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      10-01-2019, 09:18 AM   #375
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Fire Orange is the bomb

They should have brought it back for the M2C/CS platform
Fire orange is lovely. BMW has become very confused when it comes to red and orange. In the last decade, they seem dead-set on offering "in-betweeners" like Valencia, Sunset and Sakhir. A true orange (like Fire) and a true red (like Imola) would be quite refreshing.
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Adjustable suspension makes a big difference to folks unlucky enough to have to drive on bad roads (like me). You'd have to shell out $5k on a KW DDC or $6-7k on the Tractive option to get cockpit adjustable suspension in an M2C otherwise.

I've driven the M3CS back to back with my car (with CS engine tune, CS damper/steering/diff/etc settings), and the total was greater than the sum of the parts. These special editions by BMW sometimes feel that way (my 2003 ZHP was the same way).

Now it all depends on price. My friend got his M3 CS at $84k, not a bad discount...
It seems you mistake DDC for something else. DDC works in conjunction with factory electronics. If the damper comes static in the first place, DDC will not work. With adaptive damper alone, the M2 CS will be distinguished.

A good point you made is the total being greater than the sum of parts. BMW chassis tune always captures a good balance between drivability and performance, which aftermarket can't touch. That is especially true with the F87, where the lesser models with static damper can't steal top dog chassis coding like with the F80/82.
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I'm hope that they do a better job programming the adaptive suspension on M2 CS than they did with the M235. In many situations it just got it wrong.
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I'm hope that they do a better job programming the adaptive suspension on M2 CS than they did with the M235. In many situations it just got it wrong.
It seems the Adaptive Suspension in the CS is specifically tuned to work with the overall dynamics of the vehicle and every related component (DSC, MDM, EPS, eDiff, ect).

It would make a discernible difference in handling.
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I'm hope that they do a better job programming the adaptive suspension on M2 CS than they did with the M235. In many situations it just got it wrong.
Interesting info here:

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=15379285

And I believe that the adaptive suspension in the M cars is much different than that on regular series models, hardware too, not just programming.
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That all sounds great, but do you think the tweaks to the engine and very long in development new MPE can make this M2 sounds as deep and mean at low revs and through the rev range as the original M2 with MPE?
Not heard the M2 CS engine in real life yet. There is the recent video of the M2 CS lapping the Hockenheimring, where you get a rough idea of the sound that can be heard inside the car (see here). The article said that the car sounds "mild" on the outside, but exciting on the inside.
As regards Europe: European regulations tightened CO2 emissions and noise levels for all new cars in Europe. Car manufacturers are required to observe those regulations if they want their new cars to be homologated.
  • CO2 emissions: see for example here ("Reducing CO2 emissions from passenger cars") and here ("The OPF - Pandora's Box For Many Petrolheads");
  • noise levels: see for example here ("European Noise Regulations Are Forcing Sports Car Makers to Resort to More Fake Engine Sounds").
Sound inside…, with ASD (Active Sound Design) I suppose.
Looking forward to check out "the sound of ///My people".





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Yes I'm interested in a Porsche 911 comparison too. Such as why would you consider the CS over a 992 Carrera S.
If I were in the market for a 992, I'd surely look very hard at the CS.

That said, I am considering trading my beloved M2C for either the 718 Spyder or CS. Pricing of the CS will help make my decision.
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all of these sound clips did not have an appealing sound. I hope the m2 cs sounds alot better
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all of these sound clips did not have an appealing sound. I hope the m2 cs sounds alot better
I heard Snapper, Gravely, and IH in those 3 clips.
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all of these sound clips did not have an appealing sound. I hope the m2 cs sounds alot better
I heard Snapper, Gravely, and IH in those 3 clips.
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I heard Snapper, Gravely, and IH in those 3 clips.
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Why can't they make that engine sound good. Basically the only one. Everything else sounds great
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M2 CS details from the private preview event held in Belgium yesterday:
  • 450 hp
  • Manual gear box, DKG optional
  • Adaptive suspension
  • Red caliper sport brakes, carbon ceramic optional
  • 763 M wheel gold or black, regular or sport cup tires,no change in tire size
  • Carbon fiber parts: hood, roof, outside mirrors, trunk lip, front spoiler lip, rear diffuser, central console, door handle
  • Chrome m2 cs badge on the trunk
  • Alcantara on side of the seats and doors like on the M2C, additional alcantara on top of the central console and on the dash board (ipo of the regular or carbon trim). CS embroied on the alcantara dashboard trim
  • Alcantara steering wheel optional
  • M4 Competition seats with red stitching and I believe Merino leather (for sure not Dakota). Dashboard and top door panel remain same than on the M2C and therefore imo do not blend well with the finer grain leather
  • M Performance exhaust
  • Back seats cannot be folded anymore
  • 4 paints only : Alpine White,Misano Blue,Hockenheim Silver and Saphire Black
  • Apparently no claim by BMW of any weight saving
    • Update: Regarding the weight I asked twice. First time I was told that BMW does not claim any saving for this car (vs the M2C). I asked again to another BMW person later and after checking his laptop he said weights look identical. I stealthily saw the screen and could read in 2 columns 1575 kg. If this a EU weight it would correspond to 1500 kg (a figure mentionned to another forum member) DIN, representing a 50 kg saving vs the M2C manual. If 1575 kg is a DIN weight it could be a figure for the DCT version but in that case would just be identical to the M2C with DCT. From what we know about the car I hardly see how they could have gained 50 kgs. I suspect that if there is any gain it is relatively modest and therefore not worth to advertise.
  • Climate control unit seems a little bit different than on my late 2018 M2C
  • Start of Production : 3/2020
  • End of Production : 12/2020 i.e 9 months production only
  • 2200 cars worldwide, 100 for Benelux
  • No word of a possible CSL version after (believe they were clueless more than trying to hide anything)

Was definively not convinced by the combo blue paint /gold wheel/red caliper. Others combo should work better. Also think the large mesh of the carbon roof does not look that nice. The dome of hood is not very noticeable although there is first a side recessed part than an elevation (may be this was due to the light of the room or the paint)

Should definitely be a great car but the base price is high (95 K Euro in Belgium) considering that it is mainly M performance and M4 competition bit and pieces added. Does not really feel unique.

M8 competition in frozen blue was also on display in the adjacent show room. Looks great but it is a big car !

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The info above confirms the info in this earlier leaked M2 CS bulletin (original post: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1614985)

[img]https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...8;d=1558367020[/img]
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Not really impressed to be honest. They just slapped on a bunch of carbon bits and gave it a tune. Still same car with just a tune. No mention in weigh savings? Probably because there is hardly none. Little bit disappointed..
Not true. Much more goes into a factory CS than "slapping on some carbon and giving it a tune". Anyone that claims that about any number CS is only trying to convince themselves the car is not worth the cost (IMO). There are significant difference's between a comp and a CS. BMW engineers and pro drivers spent lot of time developing the M2 CS. That alone along with CS specific CFRP aero parts, wheels, interior and labor to install them costs BMW $$$$. Sooo...if you want a true CS your going to have to pony up. And it will be worth every penny when you drive it and stare at it in your garage with a beer in your hand .
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Looking forward to reviews comparing CS to competition.
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If you'd have bought a M4 CS for £90k 12 months ago, you'd need a beer or something stronger to handle the £35k hit you'd taken while staring at it in the garage.

The M2 CS is likely to be a fantastic car but for me at £75k, I feel it's overpriced by £10-15k. I'd rather wait and pick one up further down the line when the hype has died off.

When are journalists likely to get their hands on it?

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Not true. Much more goes into a factory CS than "slapping on some carbon and giving it a tune". Anyone that claims that about any number CS is only trying to convince themselves the car is not worth the cost (IMO). There are significant difference's between a comp and a CS. BMW engineers and pro drivers spent lot of time developing the M2 CS. That alone along with CS specific CFRP aero parts, wheels, interior and labor to install them costs BMW $$$$. Sooo...if you want a true CS your going to have to pony up. And it will be worth every penny when you drive it and stare at it in your garage with a beer in your hand .
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I heard Snapper, Gravely, and IH in those 3 clips.
Is that code for Hoover, Dyson and Oreck?
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If you'd have bought a M4 CS for £90k 12 months ago, you'd need a beer or something stronger to handle the £35k hit you'd taken while staring at it in the garage.

The M2 CS is likely to be a fantastic car but for me at £75k, I feel it's overpriced by £10-15k. I'd rather wait and pick one up further down the line when the hype has died off.

When are journalists likely to get their hands on it?

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Not true. Much more goes into a factory CS than "slapping on some carbon and giving it a tune". Anyone that claims that about any number CS is only trying to convince themselves the car is not worth the cost (IMO). There are significant difference's between a comp and a CS. BMW engineers and pro drivers spent lot of time developing the M2 CS. That alone along with CS specific CFRP aero parts, wheels, interior and labor to install them costs BMW $$$$. Sooo...if you want a true CS your going to have to pony up. And it will be worth every penny when you drive it and stare at it in your garage with a beer in your hand .
I guess if you paid MSRP you might need something stronger than a beer when pricing fell . Most did not though. I paid 14k over a comp and think I got my moneys worth even tho people got them for less later in the run. Ponder that many pay an extra 5k just for an "individual" color to stare at in the garage.
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If you'd have bought a M4 CS for £90k 12 months ago, you'd need a beer or something stronger to handle the £35k hit you'd taken while staring at it in the garage.
My thoughts EXACTLY. Spot on. Let's all be honest, the CS relaunch hasn't got off to a great commercial start for BMW.

Still now there are M4CSs in sewers for £60kish.

Truely brave or die hard fans that pre orders an M2CS for RRP £75k UK if that's what it will cost.
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Posted some non-pro shots/video from the LA Auto Show here: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...postcount=1346
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