M2C - Share your Journey

KevinM · 02-21-2020, 10:55 PM

My previous F80 M3 ZCP was my first experience with an adaptive suspension and I was quite disappointed. Maybe my car was not functioning correctly; maybe the 20 inch wheels are to blame. The car crashed across any road imperfections, even in the "comfort" suspension setting. I find the M2C passive suspension much better. My favorite passive suspension remains the one in my E39 M5; it is so well-balanced (the "small" 18 inch wheels help). The passive suspension in my Z4M coupe is much firmer but does fit the car perfectly.

Conissah · 02-21-2020, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinM

My previous F80 M3 ZCP was my first experience with an adaptive suspension and I was quite disappointed. Maybe my car was not functioning correctly; maybe the 20 inch wheels are to blame. The car crashed across any road imperfections, even in the "comfort" suspension setting. I find the M2C passive suspension much better. My favorite passive suspension remains the one in my E39 M5; it is so well-balanced (the "small" 18 inch wheels help). The passive suspension in my Z4M coupe is much firmer but does fit the car perfectly.

I don't get the appeal of adaptive. Most people who care about aesthetics and/or performance will swap the factory stuff for coilovers anyway, in which case the adaptive won't matter.

Poochie · 02-21-2020, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by flybigjet

On the other hand.....

No adaptive suspension means less electronic widgets to break.

And? That's a *good* thing.

R.

That's one way to justify not having it..

I feel the same about not having a 14 inch penis..
I mean, who wants a dick so big that you pass out every time you get an erection because your heart can't keep with the blood demand.

A small penis is a *good* thing..

I'm J/k

flybigjet · 02-21-2020, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Poochie

That's one way to justify not having it..

I feel the same about not having a 14 inch penis..
I mean, who wants a dick so big that you pass out every time you get an erection because your heart can't keep with the blood demand.

A small penis is a *good* thing..

I'm J/k

It *can* be a burden, but I soldier on!

BWAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

Davil · 02-23-2020, 10:46 PM

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A small penis is a *good* thing..

I think your acceptance is bold and to be admired.

Most people in this situation just buy a Porsche.

flybigjet · 02-23-2020, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Davil

I think your acceptance is bold and to be admired.

Most people in this situation just buy a Porsche.

bri1042 · 02-24-2020, 07:27 AM

Ignoring Poochie's endowment issues (more power to ya, of course), I had adaptive dampers on my 340i. It was a noticeable change on that car with the 19's it came with, less so on the 18's I was using for winter wheels. I came away from that car feeling that the sidewalls made more of a difference in ride quality than the adaptive suspension did.

PLF69 · 02-24-2020, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bri1042

Ignoring Poochie's endowment issues (more power to ya, of course), I had adaptive dampers on my 340i. It was a noticeable change on that car with the 19's it came with, less so on the 18's I was using for winter wheels. I came away from that car feeling that the sidewalls made more of a difference in ride quality than the adaptive suspension did.

I'll second this, in my M235i, you fell it instantly with the 19 inch low profile tires and wheels but a lot less with the 17inch track set.

I really think BMW uses this tech more to improve ride quality than to improve performance.

///AVM · 02-24-2020, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Most people in this situation just buy a Porsche.

After careful personal 'assessment' . . . I have concluded there might be some truth to that statement

///AVM

Poochie · 02-24-2020, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ///AVM

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Originally Posted by Davil

Most people in this situation just buy a Porsche.

After careful personal 'assessment' . . . I have concluded there might be some truth to that statement

///AVM

Whatever, I would take a couple inches off the top for a 911 Turbo..

GoGoGadgetChris · 02-24-2020, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ///AVM

After careful personal 'assessment' . . . I have concluded there might be some truth to that statement

///AVM

My goodness! And just how many Porsche owners did you personally assess??

///AVM · 02-24-2020, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ///AVM

After careful personal 'assessment' . . . I have concluded there might be some truth to that statement

///AVM

My goodness! And just how many Porsche owners did you personally assess??

By 'personal,' I was jokingly referring to just one. . . me 😀

///AVM

243Racing · 02-24-2020, 01:02 PM

All this talk is making me want a cayman gts. Y’all need to stop

MMMBRAP · 02-24-2020, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Conissah

I don't get the appeal of adaptive. Most people who care about aesthetics and/or performance will swap the factory stuff for coilovers anyway, in which case the adaptive won't matter.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't adaptive suspension also add quite a bit of weight?

Conissah · 02-24-2020, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't adaptive suspension also add quite a bit of weight?

Suspension OEM Rear Adaptive Spring/Cup/Rubber Pads = 6.68 lbs (each side)
Suspension OEM Rear Adaptive Bumpstop = 0.12 lbs (each side)
Suspension OEM Rear Adaptive Spring/Cup/Rubber Pads w/ Bumpstop = 6.80 lbs (each side)
Suspension OEM Rear Adaptive Spring = 5.74 lbs (each side)
Suspension OEM Rear Adaptive Strut/Top Mount/Bump Stop/Dust Shield = 6.28 lbs (each side)
Suspension OEM Front Adaptive Full Strut/Spring Assembly = 13.6 lbs (each side)
Suspension OEM Front Adaptive Top Mount = 3.0 lbs (each side)
Suspension OEM Front Adaptive Spring = 3.64 lbs (each side)

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1077612

Don't know what the OEM non-adaptive equivalent is, so it's hard to tell. I would guess 20 or so pounds. That's just a guess though.

chris719 · 02-24-2020, 11:57 PM

I'm pretty sure the weight difference is negligible. There aren't really any parts of it that could weigh all that much, maybe a couple small DC motors. The dampers are probably very similar other than one being electronically adjustable. The wiring may even already be present in the regular M2 based on how that works for other cars.

Ratcher · 02-26-2020, 03:37 AM

I'm sorry for those getting a 2021 Model.
Check around the wheel arch.

chris719 · 02-26-2020, 04:03 AM

What is that? A blacked out section, or a notch? I don't understand what the purpose is...

Ratcher · 02-26-2020, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chris719

I don't understand what the purpose is...

It's just some plastic protection, I'd assume to add extra protection from chips, etc?
It's stupid and I hear it's because some new EU regulation.

Something like this but (thank god) much smaller:

243Racing · 02-26-2020, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratcher

I'm sorry for those getting a 2021 Model.
Check around the wheel arch.

Do. Not. Want.

///AVM · 02-26-2020, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ratcher

It's stupid and I hear it's because some new EU regulation.

Ratcher

There are laws in place that vary by state and country regarding 'fender flares.' The requirement, where present, is dictated by how far the tires extend outward relative to the fender edge.

My assumption is that the M2CS has larger tires and extend further out to/past fender edge than the M2C . . . although, it is very possible that even the 21' M2C will be required to have the fender flares?

Regarding the picture you posted of the Audi with the very large plastic fender 'trim,' that is more a design aesthetic and fender protector (e.g., against rust) than a true fender 'flare' that is required to protect other cars on the road.

Personally, the fender flare shown on the M2CS is not that troubling; hardly noticeable or aesthetically displeasing. Of course, others may a different opinion.

///AVM

243Racing · 02-26-2020, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ///AVM

Ratcher

There are laws in place that vary by state and country regarding 'fender flares.' The requirement, where present, is dictated by how far the tires extend outward relative to the fender edge.

My assumption is that the M2CS has larger tires and extend further out to/past fender edge than the M2C . . . although, it is very possible that even the 21' M2C will be required to have the fender flares?

Regarding the picture you posted of the Audi with the very large plastic fender 'trim,' that is more a design aesthetic and fender protector (e.g., against rust) than a true fender 'flare' that is required to protect other cars on the road.

Personally, the fender flare shown on the M2CS is not that troubling; hardly noticeable or aesthetically displeasing. Of course, others may a different opinion.

///AVM

It looks so unbelievably cheap, like something you'd find on a Kia.

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chris719 Major General 7334 Rep 7,297 Posts Drives: '08 M Roadster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NJ iTrader: (0)	I'm pretty sure the weight difference is negligible. There aren't really any parts of it that could weigh all that much, maybe a couple small DC motors. The dampers are probably very similar other than one being electronically adjustable. The wiring may even already be present in the regular M2 based on how that works for other cars.
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