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      12-21-2019, 02:20 PM   #23
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That blue G20 330e look pretty slick to me. Doesn't scream dorky EV. Read it drives even better than an F30.
Everything drives better than an F30 :P
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      12-22-2019, 08:47 AM   #24
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A new motor for the i3 is $3000-- with lifetime warranty, if you get it from FCP. Given that it only has one moving part, though, pretty unlikely to fail-- I haven't seen any examples.

Undamaged battery backs can be had used for $3000-4000, from low mileage crashed cars. That said, Samsung (makes the battery pack) says that, with average use, the battery should be good for 526,000 miles. Should be sufficient.

Other than that... there's not really any mechanical components to fail. No trans, no diff, no turbos, no belts, no exhaust, none of the endless ICE sensors, etc.

Should be a LOT cheaper out of warranty. Said as someone who currently owns a nearly 200,000 mile M5, a nearly 200,000 mile M3, and a 160,000 mile M3 with 20,000+ track miles on it-- one of which was owned from new (aka, I'm familiar with owning ICE BMWs out of warranty).
Yes. There is a rumor the Samsung battery pack is unofficially good for 20 years, the 1st Gen from 2014. So it should already be better with actual Gen. However, my own five year old packs of i3 and i8 show not the slightest weakness.

And yes, maintenance cost and energy costs are so much better.
I've already saved thousands of $ compared to the former 5 and X5.
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      12-23-2019, 12:34 PM   #25
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Nobody is trying to pay $75k for a base E-tron when a similar looking and similar sized Q5 sitting next to it is $40k cheaper. The larger and more luxurious Q7 is $20k cheaper.
That's 100% intentional.
They don't want to sell an electric car but they have to, and their philosophy is -if you want it you want it - and are willing to pay a lot more for it.
They do the same for custom colors, etc.

(I had family go look at the plug in 5 series, and no joke, the salespeople are telling him not to bother if they are looking for an electric as it only gets 20 miles range, as if that's a bad thing! His commute is only 10 miles and he'd never use gas and save a fortune over a tesla (lease to lease), plus be able to refill in a pinch anywhere).

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      12-23-2019, 09:51 PM   #26
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That's 100% intentional.
They don't want to sell an electric car but they have to, and their philosophy is -if you want it you want it - and are willing to pay a lot more for it.
They do the same for custom colors, etc.

(I had family go look at the plug in 5 series, and no joke, the salespeople are telling him not to bother if they are looking for an electric as it only gets 20 miles range, as if that's a bad thing! His commute is only 10 miles and he'd never use gas and save a fortune over a tesla (lease to lease), plus be able to refill in a pinch anywhere).

Seth
wow that's a shame. I just picked up my MY20 530e in October and it is a fantastic car. When compared to the ICE 530i it is a better buy unless you're in a very specific set of use cases. Especially if you can charge at home!

Some advantages:
  • Run the AC or Heat to pre-condition the cabin on a schedule or via the app (ICE can only "ventilate")
  • Gets HOV lane access in some states
  • Super smooth electric driving allowing you to reduce time wasted at gas stations
  • EV tax credit
  • No markup over ICE
  • Less brake wear thanks to regenerative braking
  • Electric motor torque so you feel more punch
  • No HP loss over ICE
  • Faster AC & Heat as they run off Hybrid Battery and don't need to wait on engine to reach temp for full power
  • No Engine Start/Stop
  • Etc
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      12-24-2019, 12:09 PM   #27
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I'm still trying to convince them to re-think it.
They are coming from mercedes, and superficially like the cars better, but hate the brand experience.
They love tesla the best, but the financial terms are the poorest.

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