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      08-12-2020, 11:33 AM   #23
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So a business sedan is still faster than a M2CS...lol
I think there are still a number of sedans faster than the M2CS on the Nurburgring from BMW, Alfa, Tesla, and Porsche.
Disappointing considering how much power it has and how supposedly it's a track focused car. Lol
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Disappointing considering how much power it has and how supposedly it's a track focused car. Lol
I might be misstating, but I believe the Nurburgring favors high HP cars due to the many locations that they can get up to speed. Obviously the other byproduct is being able to get up to speed very quickly.

I'm not sure if the M2 is that great at "getting out of the hole", torque seems modest in these cars. Both C and CS.
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Wonder what BMW's time would have been
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one word - tires
I would definitely like to see a stock competition on cup 2 tires for comparison.
Same here, same driver and same tires on OGM2, M2C & M2CS...and on the same day...that would be interesting
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Help me out here, from what I heard and from media, especially Jeremy Clarkson's review of the m4 gts was not positive. But it's still the fastest BMW here... Anyone can explain why the car was so 'hated' or disliked by the community?
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Not really surprised at the time. You knew the M2 CS would be slower than the M3/M4 CS and of course the M4 GTS as those cars have more horsepower and torque than the M2 CS. We need to commence this allocation process already. The bulletin for model year 2021 came out already.
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Disappointing considering how much power it has and how supposedly it's a track focused car. Lol
Exactly my thoughts!
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I'm impressed with M3 E46 CSL and M4 GTS still holding on.
Still fastest BMW on the ring.
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Help me out here, from what I heard and from media, especially Jeremy Clarkson's review of the m4 gts was not positive. But it's still the fastest BMW here... Anyone can explain why the car was so 'hated' or disliked by the community?
Iirc the m4 gts was very poorly setup on its original outings with the media. Once it was dialed in it performed significantly better, but never returned to the track in the hands of media for lap times.
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Would like to see Jörg Weidinger post a hot lap..
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Driver..
He doesn't strain much.
He just went out for a walk.
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He doesn't strain much.
He just went out for a walk.
It looked like he was targeting a time. I think he was periodically looking down and checking his segment times. Towards the tail end he seemed like he picked up a bit to achieve target.
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Help me out here, from what I heard and from media, especially Jeremy Clarkson's review of the m4 gts was not positive. But it's still the fastest BMW here... Anyone can explain why the car was so 'hated' or disliked by the community?
It came down mostly to price. You could get a 911 for that kind of money.
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Help me out here, from what I heard and from media, especially Jeremy Clarkson's review of the m4 gts was not positive. But it's still the fastest BMW here... Anyone can explain why the car was so 'hated' or disliked by the community?
It came down mostly to price. You could get a 911 for that kind of money.
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Help me out here, from what I heard and from media, especially Jeremy Clarkson's review of the m4 gts was not positive. But it's still the fastest BMW here... Anyone can explain why the car was so 'hated' or disliked by the community?
M4 GTS in EVO Car Of The Year 2016:
"I turn the wipers from frisky to frantic, transfer control of the DCT to the paddles and narrow my focus on the crimson flare of brake lights ahead barely penetrating the spray but almost semaphore active. The ease with which the M2 is keeping up - indeed, is all over - the car in front, without asking much from me, is a surprise. I'll reveal what those flashing tail lights belong to in a moment, but the first intriguing insight of the day is starting to form.
If there wasn't much to get worked up about climbing into the M2 after breakfast - the minimally massaged generic 2-series interior is comfortable,
well-designed, nicely made and easy to see out of - it's starting to work a little magic now, though somewhat against type. With its well documented love of drifting locked out by the traction and stability electronics and my desire not to drop it before a single photo has been taken, a degree of dimensionality and the more nuanced aspects of its chassis' dynamic make-up have dropped away. But not its appetite for speed across the ground, even in these filthy conditions. This will become a recurring theme throughout eCoty 2016, but the bolshie wunderkind from M makes it clear from the outset that it won't be pushed around by the big hitters. Its default position is dogged tenacity, a distillation of grip and efficient use of available grunt that remains effective come what may.
When we park up, a slightly fazed Adam Towler steps out of the M4 GTS that the M2 has just kept such close company with. He gets to the point: 'I genuinely thought the GTS wanted to deposit me in the hedge. The combination of wet roads, dry-biased tyres, that chassis with very quick steering, and the huge initial torque delivery of the engine made it almost undriveable at times, and while scary can be fun, this was just too scary.' Given the quasi-race car setup of the GTS, it would be overstating it to call this a bombshell, but it seems that on a far from smooth and evenly cambered road in slippery conditions, the on-paper £76k and 128bhp gap between the M Division's A game and its entry-level representative can be ripped up. Can't say the M2 was fun, much less a finely layered feast for the senses, but driven purely to exploit its seemingly inexhaustible ability to scavenge grip without obviously favouring the purchase of either end, and to mine the last ounce of effort from its brawny but curiously atonal motor, well, it worked a treat."
"A perfect illustration of how big a difference it can make driving a car on domestic roads in Blighty weather is made by the BMW M4 GTS. As you'll see in the final scores, this is a car that widely split opinion. Many of us hadn't driven the car before, but Henry and Dan had both experienced it on smooth and fast Iberian roads that were baked crisp by hot sun. Both came back in love with the car. My first drive in the GTS was along a wet, undulating, twisty, crusty and very challenging B-road. Turning off the traction control would have resulted in disaster and a terribly embarrassing phone call to BMW. The car, so magnificent on dry, smooth roads, was a liability or these ones."
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Bloody liability. No rear end traction whatsoever. The tyres don’t help, but the big-torque, rapid delivery engine and low-grip-commitment rear axle are a spiteful pairing. You need to be properly on your game if you’re to disable the stability control, which you sort of need to, because even if placed in M Dynamic mode, it’s a bit too keen to get involved, and it does so rather abruptly. I don’t think I’ve ever driven a car with a bigger discrepancy between dry and wet weather behavior.
Bottom line: it’s nearly the same money as a Porsche GT3 RS. Which would you have?
The Porsche every single time, but you’re talking the wrong rival. If Merc does a Black Series C63 Coupe, or even GT Coupe, that’s where this sits. It’s a burlier car than the Porsche. That’s a surgical instrument, a car for picking apart apexes (apices?), this is more of the just-wanna-have-a-good-time type machine."
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I would definitely like to see a stock competition on cup 2 tires for comparison.
...or let's see a stock M2 CS on already outdated Michelin PSS. Even if we assume Cup 2s are only ~1sec quicker on a 2-mile course (which is a conservative number) compared to PSS, it still would mean M2CS would be 6-7sec slower on PSS around Nordschleife.
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Faster than Cayman S !!!! But slower than GT4.

http://www.biggarage.de/info/nuerbur...s-records.html
It is well slower than a 6MT 718 GT4 which in an apples to apples way, from Sport Auto did 7:32. I think the PDK GT4 will do around 7:25.

The M2 CS is also slower than the old 981 GT4 from 2016, which also had a manual, and with Sport Auto ran 7:42.

Overall, good time, but not really great considering what the now 5 year old GT4 did and how much faster the manual 718 GT4 can do.

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It came down mostly to price. You could get a 911 for that kind of money.
Or, a more special car than the M2CS or a regular 911, in the 718 GT4.
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Overall, good time, but not really great considering what the now 5 year old GT4 did and how much faster the manual 718 GT4 can do.
You're right.
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It is well slower than a 6MT 718 GT4 which in an apples to apples way, from Sport Auto did 7:32. I think the PDK GT4 will do around 7:25.

The M2 CS is also slower than the old 981 GT4 from 2016, which also had a manual, and with Sport Auto ran 7:42.

Overall, good time, but not really great considering what the now 5 year old GT4 did and how much faster the manual 718 GT4 can do.



Or, a more special car than the M2CS or a regular 911, in the 718 GT4.

Except that if you really compare on price, the 981 GT4 used is about what the CS costs in the states, and the 718 is a good 30k more by the time you actually make it to the dotted line. So as of "today" the performance per dollar is the same then by this measure.

You can't buy any 911 but used for anywhere near CS money.
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