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      02-11-2020, 09:03 AM   #1497
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Why? The 8 series is a more expensive car and higher in BMW's range.
It shows that they can quickly adapt if they choose.
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Seeing the visible key hole on the driver's door handle is nasty. Especially when coming from handles that retract into the door so they remain flush with the body line. CS stick out and have silver key hole
That doesn't have anything to do with comfort access. My 335 has comfort access etc as well. The handles are not flush (standard F30 design), and has the key hole which is there for access if the electronics fail. Even without comfort access you still have remote unlock/lock, just not touch.
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      02-11-2020, 10:31 AM   #1499
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Ticks me off that 8 series gets more individual colors, and the M2CS only comes in 4 options.
I think that the lack of color choices has nothing to do with expense and everything to do with marketing. You pay to play. It's their company, they can do what they want. If you don't like the color choices, wrap it.
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Ticks me off that 8 series gets more individual colors, and the M2CS only comes in 4 options.
I think that the lack of color choices has nothing to do with expense and everything to do with marketing. You pay to play. It's their company, they can do what they want. If you don't like the color choices, wrap it.
Isn't it all factory related and depends whether (is it Leipzig?) can provide customer paint options.

F22, F23, F87 all set by the current same constraint. However I think this is being put in place 'soon' bit outside the lifespan of the models I've listed.
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Isn't it all factory related and depends whether (is it Leipzig?) can provide customer paint options.

F22, F23, F87 all set by the current same constraint. However I think this is being put in place 'soon' bit outside the lifespan of the models I've listed.
Yes the M2 paint colors have always been constrained by the factory location.
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      02-11-2020, 06:14 PM   #1502
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If it actually saved weight that could be measured, there might just barely be a point on their side, but dumping CA loses 1 to 1.5lbs at most (tally from the thread on E90post) -- mainly the module and antennas. Poll all the owners of CS' -- do you want to save 1lb and lose CA? Guessing that poll comes back 95+% wanting CA. In the M3/M4CS thread, that seems to be the most common complaint about the car.
It appears to be some sort of marketing game plan some "wizard" dreamed up at BMW whereby they think the market as a whole will be "impressed" that the car doesn't have CA and therefore it is more "special".
IMHO the BMW decision to drop 'Comfort Access' on the M2 CS (as well as on the M3 CS and M4 CS) for (supposedly) 'weight saving' reasons is indeed kinda pointless.

Same goes for the BMW decision to drop the (practical) USB 2.1 Ampère port inside the cupholders on the M2 CS.

Another example: passengers in the back lost their airco ventilation.

All for the sake of 'weight saving' or supposed track-tool bragging rights ?



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For a quick list of features available on the M2 Competition which ain't available on the M2 CS: see here.
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If this thing was ever to actually meant to be useful on the track it would come with adjustable front camber capable of providing at least -2.5 degrees up front. Instead it will just load up, overheat and burn the outside edge of the fronts on track when driven at the limits.

Which is *vastly* more useful for track use: adjustable front camber or saving 1lb for deleting comfort access?
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Canadian CS comes with dual zone airco.
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Canadian CS comes with dual zone airco.
Then the airco of the US-spec M2 CS differs from the one of the EURO-spec M2 CS.
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Airco of the M2 CS is not the one of the M2 Competition, but the one of the M4 CS. Comparison:

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Build & price on Canadian site shows dual zone. Confirmed by Sales person. Makes sense we have seen both versions on display CS. Same option code as M2C. 534.
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M2 CS at Montreal auto show has dual zone climate.




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If this thing was ever to actually meant to be useful on the track it would come with adjustable front camber capable of providing at least -2.5 degrees up front. Instead it will just load up, overheat and burn the outside edge of the fronts on track when driven at the limits.

Which is *vastly* more useful for track use: adjustable front camber or saving 1lb for deleting comfort access?
Agreed. My front tires are completely trashed on the outer edges from just one half day at the track where it was hot and I was pushing the car a little too hard through the corners. I would upgrade to the CS in a heartbeat if they included adjustable suspension components.

Edit: to elaborate, I think that would round out the CS nicely. Some M2C owners will also eventually want to upgrade wheels/tires and possibly brakes.
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Agreed. My front tires are completely trashed on the outer edges from just one half day at the track where it was hot and I was pushing the car a little too hard through the corners. I would upgrade to the CS in a heartbeat if they included adjustable suspension components.

Edit: to elaborate, I think that would round out the CS nicely. Some M2C owners will also eventually want to upgrade wheels/tires and possibly brakes.
Contrast that to something like the C8 vette which has a large range of adjustment for camber front and rear, and they provide track tested recommended settings for optimum track use too (which of course are substantially different from "normal" settings - see latest car mag track tests with the setup evaluated vs stock). Honestly, here in 2020 if BMW was ever going to get serious, they would have done so by now. In the meantime, it's all marketing.
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Build & price on Canadian site shows dual zone. Confirmed by Sales person. Makes sense we have seen both versions on display CS. Same option code as M2C. 534.
If the Canadian car has it, it would seem the USA one would also (i.e. BMWNA seems unlikely to import two different setups to me).
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Any chance the US version retains comfort access, or is this confirmed no on the Canadian version
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Build & price on Canadian site shows dual zone. Confirmed by Sales person. Makes sense we have seen both versions on display CS. Same option code as M2C. 534.
If the Canadian car has it, it would seem the USA one would also (i.e. BMWNA seems unlikely to import two different setups to me).
Canada does piggyback off all US automotive rules and regulations to help streamline trade and travel. However, when is comes to non-regulated packages and options, they do vary between both regions.

For instance, Canada gets the 40/20/40 rear fold down seats, the US only fitted with a 40/60 split.

Also, Canada gets a third 12v outlet, under the glovebox, US doesn't..

There are a few more differences I won't bore you with but the point being, it's possible that the HVAC and Comfort Access feature could be different between the two sovereign countries, so it's anyone's guess, until it's officially confirm.
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Then the airco of the US-spec M2 CS differs from the one of the EURO-spec M2 CS.
On the configuration page of the CS (interior picture) on BMW.be, just the same AC is showing as the one of the M2 competition.

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On the configuration page of the CS (interior picture) on BMW.be, just the same AC is showing as the one of the M2 competition.
I would take any photos from a configurator with a grain of salt. They are notorious for misleading images.
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Comfort access is not coming on the Canadian CS. I wish it was but that being said it’s not a deal breaker. I found on my 240 when walking away from the car it was more convenient to hit the lock button on the fob. But when approaching the car just grabbing the door handle was nice. No big deal but dumb to omit it on this car. Just my .02.

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If you go to the Canadian regional forum, under M2 CS Canadian pricing there is a product planning bulletin. It shows the differences between the M2C and the M2CS. Looks pretty official to me. No mention of the M2CS not having dual zone airco. Does say no comfort access. If I had to guess the US model will be similar.
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Comfort access is not coming on the Canadian CS. I wish it was but that being said it’s not a deal breaker. I found on my 240 when walking away from the car it was more convenient to hit the lock button on the fob. But when approaching the car just grabbing the door handle was nice. No big deal but dumb to omit it on this car. Just my .02.
This is me as well. I always lock with a fob. Touching the handle is nice for unlocking, but by no means a deal breaker. It's not like the dark ages of using a physical key . I'd still like to hear a real justification for it. I'd believe added security before reduced weight. Does this also mean no remote start? I'll have to look up comfort access features.

https://www.ppsl-bmw.sg/insights/Comfort-access-system

It's funny, my Jag only has half this feature. I don't believe it locks itself if I walk away from it. I just don't have to remove the key from pocket to get in and start. It won't be missed if I still have remote start feature.
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On the configuration page of the CS (interior picture) on BMW.be, just the same AC is showing as the one of the M2 competition.
I would take any photos from a configurator with a grain of salt. They are notorious for misleading images.
Yeah, inaccuracies can happen with configurators, for example the M2 CS configurator features no black panel instrument cluster with squared figures (still pre-black panel with rounded figures and more divisions), door handles in dry carbon (instead of wet carbon) and headrests in Dakota leather (instead of Merino leather).

So what about the M2 CS airco: dual zone as on the M2C or simplified/single zone as on the M3 CS, M4 CS and M4 GTS ?
  • official M2 CS release pictures for the European LHD model (1J31) show simplified/single zone airco (see for example here);
  • the M2 CS photo vehicle on display in Belgium (EUR-spec model 1J31) equally features the simplified/single zone airco; but that car was 'older' (built in March 2019); its VIN specs don't feature code 534 "Automatic Airconditioning" (see here);
  • the M2 CS photo vehicle on display in L.A. (US-spec model 1J33) features the dual zone airco; this car is more 'recent' (built in August 2019); its VIN specs feature indeed option 534 "Automatic Airconditioning" (see here);
  • the M2 CS photo vehicle on display in the UK (EUR-spec RHD model 1J32) features dual zone airco; its VIN specs are not disclosed (though a forum fellow confirmed to have these) but the car is more 'recent' and will feature option 534 "Automatic Airconditioning";
So it's fairly easy: check whether your M2 CS order features code 534 "Automatic Airconditioning". If affirmative, your M2 CS will feature dual zone airco. And if it's a EUR-spec model 1J31, the official M2 CS release pictures of the airco (November 2019) are already outdated.

But there will still be a difference: the M2 Competition features ventilation in the rear - that was omitted on the M2 CS.

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