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      01-21-2015, 03:25 PM   #23
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Those aren't the production M2 fenders (they are M235i). Look at the difference, same wheels though:

I don't believe those are the same wheels. Take a closer look. The wheels on the red car have a greater space between the split spokes.

EDIT: Adding pictures. They are clearly different wheels.

Red car has 19 inch wheels. Blue car has 18 wheels. This is an important observation!!!!
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I don't believe those are the same wheels. Take a closer look. The wheels on the red car have a greater space between the split spokes.

EDIT: Adding pictures. They are clearly different wheels.
Ah very good call. You are good at this man
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i really like this car. let's hope the engine doesn't disappoint.
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Some of BMW's best work to date. The M2 will be incredible. To get an idea, just look over the spy pics, and compare a 435i to an M4, will give a decent idea. This will be an incredible car.
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Some speculation. Looks like BMW might do a BMW 1M type of transformation of the 2-series "M2". No CF-roof, probably not as extensive changes to the chassis as the M3 / M4 (rear axle subframe bolted directly to the chassis etc), a tuned N55 engine but probably a M-diff and DCT.

As the 1M, will probably be a very fun car. But without the limited numbers and the novelty of being the first M with a turbo, will it be special enough?

Really looking forward to seeing it in the flesh!
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Ah very good call. You are good at this man
Haha thanks it's the engineering mindset!

I'm on the forum so much every day. Love it when new stuff comes out.

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Red car has 19 inch wheels. Blue car has 18 wheels. This is an important observation!!!!
Blue car is driving on snow, hence it makes more sense that it sports 18" wheels.
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Blue car is driving on snow, hence it makes more sense that it sports 18" wheels.
Oh, I agree completely.

But if the M2 were solely coming with 19 inch wheels, like many people have thought, then this wouldn't be the case. No point in testing vehicle dynamic feel with a different wheel size, as the different wheels sizes provided different traction dynamics, especially in the snow.
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Oh, I agree completely.

But if the M2 were solely coming with 19 inch wheels, like many people have thought, then this wouldn't be the case. No point in testing vehicle dynamic feel with a different wheel size, as the different wheels sizes provided different traction dynamics, especially in the snow.
Well hold on. You are completely right that the red and blue cars have different rims (blue car is wearing a completely different set of winter wheels which are narrower). But isn't the red car wearing 18s as well?

Here's another shot of the red + another mule



Here's an M4 with 18s



Or have I been looking at the wrong rims the entire time? Here's an M2 with 19s:
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Well hold on. You are completely right that the red and blue cars have different rims (blue car is wearing a completely different set of winter wheels which are narrower). But isn't the red car wearing 18s as well?

Here's another shot of the red + another mule



Here's an M4 with 18s



Or have I been looking at the wrong rims the entire time? Here's an M2 with 19s:
Those 18 inch M4 wheels are actually not the ones that the red M2 is wearing. Give me a few minutes, I'll show you why they're not. They are very similar, but there is a kink (bump) in the spoke of the M4 wheels towards the center that the red and silver M2 wheels does not have.

Hold on, need a few minutes.

haha

EDIT: Here we go. Images got distorted in terms of definition, but compare this in the initial photos that you posted, should be pretty clear.

Another image, clearly no bump here. Honestly I'm still confused about what to expect in terms of wheel size now. Looool.
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Those 18 inch M4 wheels are actually not the ones that the red M2 is wearing. Give me a few minutes, I'll show you why they're not. They are very similar, but there is a kink (bump) in the spoke of the M4 wheels towards the center that the red and silver M2 wheels does not have.

Hold on, need a few minutes.

haha

EDIT: Here we go. Images got distorted in terms of definition, but compare this in the initial photos that you posted, should be pretty clear.

Another image, clearly no bump here. Honestly I'm still confused about what to expect in terms of wheel size now. Looool.
What the hell, wow. I need to start paying attention
I was wondering why 18s without a drop looked so good on the mule. Now I see what you guys mean. Very interesting!

The whole time since I've been following this car, I thought they were running 18s haha. I thought they were going to take the wheels from the M3/4 and offer them. Now it looks like BMW made bespoke wheels, albeit very similar design to the M3/4's 18s
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As a previous owner of a 1M, I have been following this car since the news hit that they were in fact building one.

The only concern I have is how this will stack up to the current M3/4 lineup? When I purchased my 1M, the current M3 was a naturally aspirated V8 that had a much higher RPM redline than my six did.

Will this car be too comparable to the M3, minus the few goodies I know won't be offered in this model?????? Just my daily pondering.
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my question is, Are those side skirts going to stay like that.. its hideous!
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Some speculation. Looks like BMW might do a BMW 1M type of transformation of the 2-series "M2". No CF-roof, probably not as extensive changes to the chassis as the M3 / M4 (rear axle subframe bolted directly to the chassis etc), a tuned N55 engine but probably a M-diff and DCT.

As the 1M, will probably be a very fun car. But without the limited numbers and the novelty of being the first M with a turbo, will it be special enough?

Really looking forward to seeing it in the flesh!
They have an opportunity to develop a great car if they want to. I am afraid that bean counters are winning again. A development short path is not the best option. There is a cost for bringing it to market sooner make no mistake. I hope I am wrong. It seems that BMW is in panic mode after Ford's show.
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Some speculation. Looks like BMW might do a BMW 1M type of transformation of the 2-series "M2". No CF-roof, probably not as extensive changes to the chassis as the M3 / M4 (rear axle subframe bolted directly to the chassis etc), a tuned N55 engine but probably a M-diff and DCT.

As the 1M, will probably be a very fun car. But without the limited numbers and the novelty of being the first M with a turbo, will it be special enough?

Really looking forward to seeing it in the flesh!
I'm also speculating, but I think you are spot on. I feel like we would have seen a CF roof by now if it was going to be offered.

I've said it since the beginning that I'd be surprised if we saw CF. But I do think that the M2 will essentially just get a driveline straight from the M3/4, probably just without the CF driveshaft. It better be the direct mounted subframe though. Hell I actually thought they were just going to offer it with 6MT or 8AT.

No doubt that if this is the case, this will turn off a lot of potential forum members. Personally, I'd be OK with that setup. It'll all come down to pricing then. If that is what's going to be offered, it better start in the high 40s or very low 50s. We shall see I guess
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my question is, Are those side skirts going to stay like that.. its hideous!
Of course not. These are test mules with pre-production bodywork.
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Those aren't the production M2 fenders (they are M235i). Look at the difference, same wheels though:

Thanks for the side by side, the latest winter shot isn't setting off fireworks for me. But the comparison kinda draws it together.
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They have an opportunity to develop a great car if they want to. I am afraid that bean counters are winning again. A development short path is not the best option. There is a cost for bringing it to market sooner make no mistake. I hope I am wrong. It seems that BMW is in panic mode after Ford's show.
I doubt it is panic mode from the Ford show. The panic more likely comes from reading recent M4 reviews. But the 350 and GT can't help; outstanding job FORD!!!
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I wouldn't discount the CF roof so quickly. BMW needs to reduce weight at not too great a cost, a few lbs here and there will add up if they do it right. But to keep everyone in suspense about the roof, all they've got to do is paint it. Forget the camo, too obvious and it'd ruin the surprise. Will be a real treat if the wraps came off the concept at Geneva and voila...there's the CF roof and no one saw it coming. IMHO of course.
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I wouldn't discount the CF roof so quickly. BMW needs to reduce weight at not too great a cost, a few lbs here and there will add up if they do it right. But to keep everyone in suspense about the roof, all they've got to do is paint it. Forget the camo, too obvious and it'd ruin the surprise. Will be a real treat if the wraps came off the concept at Geneva and voila...there's the CF roof and no one saw it coming. IMHO of course.
I think Mark is on to something with this. Kind of like how Ford kept the GT's design a complete secret.


and then BAM out comes the most beautiful car I've ever seen.

Ford is killing it right now. Go BMW, but go U.S.A. as well. Some awesome American cars out right now.
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I think Mark is on to something with this. Kind of like how Ford kept the GT's design a complete secret.


and then BAM out comes the most beautiful car I've ever seen.

Ford is killing it right now. Go BMW, but go U.S.A. as well. Some awesome American cars out right now.
So I'm counting on your eagle eye Adam to see if any of the pics might give up a clue. I looked real close at the red/blue mules but nothing to indicate anything but...a roof. I think this'll be tougher than your dissection of the camo wraps but if anyone can do it, it's you. Hey, agree with your Ford thoughts. GT350 "might be" a consideration but I'm a bimmer diehard and it'd be tough to make the switch. But oh that sound......
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