[aajami]

Originally Posted by Demon23

That weight saving was done my means of simply trimming down to the max the existing chassis, the base frame was still identical to the normal M3, the difference in weight was done by lighter doors, seats, back seats were lighter, plastic rear window, various suspension components, and a lot of other small things that got the car to that point. 400 pounds in weight saving is huge.. and if it was possible then, i see no reason why i couldn't be done now.. especially with all the new materials that we have at our disposal.

It's a cost proposition, unfortunately. No way BMW wants to spend that much on R&D and new vendor specifications for components on a niche car.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by aajami

It's a cost proposition, unfortunately. No way BMW wants to spend that much on R&D and new vendor specifications for components on a niche car.

I think that's actually how they do R&D though. Much of the i8 technology, which is considered a niche car, eventually trickles down to the more mass produced vehicles when it becomes cost effective. If its cost effective for the M2 to use those parts based on expected production numbers, they would probably use it.

[mti]

After seeing that "How they do camo" video... I don't try spotting anything! Just let me see it already. lol.

[Demon23]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Stop quoting BS numbers. Even official BMW numbers put it at 240 pounds.

Plase see the attached photo of the official weight of the standard M3 as it was presented by BMW in their caltalog at that time. Notice that this weight is for the car with 90% filled tank, 68 kg driver, and 7 kg luggage.

Why is that ? Well.. let's just say that the weight of a car becomes an issue when that car is actually driven by... oooh.. i don't know.. the driver... and not when you have it on a scale standing still... ( it's just one of those silly conclusions you get to once you use your brain.. don't worry.. you're not in any danger there..), and that is why, the car manufacturer provides you with an estimate for the car weight with an averege driver at the wheel, so you can understand the mass of the car WHILE MOVING ( cause that's when you feel the weight.. not while staring at it in the driveway ).

Of course this is not set in stone as it can be increesed by the number of optional equipement you have on the car, wheel size, weight of the actual driver, etc...

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Demon23

Plase see the attached photo of the official weight of the standard M3 as it was presented by BMW in their caltalog at that time. Notice that this weight is for the car with 90% filled tank, 68 kg driver, and 7 kg luggage.

Why is that ? Well.. let's just say that the weight of a car becomes an issue when that car is actually driven by... oooh.. i don't know.. the driver... and not when you have it on a scale standing still... ( it's just one of those silly conclusions you get to once you use your brain.. don't worry.. you're not in any danger there..), and that is why, the car manufacturer provides you with an estimate for the car weight with an averege driver at the wheel, so you can understand the mass of the car WHILE MOVING ( cause that's when you feel the weight.. not while staring at it in the driveway ).

Of course this is not set in stone as it can be increesed by the number of optional equipement you have on the car, wheel size, weight of the actual driver, etc...

This whole thread has been real world numbers. Dragging out the EU weight with 90% fuel, a driver and luggage is of limited value. If you want to use EU weight for the F8x, then start being happy if a CSL is under 3,600 pounds and your 2,700 pipe dream is even more amusing. I'll leave this to actual M2 discussion now, a car that will likely not be under 3,500 pounds unladen.

[Demon23]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

This whole thread has been real world numbers. Dragging out the EU weight with 90% fuel, a driver and luggage is of limited value. If you want to use EU weight for the F8x, then start being happy if a CSL is under 3,600 pounds and your 2,700 pipe dream is even more amusing. I'll leave this to actual M2 discussion now, a car that will likely not be under 3,500 pounds unladen.

You realize that you just contradicted yourself in those 2 sentences right ? )))
In the real world, the car is fueled, and is being driven by a human being.. in most cases.. so... in the real world.. EU weight is the weight of the car.. ))

I will admit that the 2700 pounds wish was a bit to optimistic, and that was my mistake for not translating Kg into pounds correctly.. initially...

I think that a 1350 kg ( around 3000 pounds ) M2 lightweight can be done without a huge amount of R&D .. ( as a later, special version of the car )

[Red Bread]

The rear fenders of the M2 look great. Saving 700 pounds from an M235i remains laughable. That's using laden weight for you.

I'm of the school of thought that cars weigh something. A real weight with fluids is useful. Arbitrary driver and luggage weight is not overly useful. When does it stop? Should sedans have weights listed with four passengers and pickups have a bed full of bricks? A car on a scale tells a story that's easily comparable to other cars. I'm cool talking Kg, but would prefer to talk about car weight, not car plus average size human and some of their household items.

[Suave]

Mirrors need a bit more work as they are a focal point on all sides of the car. They are boring looking for an M Car. Perhaps I have been spoiled with the look of the F80 mirrors which I love.

[davesaddiction]

Originally Posted by W///

I'm telling you guys, this car is love at first sight for me. I haven't been this excited about a BMW since the E9x M3 mules were running around in 06.

Are you still planning on Euro Delivery?

[W///]

Originally Posted by davesaddiction

Are you still planning on Euro Delivery?

Probably not. Work is going to be super busy, plus I've already done all the European Delivery things (Nurburgring, Stelvio Pass, car museums ect ect...).

Having said that, I'm already planning a 6000+ mile road trip from South Carolina -> Texas -> California -> Colorado -> Kansas and then back home. Yet another reason I need to the M2

Any interest on the new M's on your side? How's the E90 treating you?

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by Suave

Mirrors need a bit more work as they are a focal point on all sides of the car. They are boring looking for an M Car. Perhaps I have been spoiled with the look of the F80 mirrors which I love.

It will get proper M mirrors just like your F80s. Same thing was for the 1M, it doesn't get the mirrors till the very end.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Alpine*

245/265 is and was the 1M size, on M3 rims, ie M3 wheels and tyres.

I am really hoping they replicate that on the 2 with the M3/4 wheel AND tyre combos. Else why go to the trouble of adding these flares and not filling them to the max ��

Originally Posted by W///

They never fill them to the max from factory anyway. You can (and should IMO) fit bigger tires on the M3/4

note that the 1M can fit WIDER tires than both the E9x in FRONT and REAR ... not sure about F8x but very possible

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Not really, aside from a few four cylinder ones. My M Coupe was 3,131 pounds and last I checked, it would pretty well fit in the trunk of an F8x.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Suave

Mirrors need a bit more work as they are a focal point on all sides of the car. They are boring looking for an M Car. Perhaps I have been spoiled with the look of the F80 mirrors which I love.

Wait til it actually goes on sale please? LOL

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

It's been pointed out here:

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1087272

Anyone else agree with this thought?

Sure glad those little square reflectors are temporary because I keep seeing that Honda Accord coupe sport?

They made the Accord look so aggressive for a slow fwd coupe.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

note that the 1M can fit WIDER tires than both the E9x and F8x in FRONT and REAR.

305 slicks square? or was it 315 square? Some run that on e92m. I guess you can fit anything if you wanted to.

I need to get rid of kw helper spring so I can run 295 square! Didn't know 1m can fit that as well.

[*mt*]

Originally Posted by BMWPWR

Is this another M2 uncovered in the background?

no, its my M135ix

[Demon23]

Originally Posted by mt-330

no, its my M135ix

WOW !!! Really lovin' that colour... great choice ! Carbon schwarz metallic is it ?

[*mt*]

Originally Posted by Demon23

WOW !!! Really lovin' that colour... great choice ! Carbon schwarz metallic is it ?

it's mineral grey

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

305 slicks square? or was it 315 square? Some run that on e92m. I guess you can fit anything if you wanted to.

I need to get rid of kw helper spring so I can run 295 square! Didn't know 1m can fit that as well.

my comments were on stock vs stock... however.. yes.. one can do *lots* if one starts rolling fenders and clearancing and /or or using aftermarket suspension etc


The 1M easily fits 285/30/18 on 10" wheel in front and 315/30/18 rear R tires on a 10.5 in the rear with no fender rolling.... I run 285/30 x 4 for better wear.

I haven't tried it yet but a 335 on an 10.5" or 11" wheel will go in the back for sure.. there is tons of room .

Using the stock wheels.. a 275/19 can fit up front and a 315/19 in the rear.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

my comments were on stock vs stock... however.. yes.. one can do *lots* if one starts rolling fenders and clearancing and /or or using aftermarket suspension etc


The 1M easily fits 285/30/18 on 10" wheel in front and 315/30/18 rear R tires on a 10.5 in the rear with no fender rolling.... I run 285/30 x 4 for better wear.

I haven't tried it yet but a 335 on an 10.5" or 11" wheel will go in the back for sure.. there is tons of room .

Using the stock wheels.. a 275/19 can fit up front and a 315/19 in the rear.

Nice. 1M with 500HORSEPOWERSSS and 295 square sounds nice.

I'll have to settle with M3 a weak 420hp and 275-295 square.

I love square setups.

[superherorockstar]

Wow that things gorgeous even with the camo!!!