CS buying (Europe)

tjlazer · 11-19-2022, 10:08 AM

Featured on BIMMERPOST.com

Hello everyone, I’m planning to join the CS team and have a couple of options lined up. Value wise we are seeing decent prices here with official BMW dealer cars at around the 80k mark and independent dealers a little less. I have a car local to me that’s interesting as it has CCB, akrapovic and éventuri already installed plus a ton of BMW performance carbon extras and it’s from BMW who are offering a 4 year warranty. It’s on for 75k…the reason being it has 33k old fashioned miles (54km). I’ve taken a good look at it and everything is pretty tidy but clearly it was much used over 2 years including over winter as the chassis shows some accumulated grime and surface corrosion on some bolts etc. It’s hockenheim silver with black or gold wheels. On the other hand there are a couple of black cars on much lower miles (8k or less) for a few thousand more but lacking CCB and the extras, just pretty much the stock car (not that there were really any options).
I’m leaning to lower miles as I imagine this will help the car hold value but I have had enough black cars to know they are a nightmare to keep clean. Unfortunately I don’t really gel with blue so that’s out for now. What’s the view on how things bear up to mileage?
My research on CCB benefits remains inconclusive but obviously everyone loves gold bling

Also any benefits for the manual seats?
I should add the cars I’m looking at are all DCT as manual cars are super rare here and command a ridiculous premium (15k plus). I’ve tried the f80 comp and really didn’t think much of the manual with this engine anyway!
Anyway cheers for this great forum and let me know your thoughts, in this game I can’t see that any option is a bad one!

Jimjamz · 11-19-2022, 02:23 PM

Sound like a good deal on a good spec.

Though I am biased

CC3586 · 11-19-2022, 06:08 PM

My one keep in original spec.
Collector car no need mods 😂

sdhotwn · 11-20-2022, 06:49 AM

If you are looking to daily it and like the mods, the reliability is high enough that I wouldn't worry about the miles. Does the dealer have a service history for it?

If you are worried about holding value then less mods and less miles and plan to drive it less yourself as well.

tjlazer · 11-20-2022, 10:00 AM

Cheers all, I think changing the exhaust is something I would do anyway as I'm coming from a 6.3 c63 estate so obviously the drama is 'quite a bit' less with the s55 and the opf filters. I've found a low miles black/gold car with a milltek road legal setup that does away with the rear ballbags so I think that's the one for me…I'm a little nervous to go ceramics as I don't fancy paying 10% of the cars value for a new set of rotors and I live less than 90 minutes from Spa/Nurburgring so I plan to track it from time to time…

aroundelway · 11-20-2022, 09:02 PM

Manuals are not rare at all in the EU. I had my pick of them a year ago when I decided to not buy a second CS for Spain. Back then they were below MSRP.

33k miles is a lot of miles for the time period. Someone had fun.

SilverM2_CS · 11-21-2022, 11:12 AM

I wouldn't worry about 33k miles on a 2 year old car. These things can handle a great deal and that would not put me off.

Jimjamz · 11-21-2022, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverM2_CS

I wouldn't worry about 33k miles on a 2 year old car. These things can handle a great deal and that would not put me off.

Agreed. I did 50k on my F80 with a S55. Not a blip of an issue after almost 7 years. The M2 CS has the standard S55 engine from the F8x comp so nothing special on that front. That's a small thing but something that sets it apart from the other CS models in the M range.

I'd be far more worried about a car with 5k miles that had been beaten up on a track than a 33k car with only everyday driving miles on its counter.

tjlazer · 11-21-2022, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aroundelway

Manuals are not rare at all in the EU. I had my pick of them a year ago when I decided to not buy a second CS for Spain. Back then they were below MSRP.

33k miles is a lot of miles for the time period. Someone had fun.

If you look at the number on sale there are just under 50 available in Europe, only 5 manuals and starting at 92k. It's a big mark up. I'm just kicking myself as I passed on a 2k miles, manual, ccb misant car on at my local bmw dealer for 88k a year ago, stupidly thinking the price would soften up a bit!

F87EVO · 11-22-2022, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aroundelway

Manuals are not rare at all in the EU. I had my pick of them a year ago when I decided to not buy a second CS for Spain. Back then they were below MSRP.

33k miles is a lot of miles for the time period. Someone had fun.

Manual M2CS are by far rarer in EU than automatics- i would guess 15% manuals to 85% autos. USA had by far the most manuals (maybe more than autos 60%manuals to 40%auto) , as there the demand on manuals is high on this segment , especially on the M2 CS for many reasons.

MadBimmeRad · 11-27-2022, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimjamz

Agreed. I did 50k on my F80 with a S55. Not a blip of an issue after almost 7 years. The M2 CS has the standard S55 engine from the F8x comp so nothing special on that front. That's a small thing but something that sets it apart from the other CS models in the M range.

I'd be far more worried about a car with 5k miles that had been beaten up on a track than a 33k car with only everyday driving miles on its counter.

That said Jimjamz, you did 50k km in 7 years; this car did it in 2

MadBimmeRad · 11-27-2022, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

Manual M2CS are by far rarer in EU than automatics- i would guess 15% manuals to 85% autos. USA had by far the most manuals (maybe more than autos 60%manuals to 40%auto) , as there the demand on manuals is high on this segment , especially on the M2 CS for many reasons.

In Australia, we received 84+2 cars - 43 of them, I believe, were 6MT

F87EVO · 11-27-2022, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

Manual M2CS are by far rarer in EU than automatics- i would guess 15% manuals to 85% autos. USA had by far the most manuals (maybe more than autos 60%manuals to 40%auto) , as there the demand on manuals is high on this segment , especially on the M2 CS for many reasons.

In Australia, we received 84+2 cars - 43 of them, I believe, were 6MT

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

Manual M2CS are by far rarer in EU than automatics- i would guess 15% manuals to 85% autos. USA had by far the most manuals (maybe more than autos 60%manuals to 40%auto) , as there the demand on manuals is high on this segment , especially on the M2 CS for many reasons.

In Australia, we received 84+2 cars - 43 of them, I believe, were 6MT

Wow , Aussies seem to like the manual ! Or is it just on cars like this one ?

MadBimmeRad · 11-27-2022, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

Wow , Aussies seem to like the manual ! Or is it just on cars like this one ?

It depends on the car I guess

I got the 6MT CS with CCB and know if I could get the CSL in 6MT, I would

It's so much fun, it makes you feel like a boy with his first bike

F87EVO · 11-27-2022, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

Wow , Aussies seem to like the manual ! Or is it just on cars like this one ?

It depends on the car I guess

I got the 6MT CS with CCB and know if I could get the CSL in 6MT, I would

It's so much fun, it makes you feel like a boy with his first bike

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

Wow , Aussies seem to like the manual ! Or is it just on cars like this one ?

It depends on the car I guess

I got the 6MT CS with CCB and know if I could get the CSL in 6MT, I would

It's so much fun, it makes you feel like a boy with his first bike

I agree ! We ve got the exact same car , RHD too

MadBimmeRad · 11-27-2022, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

I agree ! We ve got the exact same car , RHD too

That's bloody marvellous - kindred ///M spirits
We've just had the Adelaide Rally this weekend

Unanimously, the consensus was:

"BMW ///M Drivers Rule" - AMG drivers are damned useless

https://www.adelaiderally.com.au/

F87EVO · 11-27-2022, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

I agree ! We ve got the exact same car , RHD too

That's bloody marvellous - kindred ///M spirits
We've just had the Adelaide Rally this weekend

Unanimously, the consensus was:

"BMW ///M Drivers Rule" - AMG drivers are damned useless

https://www.adelaiderally.com.au/

Seems like a great event ! Adelaide looks beautiful !

MadBimmeRad · 11-27-2022, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

Seems like a great event ! Adelaide looks beautiful !

Thank you; and yes it is. The Rally is awesome - in fact, November and December form the Festival of Speed in Adelaide. Next week will be the V8 motor race (called Clipsal 500).

And yes, Adelaide is one of the most beautiful spots in the world - ranked fifth most liveable city in the world.

Look me up when you come to town 🎆🎇🎆

F87EVO · 11-28-2022, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Thank you; and yes it is. The Rally is awesome - in fact, November and December form the Festival of Speed in Adelaide. Next week will be the V8 motor race (called Clipsal 500).

And yes, Adelaide is one of the most beautiful spots in the world - ranked fifth most liveable city in the world.

Look me up when you come to town 🎆🎇🎆

I have checked your city online ,no wonder you live there , you ve great taste !

Australia is def a country ill visit in the next decade , Adelaide is now also in my plans !

MadBimmeRad · 11-28-2022, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

I have checked your city online ,no wonder you live there , you ve great taste !

Australia is def a country ill visit in the next decade , Adelaide is now also in my plans !

Thank you my friend

We're looking forward to showing you around when you arrive 🤗

Best time would be between November and March when all the fun stuff happens, for example, the Fringe Festival

https://www.adelaidefestival.com.au/...AaAsFxEALw_wcB

F87EVO · 11-28-2022, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Thank you my friend

We're looking forward to showing you around when you arrive ��

Best time would be between November and March when all the fun stuff happens, for example, the Fringe Festival

https://www.adelaidefestival.com.au/...AaAsFxEALw_wcB

Thanks for the hospitality ! the quality of that festival looks next lvl. What a place to live..

MadBimmeRad · 11-28-2022, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eCotY2020

Thanks for the hospitality ! the quality of that festival looks next lvl. What a place to live..

It will be our pleasure

You are absolutely right; we truly are blessed with one of the best lifestyles anyone could ever ask for

You could also try these

The Fringe Festival starts soon

https://adelaidefringe.com.au/

As a part of which, WOMAdelaide (World of Music in Adelaide) dazzles every year

https://www.womadelaide.com.au/lineup

Adelaide is called the City of Churches and Pubs

https://www.experienceadelaide.com.a...ides-churches/

South Australia is renowned for its wineries - we produce 62% of Australian wine some of which have won world class wines of the year (beating french and Californian counterparts)

https://www.australia.com/en/places/...e-regions.html

look up Blue Eyed Boy - the boy, now happens to be the international marketing director all those years later

https://mollydookerwines.com.au/shop...EaAtMeEALw_wcB

I'm sorry everyone, soooooo far off-topic I should be arrested, or at least employed as the tourism ambassador for South Australia 😜😉

We're looking forward to seeing you soon 🤗🤗

11-19-2022, 10:08 AM	#1
tjlazer New Member 125 Rep 24 Posts Drives: E30 325i, VW Cali Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Luxembourg iTrader: (0)	CS buying (Europe) Featured on BIMMERPOST.com Hello everyone, I’m planning to join the CS team and have a couple of options lined up. Value wise we are seeing decent prices here with official BMW dealer cars at around the 80k mark and independent dealers a little less. I have a car local to me that’s interesting as it has CCB, akrapovic and éventuri already installed plus a ton of BMW performance carbon extras and it’s from BMW who are offering a 4 year warranty. It’s on for 75k…the reason being it has 33k old fashioned miles (54km). I’ve taken a good look at it and everything is pretty tidy but clearly it was much used over 2 years including over winter as the chassis shows some accumulated grime and surface corrosion on some bolts etc. It’s hockenheim silver with black or gold wheels. On the other hand there are a couple of black cars on much lower miles (8k or less) for a few thousand more but lacking CCB and the extras, just pretty much the stock car (not that there were really any options). I’m leaning to lower miles as I imagine this will help the car hold value but I have had enough black cars to know they are a nightmare to keep clean. Unfortunately I don’t really gel with blue so that’s out for now. What’s the view on how things bear up to mileage? My research on CCB benefits remains inconclusive but obviously everyone loves gold bling Also any benefits for the manual seats? I should add the cars I’m looking at are all DCT as manual cars are super rare here and command a ridiculous premium (15k plus). I’ve tried the f80 comp and really didn’t think much of the manual with this engine anyway! Anyway cheers for this great forum and let me know your thoughts, in this game I can’t see that any option is a bad one!
	Appreciate 1 F87EVO4031.00 Tweet Quote

11-19-2022, 02:23 PM	#2
Jimjamz Colonel 4573 Rep 2,203 Posts Drives: G81 M3 Touring (Frozen Black) Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2023 BMW G81 M3 Tou ... [8.00]	Sound like a good deal on a good spec. Though I am biased Attached Images
	Appreciate 3 tjlazer124.50 F87EVO4031.00 MadBimmeRad7121.50 Quote

11-19-2022, 06:08 PM	#3
CC3586 Private First Class 454 Rep 129 Posts Drives: BMW F87 M2 CS Join Date: May 2020 Location: Glasgow UK iTrader: (0)	My one keep in original spec. Collector car no need mods 😂 Attached Images
	Appreciate 5 Jimjamz4572.50 tjlazer124.50 Hedoniste3834.00 F87EVO4031.00 MadBimmeRad7121.50 Quote

11-20-2022, 06:49 AM	#4
sdhotwn Mmmm... Bavarian 2129 Rep 1,690 Posts Drives: M2 CS, X5 45e, i3, Cayman S Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Wisconsin, USA iTrader: (0)	If you are looking to daily it and like the mods, the reliability is high enough that I wouldn't worry about the miles. Does the dealer have a service history for it? If you are worried about holding value then less mods and less miles and plan to drive it less yourself as well. __________________ M2 CS 2023 CB X5 45e 2018 i3 94 2014 Cayman S
	Appreciate 1 tjlazer124.50 Quote

11-20-2022, 10:00 AM	#5
tjlazer New Member 125 Rep 24 Posts Drives: E30 325i, VW Cali Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Luxembourg iTrader: (0)	Cheers all, I think changing the exhaust is something I would do anyway as I'm coming from a 6.3 c63 estate so obviously the drama is 'quite a bit' less with the s55 and the opf filters. I've found a low miles black/gold car with a milltek road legal setup that does away with the rear ballbags so I think that's the one for me…I'm a little nervous to go ceramics as I don't fancy paying 10% of the cars value for a new set of rotors and I live less than 90 minutes from Spa/Nurburgring so I plan to track it from time to time…
	Appreciate 2 Hedoniste3834.00 MadBimmeRad7121.50 Quote

11-20-2022, 09:02 PM	#6
aroundelway Private First Class 132 Rep 109 Posts Drives: M2 CS Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Manuals are not rare at all in the EU. I had my pick of them a year ago when I decided to not buy a second CS for Spain. Back then they were below MSRP. 33k miles is a lot of miles for the time period. Someone had fun.
	Appreciate 2 JohannSkyywalker42.00 tjlazer124.50 Quote

11-21-2022, 11:12 AM	#7
SilverM2_CS Private First Class 103 Rep 116 Posts Drives: M2 CS, 2011 135i Convertible Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Burlington, CT iTrader: (0)	I wouldn't worry about 33k miles on a 2 year old car. These things can handle a great deal and that would not put me off.
	Appreciate 2 Jimjamz4572.50 tjlazer124.50 Quote