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      01-17-2020, 11:06 AM   #45
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So we're in agreement then; it's there for appearances.

Anyways, don't get me started on how asinine it is for BMW considering a 3,500lbs car with back seats a track car.. But that's a whole other discussion.
According to the recent articles, even the next 911 turbo S gained 100 pounds and is over 3,700 pounds. That car's base price is about double in price to the M2 CS. The CS is not perfect but pretty good for what it is (more advanced M2). The 911 GT3 is lighter, but what I heard is that you have to be an elite Porsche customer at a dealer to be offered an allocation for a GT3.
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So we're in agreement then; it's there for appearances.

Anyways, don't get me started on how asinine it is for BMW considering a 3,500lbs car with back seats a track car.. But that's a whole other discussion.
The CS is not perfect but pretty good for what it is (more advanced M2). .
I'm not saying it's a bad car, I would take one in a heartbeat!

But surely I wouldn't consider it a track weapon. I'm sure you can have some fun but if you're serious about Hanging Ten around an apex, it certainly wouldn't be my first choice for such duties.
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So we're in agreement then; it's there for appearances.

Anyways, don't get me started on how asinine it is for BMW considering a 3,500lbs car with back seats a track car.. But that's a whole other discussion.

Weight/seats is rather an arbitrary measure to determine if something is a track car/weapon or not. So the 4100 lbs and back seats of a Camaro ZL1 means it is not track capable then? Miata must be the answer then as it always is to all questions . Less seats and weight!
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Makes you wonder how much weight the G87 M2 will weigh. The 3,500 pounds for the CS may look preferable.
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So we're in agreement then; it's there for appearances.

Anyways, don't get me started on how asinine it is for BMW considering a 3,500lbs car with back seats a track car.. But that's a whole other discussion.

Weight/seats is rather an arbitrary measure to determine if something is a track car/weapon or not. So the 4100 lbs and back seats of a Camaro ZL1 means it is not track capable then? Miata must be the answer then as it always is to all questions . Less seats and weight!
I was thinking more S2000, Evolution 10, or if I manage to rob a bank; Cayman GT3/4.

Wasn't trying to take anything away from the M2 or CS but I've seen enough YouTube videos and noticed how much over-correcting needs to be done to keep it strait, on a track.

It doesn't seem like a good candidate for such activities. Of course that's just my opinion.
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I was thinking more S2000, Evolution 10, or if I manage to rob a bank; Cayman GT3/4.

Wasn't trying to take anything away from the M2 or CS but I've seen enough YouTube videos and noticed how much over-correcting needs to be done to keep it strait, on a track.

It doesn't seem like a good candidate for such activities. Of course that's just my opinion.
S2000 is a good track car for sure and I enjoyed the year I autocrossed one, light compared to modern cars - 400 lbs lighter than the GT4 as well. I've not thought of the Evo as a track car - but that's a personal bias. However, they are a lot of fun and are about the same weight as the M2. The M2 is a short wheel base, rear drive high horsepower car. It'll be a handful at times depending on traction settings. I'm generally impressed in most reviews and videos at how it responds to correction. Any car at the limit will require a fair bit of inputs. I am a little concerned by Matt Farah's review of the M2 as there wasn't much happy going on in that one, but it sure seemed to be an outlier to others. There is an entire set of threads on here discussing how the M2 is under-tired on the rear, likely by design. The low rear traction ups the street "fun" factor. Tracking it and wanting to reduce throttle induced oversteer means bumping up to a 285 rear tire to balance the car from what I've interpreted.

Side note... the 718 GT4 weights 3,199 lbs to an M2 comp 3,417. An M2 CS with CCB's and the most optimistic of various rumors could put at around ~3,350lbs. That's not THAT big of a weight difference. CG is fairly different though which isn't insignificant.
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S2000 is a good track car for sure and I enjoyed the year I autocrossed one, light compared to modern cars - 400 lbs lighter than the GT4 as well. I've not thought of the Evo as a track car - but that's a personal bias. However, they are a lot of fun and are about the same weight as the M2. The M2 is a short wheel base, rear drive high horsepower car. It'll be a handful at times depending on traction settings. I'm generally impressed in most reviews and videos at how it responds to correction. Any car at the limit will require a fair bit of inputs. I am a little concerned by Matt Farah's review of the M2 as there wasn't much happy going on in that one, but it sure seemed to be an outlier to others. There is an entire set of threads on here discussing how the M2 is under-tired on the rear, likely by design. The low rear traction ups the street "fun" factor. Tracking it and wanting to reduce throttle induced oversteer means bumping up to a 285 rear tire to balance the car from what I've interpreted.

Side note... the 718 GT4 weights 3,199 lbs to an M2 comp 3,417. An M2 CS with CCB's and the most optimistic of various rumors could put at around ~3,350lbs. That's not THAT big of a weight difference. CG is fairly different though which isn't insignificant.
Regarding your side note, the M2 CS has about 30 horsepower and 100 ft of torque more than 718 GT4.
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Regarding your side note, the M2 CS has about 30 horsepower and 100 ft of torque more than 718 GT4.
Indeed, and that's rated, not to mention BMW tends to dyno rather high with Porsche more to rated. I test drove the GT4 and M2 within a few weeks of each other and liked the M2 a lot more. Familiarity may have been a part of it, and it wasn't on track, but I'm pretty darn comfortable spending the same amount of money and choosing the CS for my needs which will include quite a bit of track time. Something I've been doing in various forms for 17 years at this point.
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M2 CS vid from Brussels with black wheels red brakes

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WoW, that car is scorching hot!

The hood looks so bulbous and mean.

Misano blue let's you know it's not a run-of-the-mill M2 but something special.

It's truly a nice package.. And a manual to round it off..

But I guess in the grand scheme of things, you can throw 25k at a Competition and be just as contented.
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I forget how nice my current interior is until I watch these videos. Not a big deal, but damn.

I'm guessing these show cars are paint corrected? I plan to have the dealership leave all the shipping plastic on and have my detailer remove it before he gets to work.
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I forget how nice mi current interior is until I watch these videos. Not a big deal, but damn.

I'm guessing these show cars are paint corrected? I plan to have the dealership leave all the shipping plastic on and have my detailer remove it before he gets to work.
To be fair it might not be. Both my Sapphire OG M2 & M2C for perfect straight from the factory. I was pleasantly surprised. Both had full PPF and I will be doing the same to my M2CS.

I think Im going white with Ceramics and gold wheels but with a twist.........Im going to have the gold calipers done red (or buy a red set) and have the wheels done white gold. GT3RS style basically.
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To be fair it might not be. Both my Sapphire OG M2 & M2C for perfect straight from the factory. I was pleasantly surprised. Both had full PPF and I will be doing the same to my M2CS.

I think Im going white with Ceramics and gold wheels but with a twist.........Im going to have the gold calipers done red (or buy a red set) and have the wheels done white gold. GT3RS style basically.
Good call. I really like the red calipers with gold wheels. The yellow on gold didn't pop as much. Really like that gold, red, white combo.

Edit: perfect from factory would be nice. Less money on paint correction. I'm just doing a ceramic coating. Maybe some ppf on the front splitter, air intakes, etc. I left the ppf on the jag in those areas and has been great for bug removal. Very few stone dings, and nothing severe. The windshield is a different story. Big stone chips, little stone chips, it's crazy. Going with Cquartz some that is what detailer has been using for a long time and still maintains education on products. Plus I'm confident in his work. Current car was paint correct only. No ceramic or ppf and depth is fantastic.

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To be fair it might not be. Both my Sapphire OG M2 & M2C for perfect straight from the factory. I was pleasantly surprised. Both had full PPF and I will be doing the same to my M2CS.

I think Im going white with Ceramics and gold wheels but with a twist.........Im going to have the gold calipers done red (or buy a red set) and have the wheels done white gold. GT3RS style basically.
Good call. I really like the red calipers with gold wheels. The yellow on gold didn't pop as much. Really like that gold, red, white combo.

Edit: perfect from factory would be nice. Less money on paint correction. I'm just doing a ceramic coating. Maybe some ppf on the front splitter, air intakes, etc. I left the ppf on the jag in those areas and has been great for bug removal. Very few stone dings, and nothing severe. The windshield is a different story. Big stone chips, little stone chips, it's crazy. Going with Cquartz some that is what detailer has been using for a long time and still maintains education on products. Plus I'm confident in his work. Current car was paint correct only. No ceramic or ppf and depth is fantastic.
Good point well reminded! The windscreens are rubbish for chips. Here in the UK you can get a PPF for screens, which I think I will get too. Sure it is available over in the US too.
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I will definitely look into that. Thanks!
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Car looks great. Next and last big reveal will be driving reviews. Surprised no one has leaked any driving feel yet.
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Not sure if angle of photo but it just looks odd? It's no Cayman GT4 rival on looks will be interesting to see how it goes on track. I pulled my deposit and so far I am not unhappy with decision
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Car is a real looker. Last nice car from the brand. Everything else looks bloated imo, overdesigned or the proportions are way off. It‘s sad because I‘m an enthusiast and loved the brand .
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