But again, since he owns a M2 C and spent(we assume) his money on it, he won't have a objective view of its brothers or sisters.

This shouldn't be a battle between the C and CS at all. Both are great and as a IG M2 owner(a Performance Edition) I never felt any animosity towards any other M2 models. Not sure why the M2 C crowd feels so threatened.
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Sorry to go somewhat off topic but for the record I own both a trophy-r & an m2. Don't kid yourself, on track my M2 wouldn't see which way my Trophy-R went, On road it's a different story. One is a serious track tool with number plates (1200kg, no radio, no air con, no back seat, crfp plastic fenders, aluminium bonnet, thinner glass, no sound deadening, lithium battery, proper lsd, ohlins suspension with composite coil springs, full floating hats, titanium akrapovic, recaro buckets, harnesses, the list goes on) & all that I just listed is straight from the showroom floor. The other is a 1500kg luxury sports car. They're both great cars in their own right but as always it's a case of "horses for courses".
That is pretty damn amazing to be able to buy straight off the showroom! What kind of markup over the standard Megane was it? I had the pleasure of driving a Megane RS265 around the Nurburgring a few years back and it was a fabulous car. I was surprised at how well it rotated for a FWD car and the overall grip and behavior of the LSD etc. Great fun.
It was $65k Aus$, my M2 was $85k Aus$ & performance wise the Megane absolutely shits on it. Don't get me wrong the M2 is a lovely road car & the CS even more so but it's never going to compete with a purpose built car such as the 275-R or a Lotus Exige or a Gt3 etc.
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...but you could just as easily ruin many much cheaper road cars to do the same thing as this car... but faster. I'd classify this under pointless exercise.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. Could you take something cheap and make it as light and get it to the same lap times for less. Probably. Could you make it as day and day out reliable and abusable, not a chance. The components on that thing and the bits and pieces they did to get it light and make it fast are not cheap or simple. Going as far as composite springs - whoa. CFRP'ing the fenders. the integrated mounts on the roll cage. There's a lot of attention to detail coming direct off a factory race program it appears. That's nothing to sneeze at.
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