TuningTech FS BMW M2 Dyno Tuning & Testing (ECU Flash)

zenmaster · 05-13-2016, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

If proven by 60-130 racelogic pbox data i will believe

I need hard data before believing. After all its same turbo as m235i or 335/435i. The 15% higher stock numbers come from increased stock tune. Jb4 logs showed 16-18 psi stock. Hence the higher stock numbers.

I don't think you're following. The m235, 335, 435 simply don't scale to the numbers we're seeing. The M2's increase in power over those models has little to do with its stock tuning parameters.

PeterPure · 05-13-2016, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by zenmaster

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

If proven by 60-130 racelogic pbox data i will believe

I need hard data before believing. After all its same turbo as m235i or 335/435i. The 15% higher stock numbers come from increased stock tune. Jb4 logs showed 16-18 psi stock. Hence the higher stock numbers.

I don't think you're following. The m235, 335, 435 simply don't scale to the numbers we're seeing. The M2's increase in power over those models has little to do with its stock tuning parameters.

Whatever dude.

zenmaster · 05-14-2016, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

Whatever dude.

My comments were based on the claim that their dyno is "set to read close to dynojet give or take a few horsepower". If this trivially verifiable claim turns out NOT to be true, then TTFS has an incredible marketing problem. They obviously know what they are doing, so a mistake would be out of the question. So it begs the question why would they risk falsifying data, esp. with a substantial number of potential customers on these forums?

PeterPure · 05-14-2016, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by zenmaster

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

Whatever dude.

My comments were based on the claim that their dyno is "set to read close to dynojet give or take a few horsepower". If this trivially verifiable claim turns out NOT to be true, then TTFS has an incredible marketing problem. They obviously know what they are doing, so a mistake would be out of the question. So it begs the question why would they risk falsifying data, esp. with a substantial number of potential customers on these forums?

Look you seem to be a guy that takes everything for true without questioning.

I am a guy that needs real world proof before believing.

I have seen the M2 turbo and it has same turbine and compressor side as M235i turbo. So it will push the same air volume. Power comes from air and fuel and ignition advance. On N54tech there are people that posted stock tune logs so you can see boost pressure and ignition advance.

So if i take all of the above data and think about it my logic says the M2 just runs a higher stock tune compared to m235i.

We all know all dynos read different. So unless this company provides real world pbox data to match their high hp figures I stand with my statement.

Everybody chooses what he wants to believe. The M2 just like other N55's needs a pure stage2 to get a decent increase in power. My 2 cents.

zenmaster · 05-14-2016, 11:49 AM

Eh, something not making sense here, regardless of turbo measurements. Yes we all know what the standard (or non-B30T0) N55 limitations are, including TTFS. With the standard N55 w/ DP, intake, intercooler, 335i, their tune dynos the typical/expected ~370whp. Nothing seems inflated.

TTFS · 05-15-2016, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

Look you seem to be a guy that takes everything for true without questioning.

I am a guy that needs real world proof before believing.

I have seen the M2 turbo and it has same turbine and compressor side as M235i turbo. So it will push the same air volume. Power comes from air and fuel and ignition advance. On N54tech there are people that posted stock tune logs so you can see boost pressure and ignition advance.

So if i take all of the above data and think about it my logic says the M2 just runs a higher stock tune compared to m235i.

We all know all dynos read different. So unless this company provides real world pbox data to match their high hp figures I stand with my statement.

Everybody chooses what he wants to believe. The M2 just like other N55's needs a pure stage2 to get a decent increase in power. My 2 cents.

Everyone should choose what they want to believe and what is best for their m2. Our data is based on our experience with the car as other companies and enthusiasts who actually test things share their experiences. You are correct dynos read different for over a dozen reasons but...We were the second dyno posted on the forum with Active and IND and guys out of Cali to follow everyone was with in 5hp. (Not in that order). The power is nothing shocking the guys out of CA are making similar power with their tuning setup. As for data boost has been disclosed for both 17psi and 21psi runs. Anyways thanks for the input there is nothing wrong with being skeptical of anything in life.

PeterPure · 05-16-2016, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TTFS

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

Look you seem to be a guy that takes everything for true without questioning.

I am a guy that needs real world proof before believing.

I have seen the M2 turbo and it has same turbine and compressor side as M235i turbo. So it will push the same air volume. Power comes from air and fuel and ignition advance. On N54tech there are people that posted stock tune logs so you can see boost pressure and ignition advance.

So if i take all of the above data and think about it my logic says the M2 just runs a higher stock tune compared to m235i.

We all know all dynos read different. So unless this company provides real world pbox data to match their high hp figures I stand with my statement.

Everybody chooses what he wants to believe. The M2 just like other N55's needs a pure stage2 to get a decent increase in power. My 2 cents.

Everyone should choose what they want to believe and what is best for their m2. Our data is based on our experience with the car as other companies and enthusiasts who actually test things share their experiences. You are correct dynos read different for over a dozen reasons but...We were the second dyno posted on the forum with Active and IND and guys out of Cali to follow everyone was with in 5hp. (Not in that order). The power is nothing shocking the guys out of CA are making similar power with their tuning setup. As for data boost has been disclosed for both 17psi and 21psi runs. Anyways thanks for the input there is nothing wrong with being skeptical of anything in life.

If you post 60-130 pbox data that would be appreciated

Vtec Abuser · 05-16-2016, 03:53 PM

I too would very much like to see some Vbox data to believe that this M2 is running well over 100 crank bhp gains from mapping and DP (or approx 150bhp gains on a 235i N55 if the turbo is the same?).

If you can supply some 60-130mph/100-200kmh data (verified through this site www.vboxverify.com ), it would generate even more interest in your software if the acceleration numbers match the dyno numbers.

A 430whp (480+ crank) M2 would be pulling at least 9.x on a 60-130 run IMO.

PeterPure · 05-26-2016, 09:19 AM

FYI i installed JB4 on my buddy M2 the other night. We measured 100-200 with pbox. On map0 JB4 disabled we did 11.9. On map1 we did best 10.0.

The car still had stock intercooler and stock downpipe. He was running 93 octane fuel.

Yellowflash21 · 05-26-2016, 09:56 AM

Nice so you did notice the difference with overall acceleration!

paradoxical3 · 05-26-2016, 10:03 AM

I am going to the drag strip tomorrow if weather is good. Car has downpipe and intercooler, I will run stock boost and JB4 map 1 and 2.

Yellowflash21 · 05-26-2016, 10:08 AM

Which IC you got, and how easy it was to fit it?

paradoxical3 · 05-26-2016, 10:08 AM

Ambient Thermal Management. Very impressed with the quality. Using an ER chargepipe as well. The intercooler takes 10 minutes to install...the chargepipe takes 1-2 hours because of how tight it is.

135iDCT · 05-27-2016, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

FYI i installed JB4 on my buddy M2 the other night. We measured 100-200 with pbox. On map0 JB4 disabled we did 11.9. On map1 we did best 10.0.

The car still had stock intercooler and stock downpipe. He was running 93 octane fuel.

stock m2 dct i did 10,5 100-200

PeterPure · 05-28-2016, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 135iDCT

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

FYI i installed JB4 on my buddy M2 the other night. We measured 100-200 with pbox. On map0 JB4 disabled we did 11.9. On map1 we did best 10.0.

The car still had stock intercooler and stock downpipe. He was running 93 octane fuel.

stock m2 dct i did 10,5 100-200

Mine did 11.9 on flat surface

135iDCT · 05-28-2016, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

Mine did 11.9 on flat surface

me too flat but i shift at 6500 for better results

PeterPure · 05-28-2016, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 135iDCT

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Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

Mine did 11.9 on flat surface

me too flat but i shift at 6500 for better results

I will ask my buddy to do some more runs. He now has decat pipe installed.

Vtec Abuser · 06-01-2016, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 135iDCT

me too flat but i shift at 6500 for better results

One easy way to prove things for both of you..

www.vboxverify.com

Get your results up on there and we will see what's what

FSociety · 06-01-2016, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by paradoxical3

I am going to the drag strip tomorrow if weather is good. Car has downpipe and intercooler, I will run stock boost and JB4 map 1 and 2.

How did it go ?

1azycat · 06-02-2016, 01:38 AM

Any log of the boost curve? 21psi taper to what? I believe stock turbo will taper to 15 or 16psi max.. If so, that dyno curve does not make sense.

TTFS · 06-05-2016, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Vtec Abuser

One easy way to prove things for both of you..

www.vboxverify.com

Get your results up on there and we will see what's what

I will see if I can get it in the next week or two. I am interested as well. The hard part is father time. If you are on the east coast the car will be running at Mpact

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Originally Posted by 1azycat

Any log of the boost curve? 21psi taper to what? I believe stock turbo will taper to 15 or 16psi max.. If so, that dyno curve does not make sense.

What type of data are you using for what you believe. I have a video of the boost hitting 20psi during testing before we raised it another lb. Are you comparing it to dyno graphs of other n55 motors on piggy backs? If so ECU tuning and piggy back tuning are slightly different, but that's not relevant to this thread feel free to pm.

SeanWRT · 09-18-2016, 10:04 PM

Though still a little skeptical about the results posted here, I'm interested to know if any further progress has been made since it's been 5 months.

In addition, have you tested the gains with flash on stock car on 91 Oct?

Thanks.

05-14-2016, 11:49 AM	#93
zenmaster Brigadier General 1577 Rep 3,888 Posts Drives: '17 M2 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (1)	Eh, something not making sense here, regardless of turbo measurements. Yes we all know what the standard (or non-B30T0) N55 limitations are, including TTFS. With the standard N55 w/ DP, intake, intercooler, 335i, their tune dynos the typical/expected ~370whp. Nothing seems inflated.
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05-16-2016, 03:53 PM	#96
Vtec Abuser First Lieutenant 35 Rep 367 Posts Drives: 2012 135i DCT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Every-bloody-where.. iTrader: (0)	I too would very much like to see some Vbox data to believe that this M2 is running well over 100 crank bhp gains from mapping and DP (or approx 150bhp gains on a 235i N55 if the turbo is the same?). If you can supply some 60-130mph/100-200kmh data (verified through this site www.vboxverify.com ), it would generate even more interest in your software if the acceleration numbers match the dyno numbers. A 430whp (480+ crank) M2 would be pulling at least 9.x on a 60-130 run IMO.
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05-26-2016, 09:19 AM	#97
PeterPure Major 677 Rep 1,349 Posts Drives: BMW F80 M3 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belgium iTrader: (0) Garage List 2017 BMW F80 M3 [0.00]	FYI i installed JB4 on my buddy M2 the other night. We measured 100-200 with pbox. On map0 JB4 disabled we did 11.9. On map1 we did best 10.0. The car still had stock intercooler and stock downpipe. He was running 93 octane fuel.
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Yellowflash21 First Lieutenant 370 Rep 354 Posts Drives: M2 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Slovenia iTrader: (0)	Nice so you did notice the difference with overall acceleration!
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05-26-2016, 10:03 AM	#99
paradoxical3 Lieutenant Colonel 1008 Rep 1,563 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (6)	I am going to the drag strip tomorrow if weather is good. Car has downpipe and intercooler, I will run stock boost and JB4 map 1 and 2.
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05-26-2016, 10:08 AM	#100
Yellowflash21 First Lieutenant 370 Rep 354 Posts Drives: M2 Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Slovenia iTrader: (0)	Which IC you got, and how easy it was to fit it?
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05-26-2016, 10:08 AM	#101
paradoxical3 Lieutenant Colonel 1008 Rep 1,563 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (6)	Ambient Thermal Management. Very impressed with the quality. Using an ER chargepipe as well. The intercooler takes 10 minutes to install...the chargepipe takes 1-2 hours because of how tight it is.
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06-02-2016, 01:38 AM	#108
1azycat Enlisted Member 11 Rep 48 Posts Drives: 2017 F80 M3 CP Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: sg iTrader: (0)	Any log of the boost curve? 21psi taper to what? I believe stock turbo will taper to 15 or 16psi max.. If so, that dyno curve does not make sense.
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09-18-2016, 10:04 PM	#110
SeanWRT Colonel 3179 Rep 2,577 Posts Drives: E90 M3 & F87 M2 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Shanghai iTrader: (1)	Though still a little skeptical about the results posted here, I'm interested to know if any further progress has been made since it's been 5 months. In addition, have you tested the gains with flash on stock car on 91 Oct? Thanks.
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