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      05-26-2016, 03:23 PM   #23
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These are identical quarter mile and traps of stock e92. Slower to 100 but overall this is e92 m3 performance
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E9x M3 territory
Actually that's F80 territory!

5-60 in 4.4 seconds is what the M3/M4 DCT was tested at!

so at a stop light the M2 will be a dead on tie with the M3 (all things being equal), and sounds like on a track they will be too
only time the M3/M4 will win is 0-100+

to me this is another reason its time for the M3 to go AWD and get to that 500HP mark, leave the RWD to the M2/M2GC (TBD)
an f80 will win anywhere there isnt a dead stop involved...
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E9x M3 territory
Actually that's F80 territory!

5-60 in 4.4 seconds is what the M3/M4 DCT was tested at!

so at a stop light the M2 will be a dead on tie with the M3 (all things being equal), and sounds like on a track they will be too
only time the M3/M4 will win is 0-100+

to me this is another reason its time for the M3 to go AWD and get to that 500HP mark, leave the RWD to the M2/M2GC (TBD)
an f80 will win anywhere there isnt a dead stop involved...
I think on shorter, twister tracks the M2 might be on equal footing or slightly faster than the M3/4.

Other than that, yep, M3/4 wins every time.
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Actually that's F80 territory!

5-60 in 4.4 seconds is what the M3/M4 DCT was tested at!

so at a stop light the M2 will be a dead on tie with the M3 (all things being equal), and sounds like on a track they will be too
only time the M3/M4 will win is 0-100+

to me this is another reason its time for the M3 to go AWD and get to that 500HP mark, leave the RWD to the M2/M2GC (TBD)
Hmmmm...

Car and driver test results from DCT M4 and DCT M2 below.

Both cars are neck in neck to 40mph, which is expected as both are mostly traction limited up to that point. The M4's extra power allows it to start pulling away from then on.

The 5-60mph metric is to be taken with a grain of salt. There is a very high level of variability with the numbers since it is a test difficult to accurately reproduce.

That being said, the M2 is still one nifty little beast
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Actually that's F80 territory!

5-60 in 4.4 seconds is what the M3/M4 DCT was tested at!

so at a stop light the M2 will be a dead on tie with the M3 (all things being equal), and sounds like on a track they will be too
only time the M3/M4 will win is 0-100+

to me this is another reason its time for the M3 to go AWD and get to that 500HP mark, leave the RWD to the M2/M2GC (TBD)
An AWD 500hp+ M3/M4 would put down insane numbers if that's your kind of thing.

It would probably be 79,000 pounds though.

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E9x M3 territory
Actually that's F80 territory!

5-60 in 4.4 seconds is what the M3/M4 DCT was tested at!

so at a stop light the M2 will be a dead on tie with the M3 (all things being equal), and sounds like on a track they will be too
only time the M3/M4 will win is 0-100+

to me this is another reason its time for the M3 to go AWD and get to that 500HP mark, leave the RWD to the M2/M2GC (TBD)


Well... First they are going to do that with the " other 5 series type M sedan .." The M5.

Agree with you that M3 sedan is traction limited and could almost do the same.

Especially agree with you that a RWD M2GC should be in the lineup to replace the M3 which is now nearly a grand tourer in both size and performance.
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Gas milage isn't really a big deal with these cars, but it pisses me off that BMW puts such short 6th gears in their manual trans cars., across the board. My (in this context) gutless n52 cruised at 2700 rpm at 75 (and still got 30 mpg) but could be easily traveled the same speed at 22-2400 rpm and saved fuel with a taller 6th gear, instead of the hardly overdrive .85

Edit, the M2 is quick and I want one
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5-60 will always be slower. From a stop, you can break traction and start, essentially, at any RPM. From a roll, you're already in gear and subject to the engine's actual limitations.

http://jalopnik.com/porsche-918-prov...hit-1558177494
Eh, sounds like this guy is butthurt against Porsche's, or at least the 918. 0-60 times have been faster than the rolling 5-60 since WAY before launch control has come about.

Pretty impressive results for the M2!!! Still have yet to see one in the flesh.
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5-60 will always be slower. From a stop, you can break traction and start, essentially, at any RPM. From a roll, you're already in gear and subject to the engine's actual limitations.

http://jalopnik.com/porsche-918-prov...hit-1558177494
Eh, sounds like this guy is butthurt against Porsche's, or at least the 918. 0-60 times have been faster than the rolling 5-60 since WAY before launch control has come about.

Pretty impressive results for the M2!!! Still have yet to see one in the flesh.
Plenty of folks chimed in to say things had been this way for a long time. He said he just used the 918 as an example because it had been in the news recently.

Definitely some great times from the M2.
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The auto ’box wins against the clock because of a few inherent advantages. A computer is better than a human at managing launch traction, and the dual-clutch unit upshifts without interrupting power delivery.
Just FYI, Porsche ran a dual-clutch box ("PDK") in their 956 and 962 endurance racers.
Starting way back in 1983.
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Hmmmm...

Car and driver test results from DCT M4 and DCT M2 below.

Both cars are neck in neck to 40mph, which is expected as both are mostly traction limited up to that point. The M4's extra power allows it to start pulling away from then on.

The 5-60mph metric is to be taken with a grain of salt. There is a very high level of variability with the numbers since it is a test difficult to accurately reproduce.

That being said, the M2 is still one nifty little beast
Doesnt quite make sense those figures from car and driver
If the M4 was really 1.5 secs faster to 110 mph - That would mean it is also be approx 1.5 secs faster over the 1/4

For the record i took a trip to drags trip on wed and the M2 trapped 113.48 mph at 12.7 - no launch control
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Gas milage isn't really a big deal with these cars, but it pisses me off that BMW puts such short 6th gears in their manual trans cars., across the board. My (in this context) gutless n52 cruised at 2700 rpm at 75 (and still got 30 mpg) but could be easily traveled the same speed at 22-2400 rpm and saved fuel with a taller 6th gear, instead of the hardly overdrive .85

Edit, the M2 is quick and I want one
i agree haha
although for my E90 S65 motor and 6MT isn't made for "daily fuel saver" purpose, when i'm cruising on the highway sometimes i look at my shifter to make sure i'm in 6th gear lol
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Doesnt quite make sense those figures from car and driver
If the M4 was really 1.5 secs faster to 110 mph - That would mean it is also be approx 1.5 secs faster over the 1/4

For the record i took a trip to drags trip on wed and the M2 trapped 113.48 mph at 12.7 - no launch control
That's not how things work
60ft is extremely important as it will affect your et dramatically
A 108mph car running 12.6 is possible while a @118mph car can also be running the same time
The slower trap speed car would have the better "hole shot" 60ft time but little top end compared to the more traction limited 118mph car.
In the real world with pot holes and cracks in pavements , it's very hard to duplicate the 12.6 time in the 108mph car, and it will totally be destroyed by the faster 118 mph car in all real world encounters..ie rolls on the highway passing maneuvers.
Trap speed is what is almost always the consistent determiner of which car is faster on the streets
Stock f80 traps around 117-119 and it shows in that 0-100 mph time
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This. The only thing that pisses me off about this car the inattention to weight. If a 911 can be 3000lbs so can a peewee 2 series.
Of course it could, but then it would be another price range, plus the fact that it would outperform the M4. And that would not be ideal for BMW. I dont think it is correct to compare the M2 with the 911, they are two completely different types of cars. The M2 is a small coupe with backseats (short) people actually can use. Just hoping that BMW gets rid of the issues with deliverys we are experiencing here in Sweden. I haven't even gotten a production date - although I ordered before the actual launch.
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And to close to the M4..
Exactly. It is not allowed to be faster. Simple. As. That
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Hmmmm...

Car and driver test results from DCT M4 and DCT M2 below.

Both cars are neck in neck to 40mph, which is expected as both are mostly traction limited up to that point. The M4's extra power allows it to start pulling away from then on.

The 5-60mph metric is to be taken with a grain of salt. There is a very high level of variability with the numbers since it is a test difficult to accurately reproduce.

That being said, the M2 is still one nifty little beast
Doesnt quite make sense those figures from car and driver
If the M4 was really 1.5 secs faster to 110 mph - That would mean it is also be approx 1.5 secs faster over the 1/4

For the record i took a trip to drags trip on wed and the M2 trapped 113.48 mph at 12.7 - no launch control
Certainly quick.. In the 12s bone stock.

Did you try launch control at all or not use it because of abort issues (my understanding is that an aborted run will cause it to shut this system off for awhile- and of course, lifting off the throttle at any point in the first few seconds will abort the run )
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E9x M3 territory
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Indeed! I feel like the M2 is the spiritual successor to all the things BMW did right before the new M's....
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I was going to say the same thing. Those numbers are either similar or awfully close to the e9x M3.
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These are identical quarter mile and traps of stock e92. Slower to 100 but overall this is e92 m3 performance
Yup.

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That's not how things work
60ft is extremely important as it will affect your et dramatically
A 108mph car running 12.6 is possible while a @118mph car can also be running the same time
The slower trap speed car would have the better "hole shot" 60ft time but little top end compared to the more traction limited 118mph car.
In the real world with pot holes and cracks in pavements , it's very hard to duplicate the 12.6 time in the 108mph car, and it will totally be destroyed by the faster 118 mph car in all real world encounters..ie rolls on the highway passing maneuvers.
Trap speed is what is almost always the consistent determiner of which car is faster on the streets
Stock f80 traps around 117-119 and it shows in that 0-100 mph time
Thats not what i was querying.

I believe the M4 figures are questionable.

M4 -1.5 secs quicker to 110 mph ???
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Thats not what i was querying.

I believe the M4 figures are questionable.

M4 -1.5 secs quicker to 110 mph ???
It is very possible.

Check out the GT4's acceleration time below

http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-cayman-gt4
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It is very possible.

Check out the GT4's acceleration time below

http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-cayman-gt4
M4 not GT4
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Why is the rolling start 5-60mph at 4.4 seconds? Shouldn't it be faster than the 0-60mph time of 4.0 seconds?
5-60 will always be slower. From a stop, you can break traction and start, essentially, at any RPM. From a roll, you're already in gear and subject to the engine's actual limitations.

http://jalopnik.com/porsche-918-prov...hit-1558177494
That jalopnik article should never have been written. The author retracted some of his statements after people more knowledgeable about the subject matter called him out on some of the ignorance he had been spewing there.
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