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I'm not debating road course performance here. Still, I personally don't consider the m2 much of an upgrade over the 1m, especially once tuned and modded.
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I currently saw 19 1Ms for sale in Australia on carsales.com.au with the cheapest car at ~$64k and the average price somewhere in the $70s. Very low mileage examples (which you reference) are easily in the $80s. If I researched correctly, 1Ms were just shy of $100k fully loaded in Australia - I can't seem to find any that are close to $50k (which you also referenced), even high mileage examples. Yes, there are some 1M owners that track their prices like stocks but most just really enjoy the driving engagement they cannot find any most cars these days (especially BMWs). Understanding that Australia, with a population of 23m, got more than 300 1Ms (which means there is a 1M for every 77k people) compared to the North america where population is 320m and only 740 1M (meaning a 1M for every 430k people) - of course demand in Australia is lower and prices are lower - no surprise there |
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UR91 (European-spec, LHD): 4,155 produced 3/2011 through 6/2012 UR92 (European-spec, RHD): 1,204 produced 3/2011 through 6/2012 UR93 (North American-spec, LHD): 983 produced 3/2011 through 12/2011 6342 total M2? To be produced from 2015-2020. These two drivers in particular, yes. Quote:
----- Wow, I haven't missed what still seems to be the typical BMW forum post. "My BMW is better than your BMW because of XYZ" At the end of the day, an M2 will be faster than an 1M, as a purported evolution of the 1M, it has to be, if it were not it would be like an F80 being slower than an e90 M3, it just wouldn't make sense. But the flip side to the coin is the low production volume of the 1M. As I said above 10, 15, 20+ years 1M's will be super rare while M2's will be a dime a dozen. Someone's comparison between an e30 M3 and an e36 M3 is not to far fetched.
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But afaik there are est. 20,000 E30 M3s produced through the years, which is not so limited as I was led to believe. E36 M3 in total 35,000? M2 won't make it to 20,000 not in 20,000 years. Production lines Leipzig and M3/4 which are 'more car' in theory plus 240i etc.... I guess 16,000 maximum from what I read on German forums(insiders or so they say) Cheers Robin |
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What you don't understand is that until recently, they were selling for close to and often above MSRP. The market value for them seems to be descending precipitously and there are a lot more up for sale recently. By Christmas this year, I predict you will be able to get one below $60k, you probably could now, considering I spoke to people who were quite willing to negotiate on their sale price. By comparison we got a lot more e90 M3s and a comparable car (milage wise, and 1 year older) is going for $82,000. Rarity tends to be a modifier, rather than a predictor of future value. |
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Can I assume that you've driven both cars?
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Guilty as charged so good question, I've only driven the 1-Series. That said, the curb appeal is where I'm coming from.
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Also, you would make a great auto journalist if you were ever to compare the 1M and M2... I mean the 1M is just not as good right? |
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e;g The few i have seen on the track were driven very tentatively, like they were scared of thier cars. They appear to be very good at quoting positive excerpts from any review written tho Dont get me wrong i like 1m's they are cute as |
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1M owners are generally proud of their car from what I have seen, most of them are enthusiasts of some sort. What's wrong with quoting excerpts? 1Ms are frumpy imo, Mini is cute |
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Had two turn up at the skidpan event I went to, neither of the owners were willing to drive their cars, just parked them and stood next to them while everyone else (in M3s, 4s, e30s etc.) had a go.
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