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      12-10-2019, 09:36 AM   #639
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MSRP of overpriced BMW parts. Agreed that the premium comes from paying for factory parts, which are most often more expensive than the aftermarket. And not necessarily better. I have no experience with Mperformance parts so can not speak to how they compare to aftermarket.
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MSRP of overpriced BMW parts. Agreed that the premium comes from paying for factory parts, which are most often more expensive than the aftermarket. And not necessarily better. I have no experience with Mperformance parts so can not speak to how they compare to aftermarket.
Just realized you're from CLT. Small world. Perhaps I'll see your driving around in yours!
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      12-10-2019, 09:57 AM   #641
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I hope so, but we'll see where pricing lands. If you ever see an ultra blue f-type running around, then it's likely me. What part of Charlotte are you in?
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I hope so, but we'll see where pricing lands. If you ever see an ultra blue f-type running around, then it's likely me. What part of Charlotte are you in?
I live down in Steele Creek by Top Golf, but work up in Huntersville. I'm at every C&C we have, so if you ever go and have seen an orange M2C, thats me. You?
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I'm down just south of Southpark, but work up at Atrium off Morehead. Had a BMW when first moved to Charlotte. Rear-ended and totaled 3 weeks later. Hoping to get back into one. I also like that there seems to be a strong BMW chapter community around Charlotte that I hope to get involved with once I put a BMW in the garage.
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I live down in Steele Creek by Top Golf, but work up in Huntersville. I'm at every C&C we have, so if you ever go and have seen an orange M2C, thats me. You?
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I'm down just south of Southpark, but work up at Atrium off Morehead. Had a BMW when first moved to Charlotte. Rear-ended and totaled 3 weeks later. Hoping to get back into one. I also like that there seems to be a strong BMW chapter community around Charlotte that I hope to get involved with once I put a BMW in the garage.
I work in Charlotte also, like 10 mins away from Hendrick BMW

Conissah, the only time I spotted an orange M2C was at the M Town tour event. Maybe that was you.
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I work in Charlotte also, like 10 mins away from Hendrick BMW

Conissah, the only time I spotted an orange M2C was at the M Town tour event. Maybe that was you.
Lol small world. And no, that was not me. Haven't had the privilege of taking it to any BMW or Euro events yet. Only had the car 2 months.
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      12-10-2019, 02:42 PM   #646
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Leaked photo of BMW accountants at a round-table, attempting to figure out what exactly to charge the US market for the new M2 CS.. :
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      12-10-2019, 03:01 PM   #647
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I honestly view the CS to the rest of the M2's as I do a Rubicon Jeep to other trim level Jeeps. You are paying for the manufacturer to parts on it for you, it just so happens that this 'parts added' car is limited production.
Even though they are completely different vehicles, I like the comparison of the M2 CS to the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon

The main advantage of the Rubicon over other trim levels is that it comes from the factory with front and rear locking differentials

For those who actually take their vehicles off-road, lockers are worth their weight in gold

If you're looking to buy a Wrangler to primarily cruise around town with the top off and will rarely, if ever, take it off-road then you would probably be better off buying a different Wrangler than the Rubicon

However, if you want and/or need a more capable 4x4, then the Rubicon starts to make a lot more sense

Aftermarket lockers are expensive to add, require a good installer and are generally not as reliable as factory offerings

Then again, if you're a really hard-core off-roader who plans to do extensive mods and run huge tires, then the Rubicon's D44 axles probably won't be strong enough anyway so might as well buy a less expensive Wrangler and put the money saved towards even beefier axles (such as D60s)

The same type of arguments could be made for the M2 CS

Do you want and/or need things on your M2 the such as the carbon fiber roof, the M adaptive suspension or the Merino leather that would be a bit more challenging to add later on to a M2 C with the same fit, finish and quality as the factory?

Then perhaps the M2 CS is for you

Are you a track rat and likely to gut the interior, install a roll cage, ditch the adaptive suspension, or whatever in search of faster lap times?

Then the M2 CS makes less sense as a starting point unless cost is little to no object

In the end, there is no right answer for everyone
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      12-10-2019, 03:05 PM   #648
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Even though they are completely different vehicles, I like the comparison of the M2 CS to the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon

Do you want and/or need things on your M2 the such as the carbon fiber roof, the M adaptive suspension or the Merino leather that would be a bit more challenging to add later on to a M2 C with the same fit, finish and quality as the factory?

In the end, there is no right answer for everyone
And the great thing about the Rubicon and the CS, is since the majority of owners will never be taking either to their full potential, whether it be on the trail or on a track, it's all covered under warranty.
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I live down in Steele Creek by Top Golf, but work up in Huntersville. I'm at every C&C we have, so if you ever go and have seen an orange M2C, thats me. You?
Charlotte thread jack!!!! HS m2c here scaring the shit out of the uptown population on a daily basis here.

Would love to check out a local c&c haven’t been yet.
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Charlotte thread jack!!!! HS m2c here scaring the shit out of the uptown population on a daily basis here.

Would love to check out a local c&c haven’t been yet.
I live less than a mile from where it's held. Usually a very good turnout. The one in Nov had a full carbon Senna come out, was super cool. Lot's of M cars, but usually no M2's. Let's do it in January!
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      12-10-2019, 06:01 PM   #651
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I honestly view the CS to the rest of the M2's as I do a Rubicon Jeep to other trim level Jeeps. You are paying for the manufacturer to parts on it for you, it just so happens that this 'parts added' car is limited production.
Even though they are completely different vehicles, I like the comparison of the M2 CS to the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon

The main advantage of the Rubicon over other trim levels is that it comes from the factory with front and rear locking differentials

For those who actually take their vehicles off-road, lockers are worth their weight in gold

If you're looking to buy a Wrangler to primarily cruise around town with the top off and will rarely, if ever, take it off-road then you would probably be better off buying a different Wrangler than the Rubicon

However, if you want and/or need a more capable 4x4, then the Rubicon starts to make a lot more sense

Aftermarket lockers are expensive to add, require a good installer and are generally not as reliable as factory offerings

Then again, if you're a really hard-core off-roader who plans to do extensive mods and run huge tires, then the Rubicon's D44 axles probably won't be strong enough anyway so might as well buy a less expensive Wrangler and put the money saved towards even beefier axles (such as D60s)

The same type of arguments could be made for the M2 CS

Do you want and/or need things on your M2 the such as the carbon fiber roof, the M adaptive suspension or the Merino leather that would be a bit more challenging to add later on to a M2 C with the same fit, finish and quality as the factory?

Then perhaps the M2 CS is for you

Are you a track rat and likely to gut the interior, install a roll cage, ditch the adaptive suspension, or whatever in search of faster lap times?

Then the M2 CS makes less sense as a starting point unless cost is little to no object

In the end, there is no right answer for everyone
I will say it, it fits my persona for what I'm looking for...
1. Someone who will never take it to the track
2. Want something "special" (I know that we have debated whether it is special or not to ad nauseam)
3. Like the merino seats
4. Like the adaptive suspension
5. Need the ability to seat 2 in the backseat in a pinch
6. Don't want to pay $100K plus for a "base" 911
7. Want a vehicle to hold for a long time

Some may argue why not just go for a M2C. I may consider one if I can't get an allocation. But I do like the new additions to the M2CS.

However, this price hold out and tease is having me reconsider and look at something like the Lexus LS500. Yes, completely different cars, but based on depreciation, it's at $75K for very low mileage. In addition, the quality and looks are punching way above its weight. And lastly, based on Lexus' reliability, if any luxury coupe is going to last a long time, it's this.

Hey, my selections and wants do not have to make sense. I just have to like it
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      12-10-2019, 07:36 PM   #652
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@JCZ5 I hear you 100%. I want what I want, and that's enough for me. If I don't get a CS, I may get a LR Defender any go a completely different direction. Buy what floats your boat and enjoy the fact that this moment affords you the luxury. You never know what tomorrow brings. I really want to go electric, but feel like we are on the cusp of a gigantic leap forward. The I4 looks promising.
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Charlotte thread jack!!!! HS m2c here scaring the shit out of the uptown population on a daily basis here.

Would love to check out a local c&c haven’t been yet.
We run the Roval every year....will co sponsor with Jzilla Aug 15 2020. The M2 loves to terrorize the Dodge Hellkittens ...come play
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We run the Roval every year....will co sponsor with Jzilla Aug 15 2020. The M2 loves to terrorize the Dodge Hellkittens ...come play
Now you have my attention. Love the Roval, used to live right beside the speedway (literally walked to the Nascar races).
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If the M2 Comp didn't exist with the recent S55 swap. Everyone would say the CS pricing makes sense, because it got the M motor/cooling and base M2 has a N55. But the M2 Comp replaced the N55 M2 and only got a $5k bump, with a motor swap and air to water cooling...that makes CS pricing look high.
This.
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If the M2 Comp didn't exist with the recent S55 swap. Everyone would say the CS pricing makes sense, because it got the M motor/cooling and base M2 has a N55. But the M2 Comp replaced the N55 M2 and only got a $5k bump, with a motor swap and air to water cooling...that makes CS pricing look high.
spot on. even at 84k the m2cs pricing is well worth it *if* we want all those carbon bits and at the power from factory and the exclusivity. but we already have the engine, the chassis and other proper M bits on the m2c so good on BMW part for making the car available at every price point
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I work in Charlotte also, like 10 mins away from Hendrick BMW

Conissah, the only time I spotted an orange M2C was at the M Town tour event. Maybe that was you.
Lol small world. And no, that was not me. Haven't had the privilege of taking it to any BMW or Euro events yet. Only had the car 2 months.
So I've been watching and reading because I plan to get a CS when they are released. A lot of talk about $83k being too much.
Today I turned in my '17 M4 and the dealership had 5 M cars in show room. The M2C was $71k and the X3M was $81k! You think a M2CS at $83,000 is too high? The M4CS was $107k and don't even mention the M5 Jahre at $140! Pretty sure the CS at $83 will still be a awesome drivers sports car!
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So I've been watching and reading because I plan to get a CS when they are released. A lot of talk about $83k being too much.
Today I turned in my '17 M4 and the dealership had 5 M cars in show room. The M2C was $71k and the X3M was $81k! You think a M2CS at $83,000 is too high? The M4CS was $107k and don't even mention the M5 Jahre at $140! Pretty sure the CS at $83 will still be a awesome drivers sports car!
M4's are a lot more than M2's, so that's to be expected. Hell the dealer near me has a couple M4CS's on the lot for well into the 6 figures.

IDK what options / M Perf parts that M2C had, but it must've been a lot... My 6mt M2C with the $550 Sunset Orange Color and $1200 Exec Package came out to $60,650. I paid a heck of a lot less than that, but $11k in 'upgrades' is steep.
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M4's are a lot more than M2's, so that's to be expected. Hell the dealer near me has a couple M4CS's on the lot for well into the 6 figures.

IDK what options / M Perf parts that M2C had, but it must've been a lot... My 6mt M2C with the $550 Sunset Orange Color and $1200 Exec Package came out to $60,650. I paid a heck of a lot less than that, but $11k in 'upgrades' is steep.
Well DCT and moonroof = an additional 4K, and many lot cars have those to begin with. A few more CF parts, especially if one of those parts was the MPE, it's easier to get there than you might think.
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Well, one week later and the price has already dropped ~$5K . . . hard to believe nobody on this forum has swooped this baby up yet.

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