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      09-16-2020, 10:01 AM   #1
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Brake pad upgrade( need advise)

Hello folks,

Upgrading my stock brakes to the red 2nh m sport Red calipers soon.

Figured Iíd get a new set of brake pads too. Never messed with anything but factory pads before.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good pad for street use mostly but also a few days of auto cross every year?

Much appreciated!
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      09-16-2020, 10:36 AM   #2
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Stock pads are more than adequate for street use and some autocross. Been there done that. Brakes simply don't get hot enough at autox to warrant track pads. In fact, that would be the last thing you want since initial/cold bite is crucial during autox. In my experience, no pads out there have better cold bite than the stock pads.
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Stock pads are more than adequate for street use and some autocross. Been there done that. Brakes simply don't get hot enough at autox to warrant track pads. In fact, that would be the last thing you want since initial/cold bite is crucial during autox. In my experience, no pads out there have better cold bite than the stock pads.
I agree that the stock pads are excellent, as is the stock brake package as a whole.

Just wondering if there is anything a little better with perhaps less dust, but still an everyday type pad.
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      09-17-2020, 06:43 AM   #4
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The Ferodo DS2500 could be an option depending on your needs.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1741881
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The Ferodo DS2500 could be an option depending on your needs.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1741881
Had Ferodo 2500 on my e46 M3. Lots of squealing, slightly less dust than stock, nowhere near the initial bite of stock.

If the OP is looking for pads that offer same or similar initial bite to stock, I'm afraid they don't exist. Like, for real, they don't exist. I tried many over the years and none could match the initial bite of the OE pads.

Having said that, the only pads I personally came across that resembled the stock one were the Axxis Ultimate pads. Most pads with good initial bite will be dusty. That's the nature of the game. Some may be slightly less dusty than stock, but then you're splitting hair. Your wheels will accumulate the same amount of dust, but it may take a few more days. Either way they'll be dirty and require a wash. I personally don't mind brake dust. IMO, it makes any wheel look better lol
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Had Ferodo 2500 on my e46 M3. Lots of squealing, slightly less dust than stock, nowhere near the initial bite of stock.

If the OP is looking for pads that offer same or similar initial bite to stock, I'm afraid they don't exist. Like, for real, they don't exist. I tried many over the years and none could match the initial bite of the OE pads.

Having said that, the only pads I personally came across that resembled the stock one were the Axxis Ultimate pads. Most pads with good initial bite will be dusty. That's the nature of the game. Some may be slightly less dusty than stock, but then you're splitting hair. Your wheels will accumulate the same amount of dust, but it may take a few more days. Either way they'll be dirty and require a wash. I personally don't mind brake dust. IMO, it makes any wheel look better lol

Cheers man! I appreciate your feedback.

The stocks are awesome. Havenít felt the need to switch them after doing several autoX days, with a couple VIR days as well.

If I ever get real serious about abusing this car Iíll probably just get some stop techs or something.

Iím going to stick to stock then
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      09-17-2020, 05:24 PM   #7
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The Ferodo DS2500 could be an option depending on your needs.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1741881
Had Ferodo 2500 on my e46 M3. Lots of squealing, slightly less dust than stock, nowhere near the initial bite of stock.

If the OP is looking for pads that offer same or similar initial bite to stock, I'm afraid they don't exist. Like, for real, they don't exist. I tried many over the years and none could match the initial bite of the OE pads.

Having said that, the only pads I personally came across that resembled the stock one were the Axxis Ultimate pads. Most pads with good initial bite will be dusty. That's the nature of the game. Some may be slightly less dusty than stock, but then you're splitting hair. Your wheels will accumulate the same amount of dust, but it may take a few more days. Either way they'll be dirty and require a wash. I personally don't mind brake dust. IMO, it makes any wheel look better lol
My DS2500s make zero noise and feel pretty damn close to stock (plus less dust). Maybe it's not the same for the E46?
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My DS2500s make zero noise and feel pretty damn close to stock (plus less dust). Maybe it's not the same for the E46?
So whatís the pros over stock?
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He's also using the 2NH brakes. So makes me wonder how standard brakes with DS2500 compare to 2NH brakes with OEM pads. As well if DS2500 would be too much for street/autocross on 2NH.
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The Ferodo DS2500 could be an option depending on your needs.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1741881
Had Ferodo 2500 on my e46 M3. Lots of squealing, slightly less dust than stock, nowhere near the initial bite of stock.

If the OP is looking for pads that offer same or similar initial bite to stock, I'm afraid they don't exist. Like, for real, they don't exist. I tried many over the years and none could match the initial bite of the OE pads.

Having said that, the only pads I personally came across that resembled the stock one were the Axxis Ultimate pads. Most pads with good initial bite will be dusty. That's the nature of the game. Some may be slightly less dusty than stock, but then you're splitting hair. Your wheels will accumulate the same amount of dust, but it may take a few more days. Either way they'll be dirty and require a wash. I personally don't mind brake dust. IMO, it makes any wheel look better lol
My DS2500s make zero noise and feel pretty damn close to stock (plus less dust). Maybe it's not the same for the E46?
Could be. I couldn't shut them up, despite properly bedding them in. The loudest street pad I ever used. Dust was similar to stock. Cold bite wasn't there like stock.
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Endless MX72+ blows stock out of the water, can handle temps very well for fast road, works excellent when cold and doesnít make noise for day to day use. 1 negative.. very expensive
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Endless MX72+ blows stock out of the water, can handle temps very well for fast road, works excellent when cold and doesnít make noise for day to day use. 1 negative.. very expensive
Thanks Iíll check them out
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Try Pagid RSL 29.. great pads but more for track use than anything else.. stock with your calipers is fine in my honest opinion
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So whatís the pros over stock?
Longevity, less dust, slightly better initial bite. Ability to swap over to DS1.11's for track duty without a rebed.
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We've supplied many thousands of sets of Ferodo DS2500 across all the popular enthusiast chassis over the years. Every once in a blue moon we hear complaints about noise. Most of the time, the owner hasn't bed them in properly, which leads to squeal. Occasionally, there is some type of frequency/vibration present on that particularly car that leads to the squeal. We see this other pad brands on other cars as well. It's extremely rare, but it does happen. In those cases, the same owner puts them on another car and they are dead silent. This is why you see so many OEM pads these days with big weights hanging off of them. Those are vibration dampers.

Overall though, I'd say the noise complaints among our overall sample size are in the low single digits...something like 3-5% maybe? It's typically just not an issue with the DS2500. As others note, they are indeed the best street/autoX combo pad on the market. They have great modulation, a very high max operating temperature, easy to bed-in, and they're are also super easy on discs. It is a fantastic, versatile compound.
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I am running DS2500 on 2NH brakes and the noise is way lower than stock brakes. Pretty much silent. My stock pads squeaks all the time maybe because it was degrading from track days.
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I am running DS2500 on 2NH brakes and the noise is way lower than stock brakes. Pretty much silent. My stock pads squeaks all the time maybe because it was degrading from track days.
Sometimes you just need to re-bed the pads to make the squeak go away. Over time while driving the brakes cold on the street, the pad material that transferred to the disc is scraped away. A good re-bedding will put another layer of pad material on the discs to buffer noise.
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How about the BMW Sport pads that appear to be available for both the blue and the 2NH set ups?
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