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      11-02-2019, 11:10 AM   #111
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I shift from 4th directly to 6th to potentially avoid the "money shift"
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cliffs to thread?
was this fixed?
warranty?
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Read his post a few above yours and the rest of the story at the link to his insta.

Yes.

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As it should be. User error.
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Well and that's why car makers are taking manuals away from us who actually know how to shift lol
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Well and that's why car makers are taking manuals away from us who actually know how to shift lol
A money shift could happen to anyone.
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Well and that's why car makers are taking manuals away from us who actually know how to shift lol
A money shift could happen to anyone.
Clearly BMW didn't design the tranny properly in the first place to prevent this from happening.
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Well and that's why car makers are taking manuals away from us who actually know how to shift lol
A money shift could happen to anyone.
Clearly BMW didn't design the tranny properly in the first place to prevent this from happening.
I love how it's a manufacture's fault when they didn't design in protections for every idiot customers of theirs..... Stupid BMW, amirite?
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I love how it's a manufacture's fault when they didn't design in protections for every idiot customers of theirs..... Stupid BMW, amirite?
Hopefully M Town was being sarcastic...
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A money shift could happen to anyone.
??? No. You have to use a lot of muscle to force a BMW gearbox to downshift instead of upshift. Drivers should learn some finesse. It takes almost no force to upshift these gearboxes. I cannot understand why I see people nearly rip their shift knobs off making shifts. Get yourselves a DCT ffs.
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Why has nobody pointed out that the OP was full throttle, high RPM, 4th gear IN THE RAIN on a public road.

WTF
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Why has nobody pointed out that the OP was full throttle, high RPM, 4th gear IN THE RAIN on a public road.

WTF
He is on the autobahn.... yeah, sure that fast in the rain is not recommended, but what he's doing isn't illegal.
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Why has nobody pointed out that the OP was full throttle, high RPM, 4th gear IN THE RAIN on a public road.

WTF
He is on the autobahn.... yeah, sure that fast in the rain is not recommended, but what he's doing isn't illegal.
Not that a short clip provides all the evidence needed to judge the OP here but on the face of it, it doesn't look like he's "driving appropriate to the conditions".

If the money shift happened on a drag attempt on a strip or a track day I'd say "fair enough" but a brutal shift on a public road at high revs in heavy rain particularly on this platform...well its ballsy at best and negligent at worst.

It's actually quite miraculous the rears didn't lock too and the car spin out (I've had that happen on cars with bigger V8's with more engine momentum).
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Not that a short clip provides all the evidence needed to judge the OP here but on the face of it, it doesn't look like he's "driving appropriate to the conditions".

If the money shift happened on a drag attempt on a strip or a track day I'd say "fair enough" but a brutal shift on a public road at high revs in heavy rain particularly on this platform...well its ballsy at best and negligent at worst.

It's actually quite miraculous the rears didn't lock too and the car spin out (I've had that happen on cars with bigger V8's with more engine momentum).
I'm still not convinced he let the clutch out, especially with him saying that it was the rev match feature that caused the rpms to climb rather then him finishing the shift.

OP needs to update with what exactly happened.
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Why has nobody pointed out that the OP was full throttle, high RPM, 4th gear IN THE RAIN on a public road.

WTF
He is on the autobahn.... yeah, sure that fast in the rain is not recommended, but what he's doing isn't illegal.
Not that a short clip provides all the evidence needed to judge the OP here but on the face of it, it doesn't look like he's "driving appropriate to the conditions".

If the money shift happened on a drag attempt on a strip or a track day I'd say "fair enough" but a brutal shift on a public road at high revs in heavy rain particularly on this platform...well its ballsy at best and negligent at worst.

It's actually quite miraculous the rears didn't lock too and the car spin out (I've had that happen on cars with bigger V8's with more engine momentum).
While I appreciate the sentiment and I agree that there isn't enough info, how exactly would a cop know this - "a brutal shift on a public road at high revs in heavy rain particularly on this platform" was happening in his car at speed or stopped in the rain sufficient enough to say the M2 was driving in an unsafe manner for the conditions?

I think we can both agree we don't know the answer to that. My point was simply that he isn't in the US, doing pulls on the highway on Germany seemed to me to be par for the course every time I have been driving there.
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I'm still not convinced he let the clutch out, especially with him saying that it was the rev match feature that caused the rpms to climb rather then him finishing the shift.

OP needs to update with what exactly happened.
Not likely. Rev match can’t request more than the rev limiter. And a money shift means you let the clutch out. Otherwise what would accelerate the engine speed past the point of damage? Rev match can’t damage the engine, it’s just annoying. But still slave to engine management software.

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While I appreciate the sentiment and I agree that there isn't enough info, how exactly would a cop know this - "a brutal shift on a public road at high revs in heavy rain particularly on this platform" was happening in his car at speed or stopped in the rain sufficient enough to say the M2 was driving in an unsafe manner for the conditions?

I think we can both agree we don't know the answer to that. My point was simply that he isn't in the US, doing pulls on the highway on Germany seemed to me to be par for the course every time I have been driving there.
I think you might have misunderstood.

I wrote "On a public road" - meaning, he is endangering others. Skip the law, skip the police, but man, it certainly was raining and he was going hard in 4th in a modified M2 - that's unsafe... and when you mix in the others in danger, I don't think it is par for any course.
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Not likely. Rev match can’t request more than the rev limiter. And a money shift means you let the clutch out. Otherwise what would accelerate the engine speed past the point of damage? Rev match can’t damage the engine, it’s just annoying. But still slave to engine management software.
So what does the rev match function do when you attempt to go into too low of a gear for your current speed? I'm certainly not going to try to find out but does it just rev match up to redline or fuel cut or not do anything at all?

I've watched it a few times at 1/4 speed but the camera moves toward the dash right after he puts the clutch in and you can't see what's happening with his feet or his hand until everything is over with.
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So what does the rev match function do when you attempt to go into too low of a gear for your current speed? I'm certainly not going to try to find out but does it just rev match up to redline or fuel cut or not do anything at all?

I've watched it a few times at 1/4 speed but the camera moves toward the dash right after he puts the clutch in and you can't see what's happening with his feet or his hand until everything is over with.
My educated guess is it bounces off the rev limiter until he has it in gear and lets off the clutch. This means spark is already cut, but as clutch is released the rear wheels cause the revs to exceed max.

The interesting thing as chris719 said is that the rods, pistons or valves were not damaged (as far as we know).
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Right..... Yeah ok can happen to anyone who can't drive a MT. Man card revoked!! Lmao
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Right..... Yeah ok can happen to anyone who can't drive a MT. Man card revoked!! Lmao
You've never grabbed the wrong gear once in your life, even if it wasn't a money shift? When I'm really on a car to the point that I'm hitting the rev limiter, I am extra deliberate with shifts... but clearly it happens occasionally given the thousands of reports of it on the internet. I could see this happening on the track, or to people who installed a super short shift kit.

It's not common or easy to do, but no need to pile on the poor guy. He already paid out of pocket to replace his engine, which isn't cheap.

I'm not sure there is anything inherently manly about a MT either. I mean, I know all the bros think it makes them cool, but every teenage girl in Europe and the UK probably learned on a Peugeot with MT that's easier to stall than the M2. I drive an MT also btw...

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