[flybigjet]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

The Canadian price starts at $97,750.

Well, yes, but.....
Base: $101,285 (I used Alberta as the area)
Includes:
MSRP
$97,750.00
Freight & PDI
$2,795.00
Retailer Administration Fee
$595.00
Air Condtioning Tax
$100.00
Tire Tax
$16.00
Motor Vehicle Industry Council Fee
$6.25
Security Registration Fee
$22.76

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by JohannSkyywalker

I‘m from germany.
Today i have heard that in germany we will only get 250.
And the german configurator for the M2cs at BMW.de is offline since yesterday.

I know about several Germans with an M2C who had received a call from BMW asking whether they were interested in getting an M2 CS. Those I know about all declined. No rush to BMW dealerships, no waiting lists, discounts.

So we don't know whether '250' is the initial figure or whether it's the latest 'market adjustment' figure. Well, if accurate, then that's good news for our American friends.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Conissah

They very well could make more 2200, but the demand would have to be exceptionally high.

Actually, although the '2200' figure was trumpeted in plenty of M2 CS release reviews during the November release (feel free to Google "BMW M2 CS 2200"), AFAIK that production figure does not feature in official public M2 CS press materials.

So, in principle, BMW could peddle back about the production quantity and sell more than 2200 (demand seems higher in the US, than in Europe).

[medphysdave]

I don't think they will make more than 2200 because I think it's a struggle to get rid of the current 2200. They may produce less. I'm getting one because I want one, but I completely agree/understand/respect everyone that is happy with the C.

[Pol]

From baby bmw.net :

[medphysdave]

Well, maybe I am wrong about the inability to sell more than 2200

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

My suspicion is that a lot more than 350 to 400 are going to be dumped into the US market. I'm thinking 800.

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Well, maybe I am wrong about the inability to sell more than 2200

If BMW finally allocates lots of M2 CS cars to the US market, it will manage to get all 2200 cars moved (faster). Over here in Europe, "Limited Edition" marketing impresses less when quoting a '2200' figure and affixing a close-to-50% mark-up car bow.

[Madmat]

75 units for Spain.
It's "just" 103k EUROS... around 113K US dollars.. we just live once, give me two

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I don't think they will make more than 2200 because I think it's a struggle to get rid of the current 2200. They may produce less. I'm getting one because I want one, but I completely agree/understand/respect everyone that is happy with the C.

Dave

I respect that . . . "I'm getting one because I want one." Enough said. Nobody can argue with that. Period.

You will love it, I am sure.

///AVM

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by kepler

À la the M4 GTS.

The M4 GTS was a different story. BMW branded it as a "limited edition" and mentioned '700' cars in press materials.

Several M4 GTS buyers weren't quite amused when they found out that BMW had actually produced 803 cars, failing to keep its '700' promise (see here).

And subsequently, BMW released the M4 DTM Champion Edition. "Limited edition" of 200 cars (see here). "The M4 DTM Champion Edition is basically the second coming of the M4 GTS, which wowed the automotive world last year with its awesome water injection technology. As you'd expect this car is rarer than the one it's based on, with just 200 units set for production; the M4 GTS had a production run of 700 cars. Another thing that sets the M4 DTM Champion Edition apart from the M4 GTS is its price: €148,550 ($163,376). The M4 GTS was sold for $134,200, with the markup for the new car likely owing to its collectible status. That's the only conclusion we could come to as the two M4s are basically the same." (here).

BMW did not award a "Limited Edition" status to the M3 CS and M4 CS. No production figure in press materials. Same goes for the M2 CS. Actually, ain't it a little awkward to market a 4-digit production number as 'limited edition' for a car ?

From the M4 GTS brochure (see here): "700" became 803.

[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by Artemis

BMW did not award a "Limited Edition" status to the M3 CS and M4 CS. No production figure in press materials. Same goes for the M2 CS. Actually, ain't it a little awkward to market a 4-digit production number as 'limited edition' for a car ?

I can see your point, but for a large manufacturer 2,200 units worldwide is quite limited. With about 4,500 stores worldwide and 2.2M cars sold in 2019 the projected volume is quite small. In the US, even if we get 1,000 cars that still only means that each store will get 0-4 cars; feels pretty limited to me.

Yours and my 1M are 1 out of 6,309 produced. That also feels pretty limited at 3x the proposed volume of the M2CS.
$0.02

[///AVM]

Sorry . . . but do people really buy a BMW 2-series because they think its a 'limited edition?!'

I really do not give two hoots if someone - such as Dave - simply state they 'want one.' Kudos! Go for it! I am all for it! Enjoy it! Drive the piss out of it!

But this limited edition mentality - as though it is some form an auto investment - is just ridiculous.

BMW should just price the M2CS out at $70K and sell 22,000 of them . . .

///AVM

[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Sorry . . . but do people really buy a BMW 2-series because they think its a 'limited edition?!'

I really do not give two hoots if someone - such as Dave - simply state they 'want one.' Kudos! Go for it! I am all for it! Enjoy it! Drive the piss out of it!

But this limited edition mentality - as though it is some form an auto investment - is just ridiculous.

BMW should just price the M2CS out at $70K and sell 22,000 of them . . .

///AVM

I'm not buying because it's 'limited', I'm buying because it's the best iteration of the F87 M2, and because it can still be had with a manual transmission!

My point is that for a large manufacturer 2,200 units can be called 'limited'. We aren't talking about a boutique niche manufacturer that makes 10,000 cars total for the year. Simply, 'limited' is relative to total volume.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by GimmeanM

I'm not buying because it's 'limited', I'm buying because it's the best iteration of the F87 M2, and because it can still be had with a manual transmission!

My point is that for a large manufacturer 2,200 units can be called 'limited'. We aren't talking about a boutique niche manufacturer that makes 10,000 cars total for the year. Simply, 'limited' is relative to total volume.

Sorry Gimmean, I was not directing my comments at you . . . I was directing them at BMW and this entire b.s. 'limited edition' sales campaign.

YOU might not buy it because BMW puts a 'limited edition' tag on it, but they are banking on it. Otherwise why would - as you indicate - a mass producer of automobiles limit anything when the entire basis of existence is to make as much money as possible by selling as many as possible?

Price the damn thing correctly and sell as many as possible. I am sorry to you and Dave, and do not want you take it personally, but there is nothing special about the M2CS to warrant the ever-growing price-tag under the BMW premise of being 'limited edition.' The M2C IS special.

To state again, if you want one because you want one, that is awesome. No argument whatsoever on my end. I do not care how much you pay for it. Enjoy the heck out of it!

///AVM

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by GimmeanM

I'm not buying because it's 'limited', I'm buying because it's the best iteration of the F87 M2, and because it can still be had with a manual transmission!

My point is that for a large manufacturer 2,200 units can be called 'limited'. We aren't talking about a boutique niche manufacturer that makes 10,000 cars total for the year. Simply, 'limited' is relative to total volume.

I'm with you, I'm interested in the M2 CS because it is the best version of the F87 M2. You are right, 2200 is quite limited worldwide. In the US, 500 is quite limited since that is less than 2 per dealer (roughly 340 BMW dealers in US).

Again I'm interested because the CS is the best version of the M2. The limited edition is an additional carrot with the "hope" the car doesn't depreciate as much. Need the car to be worth as much as possible for trade-in-value for the next car.

[medphysdave]

I'm just selfish at this point. If I'm going to over pay for a car id rather have the only one in town so I don't want 1000 to hit the US. If they would drop the price, then hey, sell them to anyone that will buy one.

BMW....Let me place my order already, this is getting ridiculous. What are we really waiting for? Start taking orders on the bare minimum volume to the US, and take more orders as you dump more into the market.

[Conissah]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I'm just selfish at this point. If I'm going to over pay for a car id rather have the only one in town so I don't want 1000 to hit the US. If they would drop the price, then hey, sell them to anyone that will buy one

Wouldn't it suck if you showed up to the C&C, and there was another one there...?

Happened to my rich friend. Got the first McLaren 600LT in NC, took it to C&C, and there was a white one there already. He literally sold it that next week. Whether that was his reason for selling, I don't know, but it was a funny coincidence.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Conissah

Wouldn't it suck if you showed up to the C&C, and there was another one there...?

Happened to my rich friend. Got the first McLaren 600LT in NC, took it to C&C, and there was a white one there already. He literally sold it that next week. Whether that was his reason for selling, I don't know, but it was a funny coincidence.

Haha, id just shake my head and say you win some, you lose some. Ok, maybe there is room for two in town. Lol

I've also recognized that an exclusive 2 series is not a very tall pedestal in the grand scheme.

[tranck]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I'm just selfish at this point. If I'm going to over pay for a car id rather have the only one in town so I don't want 1000 to hit the US. If they would drop the price, then hey, sell them to anyone that will buy one.

BMW....Let me place my order already, this is getting ridiculous. What are we really waiting for? Start taking orders on the bare minimum volume to the US, and take more orders as you dump more into the market.

I have a 3 state territory and had my eye on an M2 since it came out in late 2015 I guess it was. I can honestly say that I've not seen more than five M2's in all of my driving since it came out.

2016 to now - probably 50K miles per year and have seen 5.
Point being - the M2 at least imho is a very,very rare car.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by tranck

I have a 3 state territory and had my eye on an M2 since it came out in late 2015 I guess it was. I can honestly say that I've not seen more than five M2's in all of my driving since it came out.

2016 to now - probably 50K miles per year and have seen 5.
Point being - the M2 at least imho is a very,very rare car.

I rarely see one on the road either, especially here in Grenville now (a lot more common back in north Raleigh though). Last weekend we had a CCA autox at the PC and there were 5 M2Cs and 1 M2 there though! We had every color of M2C represented too (two of us were LBB).

[///AVM]

BMW throws the 'limited edition' tag on something as to suggest it is 'special' . . . and, thus, garners a special price-tag. Pretty much this entire thread is about enthusiasts telling BMW they are wrong.

Consumers dictate what is 'special,' not the manufacturer. In fact, it seems manufacturers are all but clueless regarding what will be ultimately considered 'special' by consumers.

Consumers have overwhelmingly decided the M2C is special.

Dave, again, none of this is directed at you or Gimmean or Hegge. I support you and your enthusiasm. I am not going to sit here and say the M2CS is not going to be great, or that you will be anything other than thrilled with your purchase.

I do, however, disagree that the M2CS will be the best version of the F87 M2 on the road. . . as long as the M2C is out on the road.

///AVM

[Mastertec]

I don’t understand all the negativity towards the M2CS.i am also buying one because I want one and that’s it. I don’t care about exclusivity. Also I don’t think you could build one for the price they are selling it at.