[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by TemjinX2

i think it'll depend on how they want to price the next gen rwd m2...i'm pretty sure the m2 gran coupe will just come with a higher output b48 motor.

If BMW want to keep the rwd m2 in the 60k range they'll probably just put in a tuned version of the high output b58 in the z4.

I think if they want to move the m2 rwd more upmarket it'll be 70k base with a s58 motor.

if BMW sells the s58 to toyota for the high output supra..the m2 will definitly get it.

There will be no M2GC ‼️

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

You just know it will get porkie-er. More HP to overcome it. 😔

Even more fat than the M2 Chubby?

No thanks!

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Piets94

The s55 in the m2c was only used because of emissions. It was really meant for the CS model only.

I believe the next m2 will get a b58 with the competition model getting a higher output b58 with slightly more power than the s55 in m2c. The next gen CS will get the s58 to help 'justify' the ridiculous price jump to the next CS.

Transmission? Is DCT dead?

DCT is dead.

I think b58 m2 sales will be low or need to be heavily discounted.

[Insane435]

Well i hope the m2 with b58 happens. I will buy that.

[Karmic Man]

The next M2 will come with the S58

[bimmer456]

Hope they keep the 6MT with the S58 with RWD

[TemjinX2]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

There will be no M2GC ‼️

never say never...right now BMW doesnt have a direct audi rs3 competitor.

you can make the argument of the m2c but it doesnt have 4dr and awd like the rs3.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by TemjinX2

never say never...right now BMW doesnt have a direct audi rs3 competitor.

you can make the argument of the m2c but it doesnt have 4dr and awd like the rs3.

BMW better seriously up their game.

Look what Mercedes is doing to up theirs.

2020 Mercedes-AMG CLA45 has 382 hp and a rear-wheel-drive drift mode.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...g-cla45-debut/

[pz619]

I think the next M2 will have the S58. Now that I’ve had a taste of the M2 with the S55 I don’t think I can go back to the regular series motors. Don’t want to offend anyone here, but to me the only benefit of the N55 over the S55 is the sound. The original M2 is a fantastic car, but I just think the S55 kicks up one notch.

[MetalMK]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

BMW better seriously up their game.

Look what Mercedes is doing to up theirs.

2020 Mercedes-AMG CLA45 has 382 hp and a rear-wheel-drive drift mode.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...g-cla45-debut/

How is that possible with a transversely mounted engine, the "drift mode" might just be similar to the one in focus rs. You have to send at least 50% of the power to the front wheels.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by MetalMK

How is that possible with a transversely mounted engine, the "drift mode" might just be similar to the one in focus rs. You have to send at least 50% of the power to the front wheels.

Transfer case can send power wherever needed.

They can program it to have 100% power go to the rear.

I think this is only on the AMG 45 S Models, from what I read.

[TemjinX2]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

BMW better seriously up their game.

Look what Mercedes is doing to up theirs.

2020 Mercedes-AMG CLA45 has 382 hp and a rear-wheel-drive drift mode.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2...g-cla45-debut/

i think if the economy holds up...we'll see a 2 series gran coup rs3 competitior.

i dont think it would cost BMW much in terms of building one...bigger turbo, bigger brakes and stiffer suspension with maybe some kind of wide body and add some gloss carbon fiber interior bits and boom charge 60-70k...lol.

[TemjinX2]

Originally Posted by MetalMK

How is that possible with a transversely mounted engine, the "drift mode" might just be similar to the one in focus rs. You have to send at least 50% of the power to the front wheels.

i couldnt find any drive train pics...some people are theorizing that there using a 90 degree transfer case from the front axles and connectining to a 90 degree power transfer coupling to the rear wheels.

if it turns out to be true..that is going to be some horrible drive train lost in rwd mode.

[eeyang92]

I wouldn't mind a b58 - better sound, cheaper to maintain and the stock internals have already been shown to handle huge increases in power from aftermarket mods very easily.

That being said, the s58 will clearly be on another level, but to me the difference isn't that vast in terms in value vs. performance.

[Conissah]

Originally Posted by eeyang92

I wouldn't mind a b58 - better sound, cheaper to maintain and the stock internals have already been shown to handle huge increases in power from aftermarket mods very easily.

That being said, the s58 will clearly be on another level, but to me the difference isn't that vast in terms in value vs. performance.

The S55 has shown HUGE gains with a tune and very few aftermarket parts... It's not a proper M car if it doesn't have an S motor in it, no? People are riding the Supra train too hard. Before anyone gets all defensive about how the B58 is in actual BMWs, it had no where the following before the Supra was dropped.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Conissah

The S55 has shown HUGE gains with a tune and very few aftermarket parts... It's not a proper M car if it doesn't have an S motor in it, no? People are riding the Supra train too hard. Before anyone gets all defensive about how the B58 is in actual BMWs, it had no where the following before the Supra was dropped.

There have been numerous threads about M cars that have engines that don’t start with an S. The 1M and M2 are both proper M cars.

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by Conissah

The S55 has shown HUGE gains with a tune and very few aftermarket parts...

Sure, if you don't mind driving a ticking time bomb...

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by DanG

There have been numerous threads about M cars that have engines that don’t start with an S. The 1M and M2 are both proper M cars.

I miss my 1M, should never have sold it...

[Advevo]

The 1M was the most fun to drive.

Size hp it was nearly perfect. Only the weght could be lighter.

1m coupe with carbon roof and hood in a modern new jacket would be my perfect M car. No 400 plus hp is needed if the weight is comming down!

A new m2 bigger heavier and more hp. No i am not looking for that. If i wanted an m3/m4 i would have bought that.

M2 must be an agile car for fun in cornering. My m2 comp has lost appeal to me. To big to heavy. To long wheelbase!

We will see what a new m2 brings. If it gets bigger and heavier i not buying! Maybe buy a secondhand 1m then or a GT4

[M Fifty]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

Hope they keep the 6MT with the S58 with RWD

The G80 mood music suggests that they'll be autos as the MT cannot cope with the torque of higher output S58.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by M Fifty

The G80 mood music suggests that they'll be autos as the MT cannot cope with the torque of higher output S58.

The M3 is rumored to have an MT version but with a detuned motor for purists. Whether it will be called M3 pure is unknown but this rumor was coming straight from the M division boss.


https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/07/24/b...ing-bmw-m3-m4/

[bimmer456]

Moderators need to fix title so it says s58 or allow users to edit title.