[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Demon23

This might just be the best looking / best handling M car on offer... and to top it off.. the least expensive one at that ... here's hoping that the handling will mesure up to the looks... if only they would do a CSL version of it = HEAVEN !!!

Uh, you do know that apparently there is a hardcore version coming and it will possibly look like the less extreme version of the GT6 Vision.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Mdecisive

Att: BMW

Things we want in the m2
1) CCB
2) Carbon fibre roof
3) BMW performance seats (unique to the m2)
4) power dome hood in memory of Jeremy Clarkson (POWAAAAA)
5) M4 side mirrors
6) give the car a soul

There's a good chance you'll only get #5 and 6, so you might want to look elsewhere

[AUSf22]

dammn the M2 is going to look sick! I can tell it's going to be quite expensive down here in Australia.. at least 100-130k

[Demon23]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Uh, you do know that apparently there is a hardcore version coming and it will possibly look like the less extreme version of the GT6 Vision.

I do hope that that's true... just imagine a new version of the 2004 M3 CSL, with a new powerful turbo engine, well balanced chassis, and a 2700-ish pounds weight... HELL YEAH !!!

[kevinlevrone]

So what's the latest rumor on the engine ? Will it be single-turbo or twin-turbo ? It would be disappointing to be based on N55 when the B58 is now the new engine platform. I would hope for a B58 derivative modified for twin-turbo, like the Alpina did for their B3.

[Franz]

That looks like an LCI 1-series w/ M sport pack

[swagon]

Originally Posted by kevinlevrone

So what's the latest rumor on the engine ? Will it be single-turbo or twin-turbo ? It would be disappointing to be based on N55 when the B58 is now the new engine platform. I would hope for a B58 derivative modified for twin-turbo, like the Alpina did for their B3.

So you're saying you want the B58 because it's new. But new doesn't mean necessarily better - we know basically nothing about the B58 yet. Also, N55 is now, like, 5 years old and therefore should not have any problems brand new engines tend to have (S55) and be more reliable in the long haul.

Originally Posted by BMWPWR

Is this another M2 uncovered in the background?

No, pretty sure it's the LCI 1er.

[eau_rouge]

I'm so excited...and I just can't hide it..

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Demon23

I do hope that that's true... just imagine a new version of the 2004 M3 CSL, with a new powerful turbo engine, well balanced chassis, and a 2700-ish pounds weight... HELL YEAH !!!

How high are you? Aside from the i3, BMW hasn't built anything under 3,000 pounds since the E36 318ti. 3,300 pounds would be pie in the sky, 2,700 is getting all Timothy Leary.

[W///]

Originally Posted by swagon

So you're saying you want the B58 because it's new. But new doesn't mean necessarily better - we know basically nothing about the B58 yet. Also, N55 is now, like, 5 years old and therefore should not have any problems brand new engines tend to have (S55) and be more reliable in the long haul.



No, pretty sure it's the LCI 1er.

Just reading the specs, I just don't see a huge huge huge difference between the N55 and B58.

I also agree that I'd rather get a true and tested engine in the M2 personally.

Originally Posted by Red Bread

How high are you? Aside from the i3, BMW hasn't built anything under 3,000 pounds since the E36 318ti. 3,300 pounds would be pie in the sky, 2,700 is getting all Timothy Leary.

I started writing a reply but decided not to haha. I find it hilarious when people come up with the most outrageous number they could think of.

[jzmundy]

Originally Posted by BMWPWR

Is this another M2 uncovered in the background?

Hmm...I don't believe so. The headlight doesn't look quite right.

Edit: Oops...was beaten to the point.

[BGR]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

How high are you? Aside from the i3, BMW hasn't built anything under 3,000 pounds since the E36 318ti. 3,300 pounds would be pie in the sky, 2,700 is getting all Timothy Leary.

Except most Z3s and some Z4s were under or right at 3,000 lbs...

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by BGR

Except most Z3s and Z4s were under 3,000 lbs...

Not really, aside from a few four cylinder ones. My M Coupe was 3,131 pounds and last I checked, it would pretty well fit in the trunk of an F8x.

[Demon23]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

How high are you? Aside from the i3, BMW hasn't built anything under 3,000 pounds since the E36 318ti. 3,300 pounds would be pie in the sky, 2,700 is getting all Timothy Leary.

Kind sir your are right.. my mistake.. the 2004 M3 CSL had a weight of 3050 pouds... so you may be right there.. all tough the priciple stands... if back then they could have built a car that powerful and that light.. i see no reason whey the cannot do that now... using the new carbon fiber structure that they are so eager to advertise... ( and no.. i am not high ... but thanks for your concern )

[Red Bread]

But that's "only" 200 pounds lighter than the E46 M3. So why would a modern CSL be 700-800 pounds lighter than the F8x? Hope for 3,200, expect more.

Bear in mind that the US Alfa 4C is almost 2,500 pounds and it's all carbon.

BMW could probably make an E89 Z4 that light with lots of carbon, but it's a significantly smaller and less powerful car than the M3/4.

[kevinlevrone]

Originally Posted by swagon

So you're saying you want the B58 because it's new.

No, I would like the B58 because it is a closed deck design. This means better tunability.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Demon23

Kind sir your are right.. my mistake.. the 2004 M3 CSL had a weight of 3050 pouds... so you may be right there.. all tough the priciple stands... if back then they could have built a car that powerful and that light.. i see no reason whey the cannot do that now... using the new carbon fiber structure that they are so eager to advertise... ( and no.. i am not high ... but thanks for your concern )

You'd have to redesign the whole damn car, that's why. You're not going to see that on a lower production model like an M2, yet alone a CSL (assuming it even exists).

It's really got nothing to do with what CF technology they have currently.

[Demon23]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

But that's "only" 200 pounds lighter than the E46 M3. So why would a modern CSL be 700-800 pounds lighter than the F8x? Hope for 3,200, expect more.

Bear in mind that the US Alfa 4C is almost 2,500 pounds and it's all carbon.

BMW could probably make an E89 Z4 that light with lots of carbon, but it's a significantly smaller and less powerful car than the M3/4.

"Are you high?" - curb weight for the standard M3 coupe in 2004 was of 1570 kg - and to translate that into pounds would add up to 3475 pounds - minus 3050 pounds that the M3 CSL had - that would make it a difference of 425 pounds.. not the 200 in your math... i would refrain from comment if i were you.. cause you clearly don't know what you are talking about...

[Demon23]

Originally Posted by W///

You'd have to redesign the whole damn car, that's why. You're not going to see that on a lower production model like an M2, yet alone a CSL (assuming it even exists).

It's really got nothing to do with what CF technology they have currently.

That weight saving was done my means of simply trimming down to the max the existing chassis, the base frame was still identical to the normal M3, the difference in weight was done by lighter doors, seats, back seats were lighter, plastic rear window, various suspension components, and a lot of other small things that got the car to that point. 400 pounds in weight saving is huge.. and if it was possible then, i see no reason why i couldn't be done now.. especially with all the new materials that we have at our disposal.

But you are correct in one aspect, i don't think that at the price point that the M2 will have, they would be interested in developing a more expensive, lighter version of it, no matter how much interest it might generate.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Demon23

"Are you high?" - curb weight for the standard M3 coupe in 2004 was of 1570 kg - and to translate that into pounds would add up to 3475 pounds - minus 3050 pounds that the M3 CSL had - that would make it a difference of 425 pounds.. not the 200 in your math... i would refrain from comment if i were you.. cause you clearly don't know what you are talking about...

This is where being an internet jockey fails you. Did you own and weigh an E46 M3 without a driver? Get back to me when you look up actual scaled weight of a manual E46 M3 with manual seats, no sunroof, no driver and at least half a tank of gas. I suspect you will find an answer between 3,185 and 3,240.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Demon23

That weight saving was done my means of simply trimming down to the max the existing chassis, the base frame was still identical to the normal M3, the difference in weight was done by lighter doors, seats, back seats were lighter, plastic rear window, various suspension components, and a lot of other small things that got the car to that point. 400 pounds in weight saving is huge.. and if it was possible then, i see no reason why i couldn't be done now.. especially with all the new materials that we have at our disposal.

Stop quoting BS numbers. Even official BMW numbers put it at 240 pounds.

[aajami]

Sooooo bubbly!