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      08-12-2020, 11:27 PM   #67
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I’m surprised it’s that much slower than the f80 m3 CS?
It's not. Sport Auto never tested the M3cs, but they achieved a 7:42 with the M4cs, albeit they said it's time was hamperd by a very hot test day. The 'ring was also since significantly repaved flatening some bumby sections and making it quicker.
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"7.43 ... meh", consider my front wheel drive hatchback posted a 7.54 in factory stock trim when released in 2014. And the new 2020 version of that same car recently posted a 7.45 when released this year again in stock trim (yes they were both very focused vehicles & indeed both the quickest fwd production cars ever produced at the time) & obviously steered by a pro in ideal conditions as are ALL manufacturers referenced lap times (manufacturers aren't stupid) but it still reinforces how flawed the direction of some manufacturers is in continuing to build bigger & heavier performance cars & just throwing more & more power at them.

Sorry but the M2CS nor any other current BMW for that matter is what you'd call track focused. Yes my M2 is a lovely road car & the CS even more so, however something like an Alpine A110 or Lotus Exige is what I'd consider focused.

Having said that, it still makes for interesting viewing as the Nurburgring is certainly an accurate reference of a cars like for like overall performance capability (at least the manufacturers think so hence why they develop, test & reference their cars' times there).
How better do you accurately evaluate a cars overall performance ?
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So, my big ass saloon is significantly faster on the track than a similarly priced track focused M2 CS

Didn't expect that, but I'll take it
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It came down mostly to price. You could get a 911 for that kind of money.
A 911 GT3 for that kind of money.

Aka, no contest...
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Could you imagine the little m2 with some sticky 305 tires. It would probably suck a lot of the fun out of it, but man it would be quick around a track.
Depends on your definition of fun.

Ask the P car guys if they need to slide in order to have fun OR achieve a good lap time.

The M2, in any iteration, as well as other M cars, is under-tired.
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      08-13-2020, 02:17 AM   #72
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Nurburgring time posts always flush out the weirdos. It's quite comical.
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Yes, I was just wondering how much quicker the time may have been if it wasn't for that little excursion??!!
Id have to watch the video again to see if he got out of the throttle, and if so, how much. That would have made my butthole pucker. I wouldn't think it would cost more than a second unless he was completely off throttle.

Edit: rewatched in slow motion a few times...kinda hilarious. He didn't seem to miss a beat. Accelerometer shows a slight slowdown, but he was back in the throttle while in the grass. Engine rpm barely dipped. If it cost anything it would likely only be .1s maybe.
In situations like that, you can't panic and give up, you have to remain emotionless and in control.. Experience with such situations like that is what builds up one's confidence, for when it actually arises.

I spun off the road before, ended up in the grass. I just did a 360, hit the gas and was back on course, without a scratch. You have to mentally know that the car can handle it, with the right control, which is you!

If I'm at the skirting edge of losing control, at that spilt second before I realize that I done fvcked up, I think to myself; "Hell no, there is no way I'm crashing my car today!" grab the wheel and start beasting it, with either counter-steer and on/off throttle modulation..

Kudos to the driver, he held is own there but who knows, maybe it was the extra 25k for the CS, with extra control the Adaptive Suspension added, is what really saved him - I guess we'll never know..
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Nurburgring time posts always flush out the weirdos. It's quite comical.
It is comical and it's the same thing on every car forum. It's such a weird metric to use to claim one car is better than another. I don't understand how you can compare Nordschleife times that were run on different days, with different drivers, and under different "track" conditions to claim one car is proven "faster" than another. Even during races around Nordschleife, a pro racer's lap times can vary a couple seconds each lap.

It's only non-pros that can't even drive at an elite level that obsess over Ring times that their car might be capable of under the right conditions with the right driver. I can see how it can be fun for entertainment value, but some people take it serious and a truly believe in the lap times and consider them proof of superiority or inferiority.
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Let’s not forget the m2c with about 15k in suspension/aero/tire mods and a tune, ran a 7 12 with Alex Hardt behind the wheel.

These cars have tremendous potential at their price point, and are a much better track weapon starter kits then M3/4 IMO.
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Let’s not forget the m2c with about 15k in suspension/aero/tire mods and a tune, ran a 7 12 with Alex Hardt behind the wheel.

These cars have tremendous potential at their price point, and are a much better track weapon starter kits then M3/4 IMO.
exactly this

It will be interesting to see what m2c racing can do
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7:27.88 M4 GTS
7:32.79 M8 Competition

What am I missing?

Sport Auto lap vs Factory lap. Not apples to apples. Sport Auto did a 7:37 with the GTS, which is slower than what they did with the M8.
Thanks for clarifying.
Still 7:27.88 is the fastest Bmw on Nurburgring.
Regardless some guy who drive 10sec slower than official time
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Let’s not forget the m2c with about 15k in suspension/aero/tire mods and a tune, ran a 7 12 with Alex Hardt behind the wheel.

These cars have tremendous potential at their price point, and are a much better track weapon starter kits then M3/4 IMO.
7:12 to the Audi Sport sign, not all the way to the top, is that right?
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Iirc the m4 gts was very poorly setup on its original outings with the media. Once it was dialed in it performed significantly better, but never returned to the track in the hands of media for lap times.
I hear this here and there on the forums, but is there any substantive data to support it?


That said, Porsche does this better on cars like the GT3 and GT3 RS. They nail the basic settings for suspension & alignment, and manage to include a degree of adjustability for track/comfort via the electronic shocks. M4 GTS totally missed that trick it seems.
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Thanks for clarifying.
Still 7:27.88 is the fastest Bmw on Nurburgring.
Regardless some guy who drive 10sec slower than official time
To be fair, it is Auto Motor und Sport/Sport Auto that instigated the Nurburgring lap times as a yard stick to compare cars. The lap length used today by manufacturers to publish their lap times is the one defined by AMS/SA and is often referred to as the "Sport Auto lap". AMS/SA always use the same driver (IIRC there have only been 2 or 3 drivers doing their 'ring lap time trough time) and they are pro racing drivers, not just "some guy". Further, as I posted previously, to equalize testing, the driver is only allowed one warmup lap and one timed lap for the car being tested. Further, the test cars are completely stock. IMO, it is one interresting yardstick to compare different cars but it is not an absolute, just as any other performance metric.

In oposition, factory test drivers have a lot of seat time in the test car as well as numerous attempts to pull a fast lap. Also, state of tune and modifications are not fully controlled. So for sure, factory lap times will always be faster than AMS/SA supertest times and are difficult to use as reliable metric.

What I take out of the M8 and M4GTS respective AMS/SA times is that it is easier to be fast out of the gate in the 625hp AWD M8 than in the touchier M4GTS.
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Let’s not forget the m2c with about 15k in suspension/aero/tire mods and a tune, ran a 7 12 with Alex Hardt behind the wheel.
That was a BTG lap, you cannot compare the two...
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Let's not forget the m2c with about 15k in suspension/aero/tire mods and a tune, ran a 7 12 with Alex Hardt behind the wheel.

These cars have tremendous potential at their price point, and are a much better track weapon starter kits then M3/4 IMO.
7:12 to the Audi Sport sign, not all the way to the top, is that right?
Bridge to Gantry (BTG) is iirc 19.xx km long so shorter than the 20,8km real NS laptime.

Alex Hardt's M2C has 520PS
But it probably is 5-10s faster on a real normal lap than the M2CS

Put Cuptyres on the M2Comp and you already win >5 s in the same conditions
CS is great but ' just as heavy as a Comp ' in real life. They should have stuck with the passive suspension...

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Bridge to Gantry (BTG) is iirc 19.xx km long so shorter than the 20,8km real NS laptime.

Alex Hardt's M2C has 520PS
But it probably is 5-10s faster on a real normal lap than the M2CS

Put Cuptyres on the M2Comp and you already win >5 s in the same conditions
CS is great but ' just as heavy as a Comp ' in real life. They should have stuck with the passive suspension...

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Based on the AMS/SA measured weights, the M2cs is quite lighter than the M2C...
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CanAut I see that Sport Auto hasn't tested an m3/4 CS but the prior past showed a time of 7:35 from BMW for the m3/4 CS. If the m2 CS is only down on power by around 10bhp, I guess the difference comes down to the larger rubber on the m4 cs?
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Based on the AMS/SA measured weights, the M2cs is quite lighter than the M2C...
In NL/Eu it's not irl. About 35kgs.

1620-1595kg

Even if it was 75kg in theory already on a 1600kg car....

It's nothing irl.
-I have blue brakes and manual seats....

But if I have the chance I'm going to drive @Romo's new M2CS within a few weeks and get back to you

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CanAut I see that Sport Auto hasn't tested an m3/4 CS but the prior past showed a time of 7:35 from BMW for the m3/4 CS. If the m2 CS is only down on power by around 10bhp, I guess the difference comes down to the larger rubber on the m4 cs?
It probably does.
Aerodynamics and it probably weighs more than an M4CS too

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