[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by doug_999

My OG M2 (N55) felt fast at all speeds and RPMs. Was hard if not impossible to catch off guard. My M3 (S55) is much more sluggish down low and needs to build the power (and once it gets there, hold on).

I really miss the N55. I don't and or can't drive at crazy speeds in Chicago. It is much more stop and go and the N55 is superior there.

So my fiance bought a CPO OG M2 LCI (wow, look at all those acronyms) this past weekend, and I have been spending a lot of time driving them back to back (the M2 and my M3).

The physical force required to depress the M2's throttle pedal is much lower than what is required in the M3. I am wondering if that has anything to do with how "different" they feel, with the N55 feeling faster/quicker.

If I push them both with equal, progressive force, I can see how the M2 might feel faster, at least until 5K or so in the RPM band. Then you need to shift it. Not so with the S55 - it wants to rev, which has been a traditional element associated with the NA M engines of old. Of course it doesn't feel NA, but the characteristics are certainly closer to that old feeling, just from a revving perspective.

On the other hand, if I push the pedals hard, the S55 definitely feels like it is a much more powerful engine. Not good or bad for either engine, just my observations.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

So my fiance bought a CPO OG M2 LCI (wow, look at all those acronyms) this past weekend, and I have been spending a lot of time driving them back to back (the M2 and my M3).

The physical force required to depress the M2's throttle pedal is much lower than what is required in the M3. I am wondering if that has anything to do with how "different" they feel, with the N55 feeling faster/quicker.

If I push them both with equal, progressive force, I can see how the M2 might feel faster, at least until 5K or so in the RPM band. Then you need to shift it. Not so with the S55 - it wants to rev, which has been a traditional element associated with the NA M engines of old. Of course it doesn't feel NA, but the characteristics are certainly closer to that old feeling, just from a revving perspective.

On the other hand, if I push the pedals hard, the S55 definitely feels like it is a much more powerful engine. Not good or bad for either engine, just my observations.

You have to look at what mode you are driving the LCI vs the S55

Put both into sport+ and then see the difference

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

You have to look at what mode you are driving the LCI vs the S55

Put both into sport+ and then see the difference

Sure, Sport + on both. Still not really comparable in my opinion...

Again, the M2's pedal moves easier, which I think plays a factor.

[krizze]

The way i see it after owning an OG for 2 years, i too never really lusted after the M2C as much as i did after the M2 after i first saw the first released photos, i've driven both and i really like both, both cars are different in certain ways and both cars have they're + and -'s but in my own head i couldn't ever justify selling my car to get the M2C? thats nothing personal against the car i just sort of said to myself '' i could trade the M2 in for the M2C or i could get a Porsche next? ''. that sort of killed the M2C for me, and ive done over 2000 miles in an M2C but i just don't get that excited about the M2C as i did about the M2 in 2016 when i worked my ass off to be able to put in a deposit.

At the end of the day i think it comes down to what people want, i completely understand if people want to stick with the M2 line up and continue to buy the next one and the next one and the next one but the way i see it is i've got a great car, which i really wanted and when i replace it it needs to be equally as special to me personally for me to want to sell it and buy this next car whatever it may be. ( Probably a porsche. )

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Sure, Sport + on both. Still not really comparable in my opinion...

Again, the M2's pedal moves easier, which I think plays a factor.

The throttle is less sensitive in the S55, which I suspect BMW mapped that way so the average driver doesn't kill himself when the full surge of boosted wheel-spin kicks in. Trust me, I spun out in my friend's fully-tuned N54 335i because I wasn't expecting the raging-bull rush of power to throttle application.

It safer when the throttle is more progressive for the average driver, who doesn't live their life a quarter mile at a time.

The M2 N55 can handle having a little more sensitive throttle without it getting raging-bull out of control because it naturally has a less boosted motor.

Safety and liability, not a power discrepancy in throttle feel between both vehicles.

[alan7467]

Had to cancel my 2020 M2C order this morning due to an unexpected reallocation of funds towards real estate. However, I still have enough fun car money for this year to pursue a used M2. So I'll be test driving a lightly used OG this Saturday. Very curious to see how it compares to the M2C.

[krizze]

Originally Posted by alan7467

Had to cancel my 2020 M2C order this morning due to an unexpected reallocation of funds towards real estate. However, I still have enough fun car money for this year to pursue a used M2. So I'll be test driving a lightly used OG this Saturday. Very curious to see how it compares to the M2C.

That's a sign from a higher power.

[cooler2442]

It's an interesting comparison. I test drove a 2017 used BMW M2(17k miles) at a local dealer(6speed) and the car just did not feel great; the shifting wasn't as precise as I wanted, took a while for it to "engage" where as the Porsche GT4 manual was like a bolt action rifle and super crisp/amazing, the car didn't feel like it had a ton of power like I was hoping and I felt quiet a bit of body roll. I walked away saying I needed to get a Porsche instead(GT4) to get that fun emotion from the car that I wanted.

Then a 250mile used M2C came up for sale a few miles away at an amazing price since the owner got a GT3 Touring allocation so he had to sell the M2C right away to get the GT3. I met up with him to test drive that car and it felt like a completely different beast, the DCT was amazing(definitely better than the 6mt in my opinion and my last "fun" car was a 2008 Lotus Exige S240 in 6 speed), the body roll was non existent and the car felt crazy planted, the power from the car was exhilarating(feels way faster than the normal M2). We agreed on the price and I bought the car instead of paying 40k more for a GT4 since this car felt maybe 80-85% of the GT4 where as the normal M2 6 speed felt maybe 60%?

[TerryCTR]

^^ you lost me at bodyroll

[cooler2442]

Originally Posted by TerryCTR

^^ you lost me at bodyroll

Not sure what it must have been but I definitely felt less body roll/more confidence inspiring handling in the M2C.

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by cooler2442

Not sure what it must have been but I definitely felt less body roll/more confidence inspiring handling in the M2C.

“ Competition “ label placebo effect - there’s no difference in handling - period.

[PilotxERAU]

Originally Posted by D22M2

“ Competition “ label placebo effect - there’s no difference in handling - period.

I did the strut bar retrofit on my OG M2, Dinan front sway bar, end links, and bushings. This thing is more direct and responsive than my friends M2C and he admitted that not me.

[Rupes]

Originally Posted by cooler2442

Not sure what it must have been but I definitely felt less body roll/more confidence inspiring handling in the M2C.

It's the extra weight. It grounds the car to the ground.

These Toyota customers can testify to that.

[m2for2]

Originally Posted by PilotxERAU

2022 S58 M2 beats all of you.

Truth^

[m2for2]

Originally Posted by D22M2

“ Competition “ label placebo effect - there’s no difference in handling - period.

Is this actually true? I thought that some of the suspension components were different?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by m2for2

Truth^

I never understand these comments - of course the newer car will "beat" the older ones in objective testing, otherwise what's the point?

There are parts of the OG M2 that I like better, and other parts (based upon my F80) that I think I would like better in the M2C.

That's the point...these aren't perfect machines. Unless you have enough money to have multiple supercars, well, you're going to have to live with some imperfections in a "compromised from the start" car like the M2/M2C. Gotta remember, these are not built from the ground up like a 911 or Cayman to be sports cars. They are based upon a run of the mill 2er, which has been improved in many significant ways, but it will always have that underlining DNA.

Not a bad thing, of course, but something to remember.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by eatingpizzainthef87rules

OG LCI M2 with two buckets + Ohlins + CS steering flash = perfect car.

Till it gets hot and cuts back power on track...

[JRF]

Originally Posted by cooler2442

Not sure what it must have been but I definitely felt less body roll/more confidence inspiring handling in the M2C.

must be all that extra weight on the M2C.... either that or the down-force from the new mirrors.

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by PilotxERAU

I did the strut bar retrofit on my OG M2, Dinan front sway bar, end links, and bushings. This thing is more direct and responsive than my friends M2C and he admitted that not me.

Wow so your modded car with aftermarket performance parts feels more direct than a factory stock car? What a surprise...

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I never understand these comments - of course the newer car will "beat" the older ones in objective testing, otherwise what's the point?

There are parts of the OG M2 that I like better, and other parts (based upon my F80) that I think I would like better in the M2C.

That's the point...these aren't perfect machines. Unless you have enough money to have multiple supercars, well, you're going to have to live with some imperfections in a "compromised from the start" car like the M2/M2C. Gotta remember, these are not built from the ground up like a 911 or Cayman to be sports cars. They are based upon a run of the mill 2er, which has been improved in many significant ways, but it will always have that underlining DNA.

Not a bad thing, of course, but something to remember.

Well put. I believe the whole "my car is faster than yours" dispute is childish. Not taking sides but wouldn't common sense dictate that the vehicle with more power to weight be, well, faster : Why is it even a question..

You pull away the skin, the M cars in BMW line up is a notch about the standard model, they don't defy gravity or float above water. They where enhanced with parts that skew performance over comfort. Not bad thing for the price your pay, in comparison to a 1/2 million dollar P car. Thats the appeal of the M cars, value.

[Bimmer28312]

Loved my 2017 M2 which I ended up doing the full dinan turbo upgrade and sold last year. Sold it because I wanted more in a car and was gonna go zo6 route. Long story short was hit by a car on Vacation and now I'm carless atm. So this leaves me some options. Go the competition route or wait for the S58 which sounds to be coming out sooner than later. As for people saying sound is a deal breaker I'm gonna have to agree here. The sound of a car is part of the experience and I refuse to buy a sports car I hate to hear which I'm sorry the S55 is atrocious in sound but cannot deny its power delivery. That being said, I will opt to buy an e92 m3 for now and wait for the new S58 M2.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by M-Azing

Looked at a ton of videos of the M2C...about being a real M, better handling, etc. But what keeps me holding onto my OG M2 is the amazing sound .. I have the MPE.. Curious to hear what all the critics have to say when they test drive an M2C fitted with the soon to be released MPE ...wonder if the M2C with MPE can ever be as intoxicating. Has anyone compared in real life (and driven) an M4C with MPE versus the OG M2 with MPE?

Ah so there is an imminent MPE coming for M2C. I've been out of touch recently, back in the day I think this was going to be non-EU only, sorry to ask but is that still the case?