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      09-05-2020, 04:23 AM   #45
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Manual M2C owner here, a choice that i sort of regret.

Shift action is light kinda rubbery, more in tune with typical last decade japanese 4 cyl., not mechanical feeling in a Z4M fashion which is how I expected it to be.

Clutch delay action also numbs the experience, enhances a feel of turbo lag. I had my CDV removed from my z4M in 2011, I don't even remember how it felt with it on to compare. Car feels as if it has a giant flywheel or something.

I have never driven a 1M, but i have driven a manual e92 and that felt satisfying, better than a z4M shift. I think those two and the M2 supposedly share the manual transmission, they do feel very different though.

I owned an e89 z435 w/DCT for three years and i miss the 7th gear. Very often I go searching for a 7th with the M2C, it's kind of annoying.

The M2 CS is a purer bred car I think it should carry the best bits available DCT plus carbon ceramic brakes.

I was in the camp that would lament the demise of the the manual transmission, the truth is though that the DCT is being phased out and i do miss that.

Next generation will be offered as a manual and probably with a torque converter as well.

Disclaimer: My favorite transmission is the e46 smg.
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Disclaimer: My favorite transmission is the e46 smg.
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Manual M2C owner here, a choice that i sort of regret.

Shift action is light kinda rubbery, more in tune with typical last decade japanese 4 cyl., not mechanical feeling in a Z4M fashion which is how I expected it to be.

Clutch delay action also numbs the experience, enhances a feel of turbo lag. I had my CDV removed from my z4M in 2011, I don't even remember how it felt with it on to compare. Car feels as if it has a giant flywheel or something.

I have never driven a 1M, but i have driven a manual e92 and that felt satisfying, better than a z4M shift. I think those two and the M2 supposedly share the manual transmission, they do feel very different though.

I owned an e89 z435 w/DCT for three years and i miss the 7th gear. Very often I go searching for a 7th with the M2C, it's kind of annoying.

The M2 CS is a purer bred car I think it should carry the best bits available DCT plus carbon ceramic brakes.

I was in the camp that would lament the demise of the the manual transmission, the truth is though that the DCT is being phased out and i do miss that.

Next generation will be offered as a manual and probably with a torque converter as well.

Disclaimer: My favorite transmission is the e46 smg.
Get an autosolutions SSK, UCP and CDV delete and all your manual transmission woes will go away.
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Get an autosolutions SSK, UCP and CDV delete and all your manual transmission woes will go away.
This is what I am thinking. I'm going to drive it a bit first to see how things go, but I'm gearing up for these modifications.
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Manual M2C owner here, a choice that i sort of regret.

Shift action is light kinda rubbery, more in tune with typical last decade japanese 4 cyl., not mechanical feeling in a Z4M fashion which is how I expected it to be.

Clutch delay action also numbs the experience, enhances a feel of turbo lag. I had my CDV removed from my z4M in 2011, I don't even remember how it felt with it on to compare. Car feels as if it has a giant flywheel or something.

I have never driven a 1M, but i have driven a manual e92 and that felt satisfying, better than a z4M shift. I think those two and the M2 supposedly share the manual transmission, they do feel very different though.

I owned an e89 z435 w/DCT for three years and i miss the 7th gear. Very often I go searching for a 7th with the M2C, it's kind of annoying.

The M2 CS is a purer bred car I think it should carry the best bits available DCT plus carbon ceramic brakes.

I was in the camp that would lament the demise of the the manual transmission, the truth is though that the DCT is being phased out and i do miss that.

Next generation will be offered as a manual and probably with a torque converter as well.

Disclaimer: My favorite transmission is the e46 smg.
No doubt the DCT is an amazing trans. I had one in my M4 and it will do things n driver can do speed wise and otherwise.
But as a old man who grew up with manuals being the performance choice, it's hard to turn my back on the dying breed. I'm pretty sure we will always have manuals but they are become much more rare.
Glad someone likes the SMG! You can buy those cars at a discount so you will be a happy man, at least until you need to repair one.
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Grew up driving manuals since back in the homeland automatics are almost non existent and when they do offer them, they are very expensive. So driving in bumper to bumper traffic etc is normal
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Manual M2C owner here, a choice that i sort of regret.
Same and this is why I ordered my CS in DCT. BMW makes an incredible DCT and a terrible Manual. The choice was easy for me.
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Ours might be one of the last DCT since the new M3/M4 uses ZF auto. Iím sure the new M3 will be great but why not further develop the DCT.
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but why not further develop the DCT.
Curious on that as well. I believe they said their logic was that the AT can handle torque better. But then again, I used to work at a shop that rebuilt GT-R DCT transmissions for high high HP/torque applications too so...
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If it's definitely not a track car I'd gear towards a stick but they're both fun. If you have a few other manual cars including the 1M I would think about the dct. Trust your gut instinct
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If it's definitely not a track car I'd gear towards a stick but they're both fun. If you have a few other manual cars including the 1M I would think about the dct. Trust your gut instinct
I'd did trust my instinct!

Ordered a manual to go along with my manual 1M and manual Z4M Coupe.
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My order is in with a DCT, it looks like this may be the last BMW available with it and figured I'd get one while I still can. 6MT will be available next model and I'd definitely go that way if the other option was the ZF8.
You have a point.
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My order is in with a DCT, it looks like this may be the last BMW available with it and figured I'd get one while I still can. 6MT will be available next model and I'd definitely go that way if the other option was the ZF8.
You have a point.
Agreed. I'm surprised the DCT had been abandoned, and want to have one.
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DCT no regrets. It will also be the last M with a DCT option.
Save the DCT.
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So I currently have a DCT M2C and a Type-R. Thinking of the CS manual in the future but never driven the manual on an M2C. I had an opportunity to do so just this evening and I am not happy with how the manual feels including how hard the clutch engagement is. Comparing to my Type-R tranny I would confidently say the M2C manual is crap. I'm sticking with DCT unless M2CS manual got overhauled.
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MT for sure. It's epic that BMW is actually offering the MT is a CS variant. I guarantee you in 10 years, people will be fondly recalling the M2CS with the manual, not the DCT (as good as it is).

GL with your decision and congrats on the CS.
This will be the last model with a DCT. Manuals keep coming.
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MT for sure. It's epic that BMW is actually offering the MT is a CS variant. I guarantee you in 10 years, people will be fondly recalling the M2CS with the manual, not the DCT (as good as it is).

GL with your decision and congrats on the CS.
This will be the last model with a DCT. Manuals keep coming.
Autos will keep being faster and faster too . Who wants an E46 with SMG nowadays.. the achilles heel of the E46 CSL is the gearbox .. in some years , the DCT will feel slow in comparison.
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So I currently have a DCT M2C and a Type-R. Thinking of the CS manual in the future but never driven the manual on an M2C. I had an opportunity to do so just this evening and I am not happy with how the manual feels including how hard the clutch engagement is. Comparing to my Type-R tranny I would confidently say the M2C manual is crap. I'm sticking with DCT unless M2CS manual got overhauled.
I think you can address the clutch engagement with a clutch stopper no?
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I think you can address the clutch engagement with a clutch stopper no?
Regarding engagement of the M2C clutch. I am just not talking about travel but also how hard to push and control it in comparison to my current Type-R. Maybe I'm just being a wuss or old age but I just don't see myself having fun with it when driving it for long period of time. DCT for sure.
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Regarding engagement of the M2C clutch. I am just not talking about travel but also how hard to push and control it in comparison to my current Type-R. Maybe I'm just being a wuss or old age but I just don't see myself having fun with it when driving it for long period of time. DCT for sure.
Nobody every really goes back and says that a 20 or 30 year old car's experience is "ruined" by the notchy, difficult, or heavy/vague throws of the manuals. Part of the character and experience that go with the manual. While the DCT is high performing, it is simply clinical. Much about cars in the long run is the emotional experience. If you are buying the car to have the fastest track option, or you don't like a manual in traffic etc. That makes sense to me. However, the comments I've seen around "the last DCT that BMW will make", I personally think "nobody is ever going to care". That's like saying "it was the last 6 speed auto they made before the 8 speed ZF came out". It is still for all intents and purposes in the driving experience an automatic transmission - there isn't a skill required of the driver to execute it, and the tactile sensations are much less.

Point being, the manual, even when "not great" still holds more experience for the driver than the best auto style box regardless of technological underpinning.
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