[arciga18]

Originally Posted by mprezme

I can only relay what I was provided. They say they do, "we sell 250 cars a month." based on who they are, I think they will.

Yes, but those same stores that are volume M dealers already have waiting lists.

If you want to buy the car and be the first in line at that store this seems like a good a opportunity .


What if you told the store .... , if you don't get an allocation you pay me 1000k for my time. Would they bite and would they honor it.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by arciga18

Yes, but those same stores that are volume M dealers already have waiting lists.

If you want to buy the car and be the first in line at that store this seems like a good a opportunity .


What if you told the store .... , if you don't get an allocation you pay me 1000k for my time. Would they bite and would they honor it.

I have been on many wait lists when the M2 came out and even when I purchased my M2c. Let me tell you a secret. When its time to buy people will back out and you will move up the line... Not everyone on the waiting list will buy the car. Once its time to open up their checkbook people will run. Thats the forunate or unfortunate truth which my client advisor experienced first hand. I got bumped up 3-4 spots when I did European Delivery on my M2c back in 2018 when it first was not in the States yet.

[mprezme]

Originally Posted by chmura

I have been on many wait lists when the M2 came out and even when I purchased my M2c. Let me tell you a secret. When its time to buy people will back out and you will move up the line... Not everyone on the waiting list will buy the car. Once its time to open up their checkbook people will run. Thats the forunate or unfortunate truth which my client advisor experienced first hand. I got bumped up 3-4 spots when I did European Delivery on my M2c back in 2018 when it first was not in the States yet.

100% agree. We enjoy the chase. Called many dealers and some mention local only. Luckily some say no down payment.

[Hedoniste]

In Switzerland there are several sitting at dealership. And I can have one for 95kchf (126kchf without discount). So this is 24% of discount. I am still debating if I am going for one or wait for a G8x (i know these are different car).

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by chmura

Like I said couple of waves of allocations coming in get purchased typically at MSRP and higher by enthusisats and people who have to have the car.

After this the hype runs low and people wont be interested in purchasing almost end of life cycle M2 CS that is overpriced from the M2c.

I am interested in the M2 CS but no way in hell I am paying MSRP for it especially when the M3 CS, M4 CS and M4 GTS started getting discounted at the end of production timeframe. M2 end of production is June 2021, so alot of M2 CS still may be built.

I thought it was confirmed that the CS will only be built from September - December 2020 in the US.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Hedoniste

In Switzerland there are several sitting at dealership. And I can have one for 95kchf (126kchf without discount). So this is 24% of discount. I am still debating if I am going for one or wait for a G8x (i know these are different car).

A 24% discount for an M2 CS is the highest discount I heard so far. I heard about forum members getting offered 22% in Germany and 20% in France. I recall that during M2 CS launch last November (before the COVID-19 era) getting a 10% discount was possible in Belgium.

The US is a different market: as long as people are prepared to pay MSRP or even a mark-up, some dealers will continue to refuse offering discounts.

Don't forget that the economic recession (worsened by the COVID-19 situation) has also hit the car industry quite hard. Ask dealers about how their car sales are faring lately. But for some people who like to own or lease specific cars, money is just a number and they pay whatever figure the dealer wants.

[sdhotwn]

Originally Posted by chmura

No. Prices on the M2 CS will quickly drop at dealerships as time goes by and initial hype decreases. Sometimes the initial release cars get marked up. This has happened with M2, M2C, M4 CS, M3 CS, even the M4 GTS. After the 3rd, 4th wave of allocations come in all these vehicles started to be discounted. I strongly beleive this will happen with the M2 CS as well. Next year we will see them discounted.

What are you basing this on? There is no next year for the CS. There is literally less than 16 weeks of production time left to allocate sell an build every M2 CS that is going to exist.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Hegge

I thought it was confirmed that the CS will only be built from September - December 2020 in the US.

AFAIK scheduled for the US-spec F87: M2 CS production till December 31, 2020 and M2C production till June 30, 2021.

But that was before the COVID-19 situation occurred. Due to the COVID-19 situation, BMW sales and BMW production was stopped several weeks (dealerships and production facilities measures) and test drive reviews delayed (reduced marketing promoting/hyping the car), which may have affected achieving the scheduled EURO-spec M2 CS production target. Additional complication: time pressure because of further tightened EU emissions legislation resulting into 'check-mate' for the S55 engine (just like the N55 engine sporting the original M2 was no longer allowed from September 2018 onwards).

Originally Posted by MR.

European cars are build first so that they have a CoC [Certificate of Conformity] before end of August since the S55 engine is not compliant anymore from September onwards.

At the moment it is unknown whether all EURO-spec allocations have been spoken for or whether BMW allocated M2 CS cars regardless whether ordered or not (requiring bigger dealerships to take one, even without a customer order).

Let's see whether stronger demand in the US 'could' induce BMW to allocate and produce more US spec M2 CS in 2020 than initially scheduled, to achieve the 2200 cars target ("Due to overwhelming M2 CS demand in the US, we are pleased to announce [yadda-yadda]..."). Or - mere speculation - whether production till June 2021 would even be considered (extension), so that US spec M2C and M2 CS would both end production in June 2021 (if logistically possible for BMW).

Anyways, if BMW manages to produce and sell 2200 M2 CS to customers (let's distinguish this from cars delivered to dealerships: AFAIK for BMW a car delivered to a dealer is a 'sold' car, regardless whether the dealer has a customer for it), it may consider the M2 CS project a commercial success.

[sdhotwn]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Or - mere speculation - whether production till June 2021 would even be considered (extension), so that US spec M2C and M2 CS would both end production in June 2021 (if logistically possible for BMW).

I thought this was not possible with the MY20 designation. They HAD to be produced before January 1st.

I think the one thing I'm curious about, purely from a thought exercise, is if BMW stopped making any M2C's, just how many M2CS's they could crank out in September-December given the plant shutdowns they still have to do. That's the theoretical maximum number of US spec CS's in my mind.

Looked like they cranked out something like 13,000 worldwide in 2017 maybe? so in theory around 1000 units a month is my best guess for a theoretical maximum, but a practical maximum would be closer to 20% for US spec CS's I'd guess as they wouldn't stop M2C sales. Even that may be optimistic as that would assume somewhere around half of all US M2 production would have to be converted during that timeframe (US is largest M market - I thought like 40% right? I'm unsure on the number). So do the math across 4 months time period - 1000/month, 40% US bound, half CS, that's 200/month. So 800 cars would be the maximum US CS allocation (and even that is optimistic as no allocations in September seem to exist.. so sub 600, MAX?!? makes the 400ish estimate that has been bandied about seem pretty accurate. )

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by sdhotwn

I thought this was not possible with the MY20 designation. They HAD to be produced before January 1st.

Good point.

[Racer59]

Originally Posted by BMrDrmr

Has anyone gotten a confirmed allocation for an M2CS in the US yet? I have a dealership guaranteeing me an allocation....

This is only way to get updates by signing up as far as I know


https://www.bmwusa.com/limited-editi...les/m2-cs.html

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Racer59

This is only way to get updates by signing up as far as I know


https://www.bmwusa.com/limited-editi...les/m2-cs.html

I've signed up a couple times and have never heard anything. I was at the dealership yesterday test driving an X5. They had a demo 840i listed for $87k (assume
it can be had for less). The interior was incredible. Had to laugh at paying ~ 87k for the M2CS, which does not have incredible an incredible interior. Blue M4CS on showroom floor with a lease price in the $8**/mo range, which means it's not $108k anymore.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I've signed up a couple times and have never heard anything. I was at the dealership yesterday test driving an X5. They had a demo 840i listed for $87k (assume
it can be had for less). The interior was incredible. Had to laugh at paying ~ 87k for the M2CS, which does not have incredible an incredible interior. Blue M4CS on showroom floor with a lease price in the $8**/mo range, which means it's not $108k anymore.

Any idea if CS orders will be this month or October?

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Any idea if CS orders will be this month or October?

Nope, my rumors are dry. The dates my source gave me are now past. Ill harass him again. He's probably tired of my emails. In all honesty I'm surprised he responds.

Edit: Dealerships should receive their allocations this week.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by mprezme

Are there M2 CS sitting on lots now in the countries it has been released. I think picking one up on lease transfer is a good possibility as hype decreases and they get bored. if a lease exists on these.

I know of 2 in the U.K.

[mprezme]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I know of 2 in the U.K.

I'm sure one will sit on lot somewhere in US.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by mprezme

I'm sure one will sit on lot somewhere in US.

I also know now a little as to why they 'sit' at least in the U.K.

The dealer I'm aware of with 2 isn't allowed to, or should I say willing, to actively sell/advertise such as on social media. They're obviously cancelled customer orders but if they advertise them BMW UK want it back to central allocation.

This they must hold onto them and display only on the dealership. Which probably takes a little longer than normal sales and plus the price of course.

I get it a little more now. Doesn't always mean unpopular......more somewhat rare and valuable still and dealers looking to hang onto them.

[chrisfortier]

No October allocations have been released yet, but my dealer is getting M2CS delivery training on Friday. One step closer!

[BMrDrmr]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Nope, my rumors are dry. The dates my source gave me are now past. Ill harass him again. He's probably tired of my emails. In all honesty I'm surprised he responds.

Edit: Dealerships should receive their allocations this week.

If this is the case I'll be ready to sign paperwork.. Let's hope there's an allocation for me!

[sdhotwn]

Allocations in next two days is word from my SA (matches Dave's info, but training next week Friday). WOOHOO!

[medphysdave]

I'll be signing paperwork for my CS and X5 at the same time. Maybe I'll get a loyalty credit

We checked the system right before I left this evening, and nothing in yet.

[sdhotwn]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I'll be signing paperwork for my CS and X5 at the same time. Maybe I'll get a loyalty credit

We checked the system right before I left this evening, and nothing in yet.

Which X5 variant?