[dezzracer]

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/11/24/h...csl-stand-for/

I posted this in the F80 forum but with all the hype surrounding the M2 CS thought I would post here too. For those of you hoping for an M2 CSL it seems highly unlikely.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/11/24/h...csl-stand-for/
I posted this in the F80 forum but with all the hype surrounding the M2 CS thought I would post here too. For those of you hoping for an M2 CSL it seems highly unlikely.

Compare with the text and references of my comment posted on Nov 6, 2019:

Originally Posted by Artemis

AFAIK:

• "CS" stands for "Club Sport" or "Clubsport"
• "CS" does neither stand for "Coupé Sport" nor for "Competition Sport" (though that moniker was used back in 2016 for 60 special M4 cars sold on the Spanish market: see here and here);
• "CSL" stands for "Coupé Sport Leichtbau" ("Coupé Sport Lightweight (construction)").

See more in general the dedicated thread by moderator Law here ("Origins of BMW CS & CSL Models").

However, some press mentions that "CS" in "M2 CS" stands for "Competition Sport".

BMW launch materials expressly refer to "Clubsport" (see here):

This immensely capable car also serves as a basis for the BMW M2 CS Racing model, BMW M Motorsport’s new entry point to amateur racing and the new Clubsport segment from the 2020 season.

“The joint development of the BMW M2 CS and BMW M2 CS Racing underscores the close links between BMW Motorsport and BMW M GmbH,” explains Markus Flasch, Chairman of the Board of Management of BMW M GmbH. “Our skillsets converge at the midway point between high-performance cars for the road and all-out racing machines – i.e. in the expanding Clubsport segment. We’re covering this niche with the Clubsport variant of the BMW M2 CS Racing and will be working in a similar direction with future special-edition models from BMW M.”

[bogeyman]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/11/24/h...csl-stand-for/

"All 1,383 units built were sold in a matter of months, proving that the M3 CSL was a both popular and exclusive choice among fans."

At the time some UK dealers had new cars in stock for a year and offered discounts of around 25% off to shift stock.

Looking back, if you compare the differences between a regular E46 M3 and the CSL, a lot of effort went into development of the CSL. There's a video knocking around where an engineer that worked on the development describes the detail they went into to shed weight.

With the information out there, the M2 CS seems like a poor effort from BMW and a total money-grab. They could of at least put some half decent seats in. Even a Golf Clubsport S has better seats.

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by bogeyman

... the M2 CS seems like a poor effort from BMW and a total money-grab.

The M3 CS seems to languish in the showrooms. A BMW sales manager made some disparaging comments about them when I asked why they're not moving.

Who wants to spend $110 for an M3 that has marginal "improvements" over one that's nearly half as costly?

Ditto M2.

[chmura]

To me the CS stands for = Chubby Sadness

Especially since BMW is charging a big premium on the M2 CS why did they not put in a lithium ion battery in from the M4/M3? This sheds 30 lbs alone and is readily available.

BMW wants to charge $8,000-10,000 for a CCB option that sheds about 30 lbs when they can simply put a Lithium Ion battery in the M2 CS and shed the same weight with a simple low cost battery change?

[JasH]

Agree on the battery.

But on the positive side, this means an owner can very cheaply shed a lot of weight by changing the battery afterwards.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by JasH

Agree on the battery.

But on the positive side, this means an owner can very cheaply shed a lot of weight by changing the battery afterwards.

Supposedly you have to disconnect the IBS to make the lithium battery work on the M2c. Not that straight forward. That is why I'm bummed BMW did not put a lithium battery in the M2c or CS since the F8x M4 has it.

[///M TOWN]

Cash Smash ‼️

[bogeyman]

Sorry it wasn't a video like I mentioned earlier but have a read of this. This is what they should have done to the M2:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/...=182&t=1297011

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

The M3 CS seems to languish in the showrooms. A BMW sales manager made some disparaging comments about them when I asked why they're not moving.

Who wants to spend $110 for an M3 that has marginal "improvements" over one that's nearly half as costly?

Ditto M2.

There is a brand new 2018 M3cs in my area thats been for sale at 88k cad (thats $66 300 us). Its still not selling..

The only thing that will save a bit the M2cs from the same fate is the M/T.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by bogeyman

"All 1,383 units built were sold in a matter of months, proving that the M3 CSL was a both popular and exclusive choice among fans."

At the time some UK dealers had new cars in stock for a year and offered discounts of around 25% off to shift stock.

Looking back, if you compare the differences between a regular E46 M3 and the CSL, a lot of effort went into development of the CSL. There's a video knocking around where an engineer that worked on the development describes the detail they went into to shed weight.

With the information out there, the M2 CS seems like a poor effort from BMW and a total money-grab. They could of at least put some half decent seats in. Even a Golf Clubsport S has better seats.

CS lineup is the ''instagram poseur'' of M lineup

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by PLF69

There is a brand new 2018 M3cs in my area thats been for sale at 88k cad (thats $66 300 us). Its still not selling..

The only thing that will save a bit the M2cs from the same fate is the M/T.

Wow, that seems like a heck of a deal.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by PLF69

There is a brand new 2018 M3cs in my area thats been for sale at 88k cad (thats $66 300 us). Its still not selling..

The only thing that will save a bit the M2cs from the same fate is the M/T.

Hey brand new M3CS for less than a base M3 and nobody wants it. ? I highly doubt.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

Hey brand new M3CS for less than a base M3 and nobody wants it. ? I highly doubt.

One could say its because its freezing cold winter and snow around here but it was for sale for almost all summer.. There are some M4cs for sale but they seem to be stiffer on price.

[DDS2015]

Originally Posted by PLF69

There is a brand new 2018 M3cs in my area thats been for sale at 88k cad (thats $66 300 us). Its still not selling..

The only thing that will save a bit the M2cs from the same fate is the M/T.

I paid 90k CAD for mine in August.

They are a tough sell, especially with the new M3 about a year away. Definitely takes a special buyer.

[alavigne]

Originally Posted by chmura

Supposedly you have to disconnect the IBS to make the lithium battery work on the M2c. Not that straight forward. That is why I'm bummed BMW did not put a lithium battery in the M2c or CS since the F8x M4 has it.

What is IBS?

[chmura]

Originally Posted by alavigne

What is IBS?

'IBS' or BMW Intelligent Battery Sensor (IBS) is a mechanical/electronic device which is connected directly to the negative battery terminal.

The IBS contains a micro-processor that is used to monitor/measure various battery conditions.

If you open up your truck and look at the battery you can see a wire that is attached to the battery, thats the IBS.

[Tornado1M]

Damn that SMB is hotness on the M4cs

So wish the M2cs would come in that glorious blue

[cookiesowns]

In ESYS terms. Comp = F87CS CS = F87CSL

[Davil]

Originally Posted by alavigne

What is IBS?

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/...l-syndrome-ibs

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

Hey brand new M3CS for less than a base M3 and nobody wants it. ? I highly doubt.

Yeah, it's a typo.

"Hi, I'm calling about the M3CS for sale, listed for 88K."

"US?"

"No, Canadian."

"Yeah, no that should be one eighty-eight. It's a typo."

"You should fix that ad."

"We will, I promise. When would you like to come see it?"

"It's the wrong price."

"I can make you a deal."

"You're not even close."

"Come on in, let's talk."

"It's a 2018. It's too expensive."

"Do you have a trade?"

[chris719]

Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

Yeah, it's a typo.

"Hi, I'm calling about the M3CS for sale, listed for 88K."

"US?"

"No, Canadian."

"Yeah, no that should be one eighty-eight. It's a typo."

"You should fix that ad."

"We will, I promise. When would you like to come see it?"

"It's the wrong price."

"I can make you a deal."

"You're not even close."

"Come on in, let's talk."

"It's a 2018. It's too expensive."

"Do you have a trade?"

The dealers live in a dream world. We see CS, they see C$.