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      02-04-2018, 03:41 PM   #1
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Intercooler and charge pipe?

So I'm finally ready to get an intercooler and charge pipe. I don't ever plan on going further than a stage 2 setup, so stock turbo. That being said too big of an intercooler could be overkill and cause unnecessary lag. I was thinking the CSF intercooler but is that overkill? or should I save some money and get the Active Autowerke Intercooler? lastly as far as charge pipes go, is there any one that stands out to be the best that's higher quality has better fitment, better couplers and better clamps?
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I am not planning on going past HEX stage 2, but have a CSF intercooler and ER chargepipe (cold-side only) on order. I do think the intercooler is a good idea even for just street use on a stock turbo with a Stage 2 tune. I originally ordered a VRSF chargepipe, but when I received it the paint was already coming off... so I decided to pony up and get the higher quality ER version. I have been told that replacing the hot side chargepipe is unnecessary for a stock turbo. I was part of a CSF group buy, so I ended up paying $500 for the intercooler shipped.



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So I'm finally ready to get an intercooler and charge pipe. I don't ever plan on going further than a stage 2 setup, so stock turbo. That being said too big of an intercooler could be overkill and cause unnecessary lag. I was thinking the CSF intercooler but is that overkill? or should I save some money and get the Active Autowerke Intercooler? lastly as far as charge pipes go, is there any one that stands out to be the best that's higher quality has better fitment, better couplers and better clamps?
Do you plan on adding downpipes in the future? If not then yes it will be an overkill.

Wagner EVO I will be the best option followed by VRSF HD and Active Autowerke
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Do you plan on adding downpipes in the future? If not then yes it will be an overkill.

Wagner EVO I will be the best option followed by VRSF HD and Active Autowerke
I do plan on doing the fabspeed downpipe In a few months. So with the downpipe is the csf still overkill? My other idea was doing the active autowerke package deal you have. Would a downpipe be too much for the AA kit?
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I do plan on doing the fabspeed downpipe In a few months. So with the downpipe is the csf still overkill? My other idea was doing the active autowerke package deal you have. Would a downpipe be too much for the AA kit?
Both would work but the CSF would be the better option since it is a bigger intercooler.
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From what I have read the aftermarket charge pipe does nothing. Plus it's more heat soak since its aluminum opposed to plastic..
It's only meant for reinforcement in this case. Issue with N55, and subsequently the charge pipes, is when running a tune, and thus higher boost, the plastic charge pipe is more likely to break.

It's not a necessary upgrade, but one that people do depending on the level power they're attempting to achieve. Which is why he asked if he was gonna buy a downpipe later on. It's just a weak point in the overall process.
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ended up going CSF intercooler and Active Autowerke charge pipe through mike@x-ph.com. couldn't beat his prices and his communication is so quick. waiting for my lightweight splitter and I'll get everything on at the same time. CSF intercooler is on backorder anyways
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The thick plastic charge pipe would not blow off even running a few more pounds of boost and considering the exhaust is located on the other side of the engine I do not feel that the oem charge pipe would just fail unless perhaps the car had a ton of miles and been through a bunch of heat cycles...
Which is why when they say to upgrade it, you only really need to do the cool side.


But, I mean, if that's what you think. Sure. Like I said, not necessary. Take from it what you will. After all, it's "I do not feel" which is your opinion.

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ended up going CSF intercooler and Active Autowerke charge pipe through mike@x-ph.com. couldn't beat his prices and his communication is so quick. waiting for my lightweight splitter and I'll get everything on at the same time. CSF intercooler is on backorder anyways
Thank you for your support, i will let you know once intercooler is back in stock and ready to ship out
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The thick plastic charge pipe would not blow off even running a few more pounds of boost and considering the exhaust is located on the other side of the engine I do not feel that the oem charge pipe would just fail unless perhaps the car had a ton of miles and been through a bunch of heat cycles...
Dude seriously do you live under a rock or something?

It’s a well documented fact that the n55 chargepipe can break even at oem levels of boost, but more likely once tuned. Yeah you ‘might’ be ok but if it does go is it worth being stranded and without your car until it’s fixed....
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Dude seriously do you live under a rock or something?

It’s a well documented fact that the n55 chargepipe can break even at oem levels of boost, but more likely once tuned. Yeah you ‘might’ be ok but if it does go is it worth being stranded and without your car until it’s fixed....
There's no use trying to convince him, save your time.
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Dude seriously do you live under a rock or something?

It’s a well documented fact that the n55 chargepipe can break even at oem levels of boost, but more likely once tuned. Yeah you ‘might’ be ok but if it does go is it worth being stranded and without your car until it’s fixed....
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Links please?!
Check any of the f-series n55 forums on here. You’ll find chargepipes exploding.
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Check any of the f-series n55 forums on here. You’ll find chargepipes exploding.
Sorry, searched for Chargepipe and Exploding (separate) but couldn´t find anything?
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Any one crack an M2 charge pipe yet though? Wondering if they maybe revised it for the M2 version of N55.
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Any one crack an M2 charge pipe yet though? Wondering if they maybe revised it for the M2 version of N55.
Aftermarket CPs were a hot topic a few years ago on the forums when I had my 435i. A few instances where they failed under stock and higher boosted conditions. So far, so good it seems with the M2. I'm running a supposed 5.5 lbs above stock for 6 months now, a small sample size I know. I've definitely considered upgrading but won't until I see at least one failed instance on here.
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Fact is there hasn't been any issues with any of the m2's since they came out in 2016.. Some people should just posting up things they know nothing about..
No need for your passive aggressive comments. Take your own advice.
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And I suggest the same to you because you just love stirring up crap on this forum and also been warned by the admins. Just drop it so we can get back on subject..
The N55 has had this problem, it's not unreal to think that it will happen to the M2

I haven't said anything offensive at all, nor have I tried to stir up anything in this thread. You have been warned also by the admins, so don't act high and mighty. Good-bye.
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One of my friends' m2 had his cp broken in early 2017 on jb4 map 6 running just as much boost as every other tune does today.

We call his car our 'm2 test car', because he has absolutely no respect for the machine and would try whatever available to explore the limit of power. And only fix what breaks.

A lot of valuable stuff learned thru our extensive(brutal) testing on it the entire year (he and I), what works, what part makes power (truth may surprise many) and what psi stock turbo is comfortable with etc.

CP is kind of thing should be done prior to anything else even on a stock car with no mods in plan.

This test car didn't do it earlier because we always cheap out on it, using cheapest available parts, and abuse it as much as humanly possible. But what doesn't kill it only makes it stronger. It's been the quickest standing to 62mph(100kph) m2 in China at 3.88sec. Mod when getting that time = knockoff ic + knockoff cp + knockoff 200-cell cat + JB4 custom map on pump gas. And oh, RE71R 19 35 265 tire. This wasn't the most aggressive setup we did of course.

BTW, on this setup, 1/4 mile was 12.05@117mph, not impressive but good enough to walk 99% of M2 out there I guarantee you that. It's a blessing of us (ok me) to have this test car.
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One of my friends' m2 had his cp broken in early 2017 on jb4 map 6 running just as much boost as every other tune does today.

We call his car our 'm2 test car', because he has absolutely no respect for the machine and would try whatever available to explore the limit of power. And only fix what breaks.

A lot of valuable stuff learned thru our extensive(brutal) testing on it the entire year (he and I), what works, what part makes power (truth may surprise many) and what psi stock turbo is comfortable with etc.

CP is kind of thing should be done prior to anything else even on a stock car with no mods in plan.

This test car didn't do it earlier because we always cheap out on it, using cheapest available parts, and abuse it as much as humanly possible. But what doesn't kill it only makes it stronger. It's been the quickest standing to 62mph(100kph) m2 in China at 3.88sec. Mod when getting that time = knockoff ic + knockoff cp + knockoff 200-cell cat + JB4 custom map on pump gas. And oh, RE71R 19 35 265 tire. This wasn't the most aggressive setup we did of course.

BTW, on this setup, 1/4 mile was 12.05@117mph, not impressive but good enough to walk 99% of M2 out there I guarantee you that. It's a blessing of us (ok me) to have this test car.
What boost level did it break at?

I was gonna keep mine stock but I figured I would do it before I do Stg 2 turbo. Didn't you install a stage 2? Or was it just the dinan

What does your M2 0-60 run come in to?
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Dude seriously do you live under a rock or something?

It’s a well documented fact that the n55 chargepipe can break even at oem levels of boost, but more likely once tuned. Yeah you ‘might’ be ok but if it does go is it worth being stranded and without your car until it’s fixed....
Just spoke with a classmate at advanced M school two weeks ago who had his chargepipe fail on his M235i that had an aftermarket DP and mild tune so yep, it can and does happen.
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Dude seriously do you live under a rock or something?

It’s a well documented fact that the n55 chargepipe can break even at oem levels of boost, but more likely once tuned. Yeah you ‘might’ be ok but if it does go is it worth being stranded and without your car until it’s fixed....
Just spoke with a classmate at advanced M school two weeks ago who had his chargepipe fail on his M235i that had an aftermarket DP and mild tune so yep, it can and does happen.
Good thing we upgraded, I guess facts are facts after all.
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