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M2 CS cars for sale: already 145 on mobile.de and 158 on autoscout24.com
145 M2 CS cars for sale on mobile.de: see here.
Looks like many people thought they would make money on the M2 CS due to the limited production ...but actually you start to see quite a number of new cars below the listed base price (which I believe was around 93,000 Euro in Germany) EDIT by Artemis MSRP was €95K in Germany and €96.5K in Belgium. Zero options equals Alpine White with 6MT. Opt for BSM, HS or MB with M-DCT and the MSRP bumped over €100K. Although the EURO-spec car can no longer be ordered right now, it ain't complicated to find one. 158 M2 CS cars for sale on Auto Scout24: see here. |
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I wonder how many of these are valid, the various sites in the US like cars.com, autotrader, etc have their stock automatically populate into their respective accounts even if the car is pre-sold, it seems to be an automated process with dealer accounts. Sometimes they have pre-determined discounts that factor potential manufacturer rebates available but those too are YMMV based on your qualification to use them.
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Look at that specific one. https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/d...1-6c907316f25e Seems to be a BMW dealer selling 11,000 Euro below the listed price |
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As commented earlier:
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The USA is a different market.
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The « problem » is that the price of this car is clearly « G82 like » so I believe potential customers in this budget are waiting G82. This is perfectly understandable for the lot who want the new tech and the S58.
I skip the GTS/GT4 « competitor » because I think CS or M4 customers need 4 seats. I have to say I had some hesitation with G8x since I like new tech too. But the (front) look, size and weight changed my mind plus I had a heartbeat when seeing the CS in real life.
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In Europe (and also several other parts of the world) cars like the M2 CS, the Cayman GT4 and the new M3/M4 are heavily taxed (apart from VAT, several countries impose a purchase or emissions tax, annual road tax, etc.) + are more and more fiscally discouraged. No such tight tax/fiscal policies exist (yet) in the US. At some point, those incentives have a tipping-point effect: part of the people who considered buying those cars, don't buy it in the end. Ask yourself as a US citizen who's into the market to buy a fully kitted-out M2 CS: are you willing to fork out $178K for the car as in The Netherlands (€150,595 - see the picture below of this M2 CS) ? As noted before: Quote:
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Nope! Definitely not. Although, wages/taxes/price of goods may all make the comparison a little less apples to apples, but assuming things were close I would not.
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Despite being discussed ad nauseam as the proverbial elephant in the room: cost (purchase price, taxes and fiscal regimes) is inevitably a significant part of the equation for most people when buying a special car, apart from the emotions of (potential) ownership and driving fun. Sense and sensibility. No money, no honey.
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Yes taxes play a big factor. This is a shame because there aren't true alternatives yet regarding this type of cars. As these cars only concern « rich » people they don't really care. I paid mine under 90'000€ (which still pricy). I wouldn't buy this car if it costs me above 100k euro for sure.
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Artemis, that price is breathtaking. Though I'm very fortunate to be in a position that I could buy it without duress, I can't imagine paying much more than $100K USD for this car (noting mine is without CCB and DCT). $150,000+ will fetch you a pretty nice 28-foot cabin cruiser (if you're into that sort of thing). Serious money.
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For me personally I had set a budget in the 80-100k range and said "what is best FOR ME" in that range and after doing the research and test drives was happiest with the CS. Value propositions be damned in some cases . Over 100K and it's a whole different market. Set a hard stop at 70k, also a totally different market. There's an AMAZING set of cars at the 40k mark too. Sense and sensibility, no money no honey, indeed!
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In France a €20K "grey card" tax (± $23.6K) is charged for an M2 CS, which will apparently be further raised to €40K ($47.2K) in 2021 when purchasing this type of car. Quote:
"What hurts is the 20.000 EUR for the 'carte grise'. And it was not particularly foreseen because the order was made before the [tax] change. On January 1st [2020] they [the French tax authorities] raised their tariff. And so it was a 'small surprise' at delivery."
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The problem is that several countries are doing some sort of protectionism with their « ecological » taxes (like France). Taxes are fine if we have infrastructures and enough electrical cars alternatives. But for now the only true electric car that you can buy is Tesla... Still, at the end of the day, nobody can argue that cars are ecological. This is a vast hypocrisy. I am not totally against electrification but I believe some EU countries are a bit too demagogic with their « ecological taxes ».
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- 10.5K in 2019 - 20K in 2020 - 40K in 2021 - 50K in 2022 ...They really want to kill this (small) market segment |
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Well, that escalated quickly. Iceberg ahead for BMW M dealers in France.
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