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      11-23-2019, 04:23 PM   #155
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I predict that after the initial push the CS at $85,000 is going to sit on the lot until discounted.
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      11-23-2019, 04:24 PM   #156
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I know a vehicle is merely a collection of parts working in unison together but one would never be able to properly mimic a CS from Competition base simply because of the carbon fiber roof and Adaptive Suspension being mechanically and cost-prohibited. The end.

Also, some of guys are true hypocrites; when a 335i/340i owner adds a M4 part or a M235i/M240i adds a M2 piece, he's a poser but yet some of you want to create a makeshift M2 CS.

Stay in your lane, people..
I want the sc rear spoiler and that hood.

Then I am golden.

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      11-23-2019, 04:29 PM   #157
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GT350 is one of the best looking cars or there in my opinion. I think the C8 is fantastic. Camaro is a track beast as well in the right spec. Camaro and mustang have back seats. I have read that they are a comfort compromise. No personal experience. Again, everything is a trade off and folks pay for what is meaningful to then. No one shoe fits everyone.
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      11-23-2019, 04:33 PM   #158
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Whoever buys this car thinking it's the next 1M will get hosed. Sure the M2 is more exclusive than the M3, and depreciates less, but that's only because it's cheaper, or was in this case. I really like the CS here and think it looks great, but almost 85K BASE translates to 100K+ territory after tax, fees and options.

Keep in mind the exclusivity will be between you, a couple of other random guys that actually know what it is, and this forum. To everyone else you'll look like a wannabe racer (unjustified, but, people are ignorant) that overpaid for a two series.

If this is your cup of tea, by all means go for it. It's an amazing looking car with tasteful mods. But do not think that it won't depreciate like any other M2.

I would personally check out a 991 GTS CPO in this price range, but to each their own.
How will everyone know that you overpaid for it if only a select few will be familiar with what the car is, and the exclusivity associated with it?
Because the first thing people ask the owner of a nice car is the price. When they hear near 100K all in, they're going to wonder why. As opposed to telling people you paid 100K for your Porsche, and them wondering how you got it so cheap.

This is my personal experience owning all M cars and different Porsches. I personally don't care what people think, but I'm addressing the exclusivity factor. People getting the CS for exclusivity would intend on flaunting the car. People that get it for the racing heritage, sportiness, drive-ability and the visceral feel won't care about anything I mentioned.

If you're getting this car for the second reason mentioned, good on you. If you're getting it for exclusivity, it will be an inevitable shit show. Indicator, M3CS.
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Given how long M3/4 CS have sat at dealers and prices forums members have been able to get...forces buyers to shop around.
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      11-23-2019, 04:38 PM   #160
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Almost GT4 Money

Wow... Almost GT4 money for a back seat. CRAZY.
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      11-23-2019, 04:43 PM   #161
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GT350 is one of the best looking cars or there in my opinion. I think the C8 is fantastic. Camaro is a track beast as well in the right spec. Camaro and mustang have back seats. I have read that they are a comfort compromise. No personal experience. Again, everything is a trade off and folks pay for what is meaningful to then. No one shoe fits everyone.
Comfort is fantastic in my SS 1LE with magnetic ride and recaros. the visibility is fair but you get used to it quickly. back seat is BAREEEELY passable for my 5&7 yo boys to sit back there when I occasionally pick them up from school. I'm 6'3" and knees are close to the dash. Not smooth on the clutch operation either. Thing rips on the track though and will get another kid hauler soon. GT350 would be a little better in the back seat but between the higher price and markups with very similar performance to the SS1LE I went with the camaro.

The M2 is way more relaxing to sit in bc you can see so much better out of it and has a less aggressive seating position.
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I know a vehicle is merely a collection of parts working in unison together but one would never be able to properly mimic a CS from Competition base simply because of the carbon fiber roof and Adaptive Suspension being mechanically and cost-prohibited. The end.

Also, some of guys are true hypocrites; when a 335i/340i owner adds a M4 part or a M235i/M240i adds a M2 piece, he's a poser but yet some of you want to create a makeshift M2 CS.

Stay in your lane, people..
You could definitely build a more capable car for less than the $25k diff. But that’s if you are a track rat, always looking to improving your laps times each time out. CS badge will only take you so far. Guessing most of these M2CS will be putting around town.

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Some points to note:
  • Also in the US it should be possible to negotiate a discount on an M2C. MSRP is, as it says, 'suggested'. So the base figure for calculation is normally lower than MSRP. However, it will be harder to negotiate a discount on an M2 CS than on an M2C (more in the US than in Europe). Although it's bad stereotyping, you Americans easily get infatuated by the words "limited edition", even if it's just a 'Marketing 101' trick in full effect: create artificial scarcity to boost the hype and price (see here and here).
  • Under the M2 CS lookalike scenario: except for the roof, the original replaced parts aren't sent to the scrapyard. For example a brandnew set of 788M wheels that got replaced by 763M wheels, ain't worth $0. You can recoup a small part of the price of the new parts by parting out the existing replaced ones, or keep those as spare parts for future purposes (retrofitting at resale date + parting out the aftermarkter/new parts).
  • Mimicking an M2 CS will never get you an M2 CS - it will rather get you a questionable "M2 CS wannabe" status. But to each his own. Lots of petrolheads add parts because they like those, or consider those functional, rather than for mimicking a higher tier car in the car pecking order.
  • Several 'M2 CS only' parts are new and no 'M Performance Parts'. For example, it would surprise me if the 763M wheels on the M2 CS would feature "M Performance" stamps. I guess they don't. And more generally speaking, in principle, 'M2 CS only' parts will only be made available by BMW to M2 CS customers. Non-M2 CS owners either need to browse through the M Performance back catalogue, or need to venture around in the after market circuit, or ask an M2 CS friend a favor, or - horresco referens & left to your own devices as regards risks - buy questionable cheapo replicas or knock-offs.
Not sure anyone is looking for a look a like CS. But rather asking what level of car could you build with the extra $25k added to a M2C. Things like the adaptive suspension I would probably end up disabling, opting for more adjustable coilover setup geared more towards the track. Also opt for some smaller/lighter brakes to enable fitting 18s.
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agreed...

Personally, I'd rather own the CS than a base 911. The GT4/Spyder delta is $20k+ as Porsche options add up very quickly.
Agreed. Base 911 carrera is now $98K. Base GT4 is $100K. Both Porsche cars have tons of options so probably another $20K or more when factoring options.

At $83K base and limited options the CS is a bargain compared to a 911 or GT4. This is a comparison of new cars only. Used cars are hit or miss.
It's significantly less in price AND performance. So this choice would depend on the buyer's budget.
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Comfort is fantastic in my SS 1LE with magnetic ride and recaros. the visibility is fair but you get used to it quickly. back seat is BAREEEELY passable for my 5&7 yo boys to sit back there when I occasionally pick them up from school. I'm 6'3" and knees are close to the dash. Not smooth on the clutch operation either. Thing rips on the track though and will get another kid hauler soon. GT350 would be a little better in the back seat but between the higher price and markups with very similar performance to the SS1LE I went with the camaro.

The M2 is way more relaxing to sit in bc you can see so much better out of it and has a less aggressive seating position.
GMs magnetic ride is light years better than BMWs adaptive suspension.
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$83.6K is not GT4 money. If you're getting comparable specs, you're looking at a $110K GT4. And in my mind, $30K is quite the delta.

One can argue you can have a base GT4 for $15Kish more, but in my mind that is very different and for a daily driver, not comparable.

But again, just my perspective...
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I'll take a C8 thx...and blow the rest on hookers
I think you've just defined the C8 customer profile.
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I'll take a C8 thx...and blow the rest on hookers
I think you've just defined the C8 customer profile.
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I know a vehicle is merely a collection of parts working in unison together but one would never be able to properly mimic a CS from Competition base simply because of the carbon fiber roof and Adaptive Suspension being mechanically and cost-prohibited. The end.

Also, some of guys are true hypocrites; when a 335i/340i owner adds a M4 part or a M235i/M240i adds a M2 piece, he's a poser but yet some of you want to create a makeshift M2 CS.

Stay in your lane, people..
You could definitely build a more capable car with the extra $25k. But that's if you are a track rat, always improving your laps times each time out. Guessing most of these M2CS will be putting around town.
I'm sure you can add some coilovers and have a subjectively better performing M2C but specific to Adaptive Suspension; it's tightly intergraded into the vehicles's ECU logic including DSC, EPS, e-diff, ect which is a total nightmare to retrofit.

So that will always remain unique to the CS, for better or worst.
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Wow... Almost GT4 money for a back seat. CRAZY.
GT4 is about $16K more in base price at $99K. Plus another $20K in options. M2 CS is $83K with minimal options. Definitely a difference.
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Agreed. Base 911 carrera is now $98K. Base GT4 is $100K. Both Porsche cars have tons of options so probably another $20K or more when factoring options.

At $83K base and limited options the CS is a bargain compared to a 911 or GT4. This is a comparison of new cars only. Used cars are hit or miss.
A fully loaded CS will be $100k before tax(dest, paint, ccb, dct, exec, cup2 tires, gold wheels). It can add up, if you want. Even a low option car(dest, paint, exec, cup2) about $87k + fees/tax. Well into $90k out the door in most states.
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$83.6K is not GT4 money. If you're getting comparable specs, you're looking at a $110K GT4. And in my mind, $30K is quite the delta.

One can argue you can have a base GT4 for $15Kish more, but in my mind that is very different and for a daily driver, not comparable.

But again, just my perspective...
Agreed. GT4 is a noticeable difference in price. Plus I need an automatic so a GT4 won't work.
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I'll take a C8 thx...and blow the rest on hookers
Now that's giving "strut brace" and "adaptive suspension" a new twist.
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I predict that after the initial push the CS at $85,000 is going to sit on the lot until discounted.
This assumes they are not all snatched up in dealer orders. M2 has been the most popular M.
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GT4 is about $16K more in base price at $99K. Plus another $20K in options. M2 CS is $83K with minimal options. Definitely a difference.
I’ve seen some very clean 981 GT4’s around $90k at times. Definitely something to think about. One I have been eyeing has 7k miles and ccb for $95k(surely negotiable). Not much more than M2CS with $8k ccb.

I believe when the M3CS/M4CS first dropped, there was no leasing(could be wrong). That changed because they were not selling. Wonder if leasing on M2CS will be allowed. Even if they do, M2 lease rates are absolutely awful. So I bet almost all will be purchased rather than leased.
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Lol fuck that. This is a parts bin car. Definitely not worth 80k+
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