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      10-22-2019, 09:24 AM   #1
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M2: 2018 vs 2016/2017: besides cosmetic, are there any differences ?

Besides cosmetic, are there any differences?
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      10-22-2019, 11:29 AM   #2
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I assume you are talking model years. 2018 s are LCI models and have LED headlights and taillights plus updated iDrive. Also the dash is slightly different. 2016 and 2017 are basically the same.
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'18 has a different gauge cluster, and adds a touch screen and an optional sunroof.
Backup camera became standard (at least in the US due to regulations). 16 and 17 only get backup camera with executive package.
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https://www.bmwblog.com/2017/05/11/b...fted-m2-coupe/

Here you go. One thing worth noting is that the gauge cluster is technically not digital, just looks that way.
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But driving wise, there's no difference?
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But driving wise, there's no difference?
Engine, transmissions, and suspension are the same. So yes, driving wise there are no differences.

But driving at night the led headlights are superior to the halogen headlights on the 2016 and 2017 M2.
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But driving wise, there's no difference?
Engine, transmissions, and suspension are the same. So yes, driving wise there are no differences.

But driving at night the led headlights are superior to the halogen headlights on the 2016 and 2017 M2.
I thought that some suspension settings where changed ?
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Engine, transmissions, and suspension are the same. So yes, driving wise there are no differences.

But driving at night the led headlights are superior to the halogen headlights on the 2016 and 2017 M2.
Xenon, not halogen
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I thought that some suspension settings where changed ?
Not on the LCI, or any model for that matter. There was some debate around the M2C having a different suspension, but it was eventually confirmed it was the same.
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Xenon, not halogen
You are correct.
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LCI also saw return of traditional indicator stalk, it stays up or down (L or R) and returns to centre with the (un) turning steering wheel.
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LCI also saw return of traditional indicator stalk, it stays up or down (L or R) and returns to centre with the (un) turning steering wheel.
A step backwards IMHO.
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LCI also saw the removal of:

- The eyebrow light on the headlights
- The symmetrical interior
- The knee pad cushion with blue stitching
- The classic dials
- Maintainable rear light cluster

All negatives IMHO some of which mean that if anything goes wrong you will be facing a nice hefty bill.
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But driving wise, there's no difference?
Engine, transmissions, and suspension are the same. So yes, driving wise there are no differences.

But driving at night the led headlights are superior to the halogen headlights on the 2016 and 2017 M2.
I thought that some suspension settings where changed ?
Not between US model year 16, 17, 18.

In the US m2c is model year 2019.

In the UK I think they consider US model year 19 as 18.
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I thought that some suspension settings where changed ?
Not on the LCI, or any model for that matter. There was some debate around the M2C having a different suspension, but it was eventually confirmed it was the same.
It has not been confirmed physically by comparing the suspension. It's been noted by the majority of comparisons that they feel different, even if BMW said it was, then said it wasn't.
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A step backwards IMHO.
Yes, back to where it was supposed to be and stay.
There was no reason for BMW to reinvent the wheel. Everybody complained about this, so they returned.
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A step backwards IMHO.
Yes, back to where it was supposed to be and stay.
There was no reason for BMW to reinvent the wheel. Everybody complained about this, so they returned.
I disagree. It was a very efficient system that many people misunderstood but is actually much easier to use than the standard locking system. For one, returning to center was the same, regardless of which way you signaled. Also there is no "click". After 4 bimmers with this system, including my M3, I was used to it and it was actually better imho. Going back to the standard in my M3CS and I miss it.
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It has not been confirmed physically by comparing the suspension. It's been noted by the majority of comparisons that they feel different, even if BMW said it was, then said it wasn't.
Assuming Real OEM is accurate aren't all parts identical except for the alloy/carbon front strut braces. There is a published interview somewhere on the forum with the ///M chief engineer which acknowledges no change to suspension in the M2C but (from memory) claims improved turn-in from the strut braces.

Problem with majority if not all of the 'comparisons' is the influence of unconscious bias and/or commercial interests (journos). Not saying the M2C isn't an improvement (handling) but there is no evidence of suspension changes in the M2C. It's likely the strut braces are the only change.

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- Maintainable rear light cluster
What the heck is a 'rear light cluster'?
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What the heck is a 'rear light cluster'?
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LCI also saw the removal of:

- The eyebrow light on the headlights
- The symmetrical interior
- The knee pad cushion with blue stitching
- The classic dials
- Maintainable rear light cluster

All negatives IMHO some of which mean that if anything goes wrong you will be facing a nice hefty bill.
1) who cares (Aesthetic) and I like the hexagon units better.
2) What? The previous dashboard design looked a little cheap TBH.
3) This is so important.
4) I'll give this one to you, I prefer the red dials at night.
5) Not really an issue because I have a 16 year old e39 with LEDs that haven't blown out yet, and to find a used one is damn cheap.
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Assuming Real OEM is accurate aren't all parts identical except for the alloy/carbon front strut braces. There is a published interview somewhere on the forum with the ///M chief engineer which acknowledges no change to suspension in the M2C but (from memory) claims improved turn-in from the strut braces.

Problem with majority if not all of the 'comparisons' is the influence of unconscious bias and/or commercial interests (journos). Not saying the M2C isn't an improvement (handling) but there is no evidence of suspension changes in the M2C. It's likely the strut braces are the only change.
That is correct. All part numbers for all arms, shocks and coils are the same.


This is the quote from the BMW guy:
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“The M2 Competition tilts the focus more towards race track performance so we have increased the amount of content from the M3/M4 models,” explained Dirk Häcker, BMW M’s VP of Engineering. Given that the bodyshell and front and rear inner structure was already modified to accept the M3/M4 suspension and wide rubber no further work was required here apart from stiffening the front end.
“Since the track is identical to the M3/M4 carbon-fiber engine compartment brace bolted straight in. This significantly reduces torsional flex in the engine compartment ‘box’ and keeps the front suspension geometry closer to spec under load,” he said. “We experimented with variations of the M2 spring and damper rates but found that with the improved front-end stiffness the original settings were ideal,” explained Peter Schmid, Project Manager for Driving Dynamics. “This is the first time ever in my career that this has happened, and all we needed, in the end, was some software recalibration of the control electronics.”
https://carbuzz.com/cars/bmw/m2/2019 about 1/3 of the way down
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