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      04-15-2016, 03:53 PM   #23
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NASCAR lol. Where you need to go wheel-to-wheel lock back and forth all the time.
I guess you didn't bother to check out all the other race series I posted videos from then...
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I guess you didn't bother to check out all the other race series I posted videos from then...
You lost me at NASCAR. :P

All good man, I think there's a lot more to it than that.
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I guess you didn't bother to check out all the other race series I posted videos from then...
You lost me at NASCAR. :P

All good man, I think there's a lot more to it than that.
Besides less body movement like I said earlier, sitting closer also gives your arm more leverage. Many race cars do not have power steering, sitting too far takes more toll on your arm.

So I think those racers are just so used to the form of sitting close and transfer over to street cars.

Although again, with airbags in street cars, unless I am wearing a helmet, otherwise I wouldn't sit so close.
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You lost me at NASCAR. :P

All good man, I think there's a lot more to it than that.
Please do go on. I really want to hear this.
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Still more time on the table as that was not a perfect lap. He got out of shape going wide in turn 1.

This video is redemption for the driver though because his first lap he totally got seriously out of shape in either turn 1 or turn 7 going * way *. onto the runoff area.

I look forward to a lap where he doesn't run off the outside of turn 1 so badly and gets into the 1:11s.



As the M2 supplants the M4 as being the best sports car in the BMW lineup, BMW should seriously consider naming the next " 2 " platform a " 3" and having coupe, sedan and grand coupe iterations and then making the next 3 series a 4 series, in sedan , coupe and gran coupe iterations..
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Not near a perfect lap? You've got to be kidding me, its very very close and was his fastest time, it's not just a one shot, as one knows, most magazines test a few laps, with the exception of the N-ring, where it is only 3 laps. All of Christian Gebhardt laps on Hockenheim (he is an expert on that track) look exactly like that one in several BMWs, including the ones he has tested for the Sport Auto Tuner-GP he takes the same line and is pushing it to the limit and things do get squirmy when you are pushing the limit on a street car. Anyone criticizing this guy's driving competence/seating position has no idea what they're talking about. The time speaks for itself.

Anyway, fantastic performance from the M2, as suspected the smaller dimensions of the car are allowing the engine to not overpower the chassis. The former "Stig", Ben Collins in his Goodwood test stated that right away, the M2 felt very much like the E92 M3, specifically praising how the car "bonds well to the road" and has "perfect poise and balance". With 400 bhp and a smaller more nimble package, BMW is back in the game at least on this car.
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Not near a perfect lap? You've got to be kidding me, its very very close and was his fastest time, it's not just a one shot, as one knows, most magazines test a few laps, with the exception of the N-ring, where it is only 3 laps. All of Christian Gebhardt laps on Hockenheim (he is an expert on that track) look exactly like that one in several BMWs, including the ones he has tested for the Sport Auto Tuner-GP he takes the same line and is pushing it to the limit and things do get squirmy when you are pushing the limit on a street car. Anyone criticizing this guy's driving competence/seating position has no idea what they're talking about. The time speaks for itself.

Anyway, fantastic performance from the M2, as suspected the smaller dimensions of the car are allowing the engine to not overpower the chassis. The former "Stig", Ben Collins in his Goodwood test stated that right away, the M2 felt very much like the E92 M3, specifically praising how the car "bonds well to the road" and has "perfect poise and balance". With 400 bhp and a smaller more nimble package, BMW is back in the game at least on this car.
Ok easy their killer ... Edited to " not a perfect lap " To be honest , the previous lap by this driver was actually very sloppy.


First off...

BMW got " back in the game " with the 1M and the M2 is a slightly reworked version of the same exact formula.




As far as the lap, in no way did I question the drivers talent or accomplishments.

I'm glad to see that you think that this was his best time. I suppose you would have been happy with the previous 1:12:5 that he posted



You can see that lap had several errors in it.

However, as a person who drives on track and also competes, I can recognize the newest 1:12.2 wasn't a perfect lap ( there were elements in the 1:12.5 lap that made it faster he just had some much larger errors ) and i know the driver would admit it. Was it a great lap? Yes , but again, that car has 1:11s in it and i know for damn sure that driver would say so.
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I guess you didn't bother to check out all the other race series I posted videos from then...
You lost me at NASCAR. :P

All good man, I think there's a lot more to it than that.
I sit up close at the track as well. It's like being in an athletic stance for anything else.
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Not near a perfect lap? You've got to be kidding me, its very very close and was his fastest time, it's not just a one shot, as one knows, most magazines test a few laps, with the exception of the N-ring, where it is only 3 laps. All of Christian Gebhardt laps on Hockenheim (he is an expert on that track) look exactly like that one in several BMWs, including the ones he has tested for the Sport Auto Tuner-GP he takes the same line and is pushing it to the limit and things do get squirmy when you are pushing the limit on a street car. Anyone criticizing this guy's driving competence/seating position has no idea what they're talking about. The time speaks for itself.

Anyway, fantastic performance from the M2, as suspected the smaller dimensions of the car are allowing the engine to not overpower the chassis. The former "Stig", Ben Collins in his Goodwood test stated that right away, the M2 felt very much like the E92 M3, specifically praising how the car "bonds well to the road" and has "perfect poise and balance". With 400 bhp and a smaller more nimble package, BMW is back in the game at least on this car.
Ok easy their killer ... Edited to " not a perfect lap " To be honest , the previous lap by this driver was actually very sloppy.


First off...

BMW got " back in the game " with the 1M and the M2 is a slightly reworked version of the same exact formula.




As far as the lap, in no way did I question the drivers talent or accomplishments.

I'm glad to see that you think that this was his best time. I suppose you would have been happy with the previous 1:12:5 that he posted



You can see that lap had several errors in it.

However, as a person who drives on track and also competes, I can recognize the newest 1:12.2 wasn't a perfect lap ( there were elements in the 1:12.5 lap that made it faster he just had some much larger errors ) and i know the driver would admit it. Was it a great lap? Yes , but again, that car has 1:11s in it and i know for damn sure that driver would say so.
All laps have errors in it - you know that.
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I sit up close at the track as well. It's like being in an athletic stance for anything else.
Me too. If you need to straighten your arms to touch the steering wheel you are way too far IMO. I probably sit 4" closer at the track than I do for street driving. My arms would be close to 90deg when holding the steering wheel... maybe slightly less than 90 but not much less.
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Dude is way too close to the wheel.
That's actually proper position
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He deff wasn't "way to close" to the steering wheel. You have track experience?
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Listening to all these people criticize a pro race driver's seating positions is comedy
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Listening to all these people criticize a pro race driver's seating positions is comedy
Lol - hard parkers.
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I sit up close at the track as well. It's like being in an athletic stance for anything else.
Me too. If you need to straighten your arms to touch the steering wheel you are way too far IMO. I probably sit 4" closer at the track than I do for street driving. My arms would be close to 90deg when holding the steering wheel... maybe slightly less than 90 but not much less.
Yep especially to have total control in oh shit moments. Here's my position:
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Aerodynamics: front: 16 kg uplift
rear: 12 kg uplift
But at what speed? 100km/h? 100mph? Top speed?

If that's all the lift that is generated at top speed, then there's no need for even the trunk lid spoiler.
Still, it would be interesting to measure front and rear lift/downforce with the M Performance aero parts.
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Driver looks constipated though
He's thinking "Scheisse. I should not have eaten that Weisswurst after noon ! ! !"
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Still more time on the table as that was not a perfect lap. He got out of shape going wide in turn 1.

This video is redemption for the driver though because his first lap he totally got seriously out of shape in either turn 1 or turn 7 going * way *. onto the runoff area.

I look forward to a lap where he doesn't run off the outside of turn 1 so badly and gets into the 1:11s.



As the M2 supplants the M4 as being the best sports car in the BMW lineup, BMW should seriously consider naming the next " 2 " platform a " 3" and having coupe, sedan and grand coupe iterations and then making the next 3 series a 4 series, in sedan , coupe and gran coupe iterations..
Turn 1 at Hockenheim is a corner where allmost everyone goes wide. IIRC they have had to warn drivers during F1 races to stay within the track limits at turn 1 because they tend to go wide there to carry more speed onto the following straight.

To me the lap looks to be a very good one, I'm not sure there's a lot of time to be found, but of course every lap can be improved (even F1 drivers do mistakes quite frequently)

DTM, F1 etc go wide there



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I guess you didn't bother to check out all the other race series I posted videos from then...
You lost me at NASCAR. :P

All good man, I think there's a lot more to it than that.
Your name says it all. I attended BMW performance school four years school and that was exactly the seating position taught. I haven't looked back since total command and control. Let me guess you sit in the back seat with your hand draped over the steering wheel. What do you call that the homey position or the "confusion" position? :
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Not sure why my innocuous comment instigated so much hate. Sorry some of you take such offense. I certainly didn't criticize the guy's performance.

Anyway, I guess I'm glad some of you got a kick out of it.

Regarding driving experience, I've been to Bondurant twice and driven my E46 M3 at MSR (Houston), 135 at TWS (College Station), and got a few laps at CotA in a CTS-V. Certainly not as much as I would like but more than nothing.

Looking forward to more adventures in my M2 (which I picked up today).

Cheers.
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