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My number is an informed estimate, not a guess. Hundreds of laps around the same track in equally equipped dct and 6mt E90's. Since I acquired the dct 2nd, had hoped it was more. It's tenths, not seconds. Same sort of direct experience that informed me being one of the lone voices here suggesting that the pss were activated in the original M2 comp test detailed on pg 1. And that the difference between pss/ps4s and star spec cup 2 is ~1 second or less over one hot lap of a typical circuit. Same track experience informs me again sharing that @ 90+ f ambient, the CS lap time is definitely 1-2 seconds short of its actual potential. Take it or leave it. CS is clearly a quick little monster and a notable step ahead of the comp as an overall track package. If you don't want to accept as valid -- Pobst ran the dct and manual 991.2 gt3 two tenths apart at Buttonwillow in a Motor Trend test. (Same day & test.)
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A fair test between the CS and Comp would be great. I am not so sure that the CS is that much better on track than the comp when both are equipped with the same tires, trans, brakes, and driver. Even less if the M2C is a stripper and the CS fully loaded.
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The guilias are all over the place though. The QV doesn't really look any more special than the base. Looks great though. At least the M2 in every version looks special. I couldn't take myself seriously on any given day if I were stepping into a type-r. I don't care how fast it is on paper or the ring.
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I think it's become a meme on this forum where if someone wants to troll the M2 community, they jump in and say, "Yeah, but the Civic Type R was faster around the Nurburgring." There have been threads, for example, on how to remove the front reflectors or whatever, and then some troll would post "Who cares about the reflectors? Civic Type R is faster," and immediately there would be like a hundred responses where people would then earnestly point out how Honda wasn't running a production car, it had a roll cage, all sorts of deletes for weight savings, etc., etc., and then Artemis would have to come in with the ban hammer due to the name calling and death threats. I think most everyone now knows that it's just trolling, any simple google search will return 15,482 articles pointing out how Honda perpetrated a fraud just for marketing purposes, and refuse to take the bait. Gosh... I miss the good ol' days! |
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Even with Cup 2s, the Type R is an 8 min+ car on the ‘ring in stock form. It just doesn’t have enough grunt to keep pace on the long straights. The CS will beat it by a half minute, same day/same driver.
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Not counting in the 444hp tune and the 1 zone climate control. I am not arguing its very small differences I am saying there is still exclusivity to the badge CS. I like it. I would love to have it. But I am not paying for it. Its beyond my common sense. |
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142. BMW M2 Competition (F87) unknown 7:52.36 410 / 1609 Isnt Civic a 320hp / 1400kg car? Time itself wont tell the whole story. Some times are on a private circut, some are from touristfahren. Unless there is a video (ehm Hurracan) thats uncut and timed every time should be taken with a grain of salt. But Type-R could be as fast or faster then Megane RS. I mean 7:40 is a very respectable time. |
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Not a fricking chance. Watch the CS hot lap. It'll keep your attention.
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They tested the M2 Competition again but this time on Cup2. The result is 1.57,6 min, a 0.3s improvement over PSS tire (1.57,9 min). Apparently ambient temp should be warmer too (which eats up bit power), if the fact the driver's in short sleeved from the video is any indication.
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only 0.3 seconds of improvement with sport cup. blue brakes ... I don't think the CS is almost 2 seconds faster with equal tires and brakes
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Let them pit the M2 CS against the M2 Competition in similar spec: M-DCT, same fuel load, M Driver's Package (stock on M2 CS), 2NH M Sport Brakes (stock on M2 CS), fresh Michelin Pilot Super Cup 2 tires (stock on M2 CS), 763M wheels (stock on M2 CS), same driving mode and driven immediately back-to-back by the same driver on the track.
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Can we also add the CS dampers, carbon hood & roof, 39 bhp, splitter and gurney flap to the C, and just make it a CS vs. CS race instead?? Why are people so invested in the CS being no faster than the C? You think they're asking too much for it, fine. Fair enough. But the combination of all upgrades very likely creates a faster, better driving, more visceral experience on both road and track. CS is to C what a Z07 Grand Sport is to the Z51. No one questions the Grand Sport's superiority, but CS is all window dressing.
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Where did you read that in my post ?
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I’d say implied in low fuel light timing analysis is bias for a particular outcome. The data associated with the Sport Auto tests demonstrate that the CS is, not at all surprisingly, a quicker car than the stock C.
Sure seems you’re looking to dismiss, or pick holes in their findings with a 4 lb. fuel load differential and the old, tired “but if you put parts a, b, and c on X model, it’d be just as fast” concept. Since you seem inclined to see testing nuances, are you willing to acknowledge that at 90 Fahrenheit the CS is notably short of its ultimate lap time? A 0.8 second gain puts it on par with a 718 GT4 at that track. There’s more than 0.8 seconds to be gained with optimal testing conditions. Why not promote the performance of the CS as compared to more costly rivals than reach for reasons or ways that it’s really no faster than a C?
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I'd argue that especially once a tune is involved, you're likely to lose track reliability. And over time the market always prefers the factory "plus" version as compared to the modified lesser form, but to each his own. I'm no stranger to modded M cars.
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