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      11-25-2018, 08:04 PM   #133
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Recommendation for the following-

Stage 1 car (tune for 94 octane)
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12+ track days per year. 22-30min sessions. Hot weather in the summer. High speed track (Mosport)
Other mods are bbk and sticky tires. Experienced driver who wants to run the entire sessions with no heat soak

Car is a DD outside of track days
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Recommendation for the following-

Stage 1 car (tune for 94 octane)
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12+ track days per year. 22-30min sessions. Hot weather in the summer. High speed track (Mosport)
Other mods are bbk and sticky tires. Experienced driver who wants to run the entire sessions with no heat soak

Car is a DD outside of track days
Wagner EVO I Competition or VRSF 5" High density
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Well, yea, but I don't think that's an issue. I think the car would just let more boost in to make up for it.

If you bring this up because of turbo lag due to a larger intercooler, it isn't pressure drop that causes that. It's that the larger intercooler takes longer to fill before passing the air to the engine.
Thanks Just wanted to clarify the meaning of "pressure drop."
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So is this wager still on or what?
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Wagner EVO I Competition or VRSF 5" High density
Looking for a recommendation. Currently undecided between the Wagner Evo 1 and Evo 2 Competition. Want tube and fin for light weights.

Mods:
Stock turbo (probably never gonna upgrade)
Stock downpipe (maybe will upgrade to sport cat one day, but fear the noise)
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Eventuri Intake
Bootmod3 Stg 1 or Stg2 93 octane

I'm gonna experiment with both tunes. I know it says Stg2 needs a downpipe, but I plan on flashing it and looking at the logs to see what's up. Also may switch back to stock tune for winter. My driving is mostly street and some woodsy curvy roads for fun. I live in Pennsylvania and 1-2 months per year we will see 100f somedays, so I'm not in a really hot climate.
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Looking for a recommendation. Currently undecided between the Wagner Evo 1 and Evo 2 Competition. Want tube and fin for light weights.

Mods:
Stock turbo (probably never gonna upgrade)
Stock downpipe (maybe will upgrade to sport cat one day, but fear the noise)
MPE
Eventuri Intake
Bootmod3 Stg 1 or Stg2 93 octane

I'm gonna experiment with both tunes. I know it says Stg2 needs a downpipe, but I plan on flashing it and looking at the logs to see what's up. Also may switch back to stock tune for winter. My driving is mostly street and some woodsy curvy roads for fun. I live in Pennsylvania and 1-2 months per year we will see 100f somedays, so I'm not in a really hot climate.
If you are going to be running stage 2 maps (you will need a downpipe), get Wagner EVO II for best results
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So is this wager still on or what?
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      12-11-2018, 11:44 PM   #141
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As a starting point for reference:
1) What is the weight of your intercooler? CSF's is +/- 30 pounds
2) What is the height of the front face of the VRSF intercooler? CSF is 9.41 inches tall
3) How many rows of cooling bar/plate stack height do you have on your core? CSF has 17 rows
4) What is the thickness of the bottom core? CSF is 5.5 inches thick (not 6.5 inches thick)
5) You can confirm there is no modifications to install your intercooler? full plug and play like the CSF.


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Been waiting for answers since I posted..

When it comes to a real "race car" intercooler - you would have to be pretty foolish to hang over 40 pounds off the front of your car. We can't even get simple answers to simple questions it's not just about a single 2-3-4 pull...We wanted to do full testing with a variable dyno and actual road testing. I reached out through many channels. no response.
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Been waiting for answers since I posted..

When it comes to a real "race car" intercooler - you would have to be pretty foolish to hang over 40 pounds off the front of your car. We can't even get simple answers to simple questions it's not just about a single 2-3-4 pull...We wanted to do full testing with a variable dyno and actual road testing. I reached out through many channels. no response.
I apologize for the delay! We're in the middle of moving our shop down to our new Miami location. I have logs from 1 installed comparison so far, just waiting on the other 2.

Rather than waiting for CSF to agree on testers we just purchased multiple intercoolers and sent them to customers. We want at least 3 independent reviewers that hold repute on this platform to negate the idea of brand preference.
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I apologize for the delay! We're in the middle of moving our shop down to our new Miami location. I have logs from 1 installed comparison so far, just waiting on the other 2.

Rather than waiting for CSF to agree on testers we just purchased multiple intercoolers and sent them to customers. We want at least 3 independent reviewers that hold repute on this platform to negate the idea of brand preference.
Wow that's great to hear! I'm looking forward to seeing the results.

Hope you guys can get race track data too, and data on the HD street cores as not many of us track guys use the race cores.
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I'm interested to know about the results as well. As the FMIC is my next mod
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I apologize for the delay! We're in the middle of moving our shop down to our new Miami location. I have logs from 1 installed comparison so far, just waiting on the other 2.

Rather than waiting for CSF to agree on testers we just purchased multiple intercoolers and sent them to customers. We want at least 3 independent reviewers that hold repute on this platform to negate the idea of brand preference.
And so what tests exactly are these customers performing?
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And so what tests exactly are these customers performing?
We don't have the opportunity to conduct and fund significant testing for multiple intercoolers so we'll have to settle on the original wager details which was strictly based on intake temp reduction over one gear. We'll also including a 2-5 gear pull along with cool down logs.
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Seeing as this is the Ultimate intercooler thread, what are the opinions of the new Mishimoto n55 cooler. i don't see how the angled top half of the cooler is effective, as it seems to block air flow to the cooler through the kidney grills, or maybe I'm wrong.
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Seeing as this is the Ultimate intercooler thread, what are the opinions of the new Mishimoto n55 cooler. i don't see how the angled top half of the cooler is effective, as it seems to block air flow to the cooler through the kidney grills, or maybe I'm wrong.
Did Mishimoto release their F chassis intercooler?
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Seeing as this is the Ultimate intercooler thread, what are the opinions of the new Mishimoto n55 cooler. i don't see how the angled top half of the cooler is effective, as it seems to block air flow to the cooler through the kidney grills, or maybe I'm wrong.
Did Mishimoto release their F chassis intercooler?
They're accepting pre orders. Requires modifying the front brace though. Terrible design imo when so many other options are plug and play
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Noting that this is an IC rather than CC thread, has anyone tried fitting the S55 CC plumbing to an N55 without - physically - changing anything else? BMW presumably went to the trouble for valid engineering reasons rather than model differentiation, so I'm interested in the result.

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Noting that this is an IC rather than CC thread, has anyone tried fitting the S55 CC plumbing to an N55 without - physically - changing anything else? BMW presumably went to the trouble for valid engineering reasons rather than model differentiation, so I'm interested in the result.
There was a guy who did it on the E series 135i, there's a thread around somewhere his name is jrturboawd. He did have to Fab up some stuff through, but the s55 air/water intercooler did fit directly onto the n55.
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We don't have the opportunity to conduct and fund significant testing for multiple intercoolers so we'll have to settle on the original wager details which was strictly based on intake temp reduction over one gear. We'll also including a 2-5 gear pull along with cool down logs.
Well since you guys paid for the coolers, wouldn't it be fair for CSF to cover testing cost? Because as an end user this is the opportunity for us to see all aspects of performance, because if the cooler can only drop IAT's while it blocks flow to the other radiators in the car, or heats soaks over time that wouldn't be optimal for track guys.
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I'm currently running with a fabspeed sportcat, MPE and a drop in filter. I'm looking to add an FMIC and chargepipes to run with a stg2 tune. Will the CSF introduce any additional turbo lag? Any downsides to it and/or should I be looking at a different one? My local mech. is offering me a CSF along with VRSF pipes, wondering if that will be my best bet or not.
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Well since you guys paid for the coolers, wouldn't it be fair for CSF to cover testing cost? Because as an end user this is the opportunity for us to see all aspects of performance, because if the cooler can only drop IAT's while it blocks flow to the other radiators in the car, or heats soaks over time that wouldn't be optimal for track guys.
Doesn't seem like they want to include CSF in the testing or planning. They went ahead without talking to them so each agreed on the process. I wouldn't if I was CSF. Was a dick move showing VSRF rather hurt reputations than do things together. And not agreeing on the process beforehand just leaves it open for disagreements in unfair testing, which invalidates everything.

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