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      09-01-2020, 03:35 PM   #89
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Anyways the m2c is a better value then m2 in every way shape and form. That was my point.
Depends on what you're using it for. My car cost much less than yours, and suits me as a daily driver better than an M2C would.

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What's really modified though?
If it's not how it came from the factory, it's modified. Which part are you questioning?
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Depends on what you're using it for. My car cost much less than yours, and suits me as a daily driver better than an M2C would.

If it's not how it came from the factory, it's modified. Which part are you questioning?
That’s what I just don’t get... in what way does it serve you better?

Are you honestly telling me if both cars were available at the same time, and for 5k more you were getting all of the upgrades the m2C has you wouldn’t take that deal?

Because I drove an m2 in 2018 and fell in love with it... but when I heard the comp had addressed all the issues I foresaw with it ... I made my buying decision. It was mostly timing for me. I probably would have bought the 18 m2 if I didn’t have a free company car at the time. But if I had bought it... I’d personally would have been pissed that they upgraded the comp so much, at such little additional cost
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That’s what I just don’t get... in what way does it serve you better?
It looks, and sounds better (to me), and I paid less for it, especially at the time when I bought (one year ago today).

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Are you honestly telling me if both cars were available at the same time, and for 5k more you were getting all of the upgrades the m2C has you wouldn’t take that deal?
I'm telling you that I don't consider the ugly exhaust, ugly wheels, bad sound, increased price, and S55 an "upgrade."

Let me make it simple. If they were the SAME price I would pick an OG M2. But I use my car for a nice daily, not a track car.
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It looks, and sounds better (to me), and I paid less for it, especially at the time when I bought (one year ago today).



I'm telling you that I don't consider the ugly exhaust, ugly wheels, bad sound, increased price, and S55 an "upgrade."

Let me make it simple. If they were the SAME price I would pick an OG M2. But I use my car for a nice daily, not a track car.
Well damn man. Looks like you made the right decision.

I feel the same way about my purchase.

Cheers!
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Well damn man. Looks like you made the right decision.

I feel the same way about my purchase.

Cheers!
Both cars are great cars. As a daily driver there is very little difference. Time to let this discussion rest.
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As an original M2 owner, I don't dispute that the M2C is a lot better. If I had to do it over again, no doubt I'll take the M2C. But since I got mine long before the M2C was announced, of course I'm going to stick with the OG.

However, it wasn't worth trading the original M2 for the M2C. Of course I wish I have the M2C now, but I'm not going to make the switch because if I'm going to get a track car, I'm going to keep the M2 as my fun DD while getting a dedicated track/weekend car. Hopefully I can get a 981 GT4 in a few years as the dedicated track car, or if I can't, I'll get an American car such as a Camaro ZL1 1LE, C7 Grand Sport, or Shelby GT350R all while keeping the OG M2 as my fun daily.
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Depends on what you're using it for. My car cost much less than yours, and suits me as a daily driver better than an M2C would.




If it's not how it came from the factory, it's modified. Which part are you questioning?
Yeah *modified* to be how the S55 originally came from and still currently does come from the factory.

I mean I don't know man, some regions don't get mirror fold on lock, some do. If it's changed via software to be identical to factory spec of another region is it *really* modified?

All that's happening is matching OEM hardware has its software updated to also to match OEM software. We are not talking about chopping off the cats here, bolting on a bigger turbo, or installing a new after market amp and speakers.
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Yeah *modified* to be how the S55 originally came from and still currently does come from the factory.

I mean I don't know man, some regions don't get mirror fold on lock, some do. If it's changed via software to be identical to factory spec of another region is it *really* modified?

All that's happening is matching OEM hardware has its software updated to also to match OEM software. We are not talking about chopping off the cats here, bolting on a bigger turbo, or installing a new after market amp and speakers.
I completely understand what you're saying, and agree, to a point. And beyond that, BMW has a vested interest in selling an M3/M4 as the big brother as well, so they don't want little brother having the same hp as big brother.

But to the letter of the law, no M2C came with the hp you speak of, so it's not stock, regardless of the engine. And if you know anything about showroom stock racing, that's the sort of thing that would put you out of it.
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so I haven't had a chance to sit in them, but from inspection it appears that the M2C seats have much better lower bolstering -- would you say that's the case?
Yes, 100%. Especially the pressure on the left leg. Not an issue with M2C seats.
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      09-02-2020, 01:39 AM   #98
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Some input from a guy that has the M2C and a CS on the way - but has never driven an OG M2. I have always preferred the split-kidneys and chrome outline on the OG M2. It was the sound of an OG M2 driving past me that convinced me to get an M2 (and stop chasing the 911). Also, I can't stand the udders hanging underneath the rear end of my M2C.

All that said, I bought the M2C for the S55. The rose-joints, big-ass brakes, and seats were just icing on the cake. If I had the OG M2, I'd want the M2C. I'm just a sucker for the hottest version of the car I love. I bought the CS for the same reason. But that doesn't mean I'd ever turn my nose up at another M2, regardless of the generation.

The M2 (all iterations), in my opinion, will do very well with car enthusiasts for decades to come. Now... who's going to start the argument about German-era M2's vs Mexican?
Spot on !
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Makes it better but still a problem.
saw one in person at the dealer today, and yeah that thing is terrible. dunno what the heck they were thinking
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Nothing to envy on the M2 comp for me.. . . Maybe just the seats. I don't like tuning.
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This thread again huh? Shocking
I own neither, but I'd highly consider the M2C (love the CS and it's really BMW getting back to their roots, but I think it's a little too pricey). For me, the reason I personally wouldn't consider the OG is because I much prefer the power delivery of the S55. Having driven both a few times, I got out of the Comp thinking this car is just about perfect, although that equal length exhaust on the M4 forums would be very tempting.

It's really no different than my current M cars. I really enjoy my E36 M3 S52. It is surprisingly torquey, sounds great and I love that it's reliable (hmmm quite similar to the M2 OG isn't it...). But I'll never pretend it has anything on the S54 in my Z4MR, especially on the top end.

The way these cars pull at the top end is an M signature for me, and the S55 has that IMO.
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It looks, and sounds better (to me)I'm telling you that I don't consider the ugly exhaust, ugly wheels, bad sound, increased price, and S55 an "upgrade."
S55 = More power = upgrade
Sound? Don't care (But I'll give you that one)
Wheels= Upgrade (2M wheels are boring)
Real M interior, electronics & seats = Upgrade
No fee CarPlay = Upgrade
Real M Steering wheel with M1 & M2 buttons = Upgrade
Mirrors = Upgrade
Front clip & tail lights = Upgrade
Cow utter = Mental upgrade, reminds my I'm not driving a 2M everyday

Increased price? Happy to pay slightly more. Didn't have to wait on a list or pay MSRP. Actually got a discount, plus it's newer (2020) with more warranty.

M2C for the win, didn't know we were still stirring the pot
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To each his own, opinion and desires.

I liked the M2 and enjoyed driving it at the BMW PC but timing led to my M2 Comp. I like the edgy more aggressive front end styling, I like the wheels and mirrors to set it apart. The interior and seats are a bit more special. The M buttons add more flexibility in settings as well. And the Sunset Orange really stands out.

Yes the OG M2 sound is better, fantastic with a Dinan exhaust. But the M2C is OK and better than early M3s/M4 S55s in my opinion. It may not have the low end torque of the N55 but it begs for mid range pulls all day long.
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S55 = More power = upgrade
Sound? Don't care (But I'll give you that one)
Wheels= Upgrade (2M wheels are boring)
Real M interior, electronics & seats = Upgrade
No fee CarPlay = Upgrade
Real M Steering wheel with M1 & M2 buttons = Upgrade
Mirrors = Upgrade
Front clip & tail lights = Upgrade
Cow utter = Mental upgrade, reminds my I'm not driving a 2M everyday

Increased price? Happy to pay slightly more. Didn't have to wait on a list or pay MSRP. Actually got a discount, plus it's newer (2020) with more warranty.

M2C for the win, didn't know we were still stirring the pot
I think it's obvious that you and I aren't on the same page with anything. We just see things differently.

I love my OG M2, and I'm happy you like your M2C.
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I think it's obvious that you and I aren't on the same page with anything. We just see things differently.

I love my OG M2, and I'm happy you like your M2C.
Actually I've just been fucking with people all along. Covid, boredom & beer is a bad combination.

I've actually got mad respect for the M2, M2C and 1M (shame BMW couldn't name it M1).

I get the OPs opinion and yours. I'm seriously worried about what BMW will do with the next generation. I'll be waiting for the M2C of it also if there is a waiting list. Last time I was 23rd in line for a OG M2
Not doing that again, waiting is a bitch!

Plus, if it doesn't come in a respectable color of red I'm out!

Lastly, for all those I've wired up along with way I was just goofin'
Hope I didn't give anyone too much heartburn!
I'll pick a different topic next time

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So much saltiness and jealousy in here. BMW doesn't decide what qualifies as a real M car. Enthusiasts do. Since the consensus is such that 1M and M2 are not real M cars (mainly due to inferior, parts-bin engines), then they are not real M cars. Only a crazy person would prefer the M2 over M2C. If you love the M2, great, but quit being sour over M2C being superior. Deal with it.
I know you're just messing around, or maybe not; but the statement in bold makes no sense IMO.

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Some input from a guy that has the M2C and a CS on the way - but has never driven an OG M2. I have always preferred the split-kidneys and chrome outline on the OG M2. It was the sound of an OG M2 driving past me that convinced me to get an M2 (and stop chasing the 911). Also, I can't stand the udders hanging underneath the rear end of my M2C.

All that said, I bought the M2C for the S55. The rose-joints, big-ass brakes, and seats were just icing on the cake. If I had the OG M2, I'd want the M2C. I'm just a sucker for the hottest version of the car I love. I bought the CS for the same reason. But that doesn't mean I'd ever turn my nose up at another M2, regardless of the generation.

The M2 (all iterations), in my opinion, will do very well with car enthusiasts for decades to come. Now... who's going to start the argument about German-era M2's vs Mexican?
Nice input.

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Actually I've just been fucking with people all along. Covid, boredom & beer is a bad combination.

I've actually got mad respect for the M2, M2C and 1M (shame BMW couldn't name it M1).

I get the OPs opinion and yours. I'm seriously worried about what BMW will do with the next generation. I'll be waiting for the M2C of it also if there is a waiting list. Last time I was 23rd in line for a OG M2
Not doing that again, waiting is a bitch!

Plus, if it doesn't come in a respectable color of red I'm out!

Lastly, for all those I've wired up along with way I was just goofin'
Hope I didn't give anyone too much heartburn!
I'll pick a different topic next time
I kind of thought that's what you were doing. I like this thread, because I agree and like my OG M2; but I knew it would trigger some people on both sides once the conversation got going.
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I think the M2C is an objectively better performing car. The seats, mirrors and carbon strut brace were really nice adds. Personally I don't like the front clip as much (connected grille and the vents at the bottom of the bumper aren't my style), but hey, I actually prefer the look of the pre-LCI taillights and cluster, so who am I to judge.

On the S55 vs. the N55, yeah, the S has more power, and starts with the "right" letter. The OG M2's N55 sounds great and is probably the pinnacle of what BMW could do with that engine.

If I had to chose between the two today, I'm not sure which direction I'd go. However, I do know of all the other cars currently being sold (new cars), it would be one of the two. The performance, the feel, 6MT available, at the price, it's just hard to beat, and I'm glad BMW's still offering it in one form or another.

And, if we're throwing out some photos...
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Actually I've just been fucking with people all along. Covid, boredom & beer is a bad combination.
All I meant was from seeing your posts in other threads, you and I don't ever seem to be on the same page. But I'm a "live and let live" kinda' guy, so all is good.

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All I meant was from seeing your posts in other threads, you and I don't ever seem to be on the same page. But I'm a "live and let live" kinda' guy, so all is good.

Disagree mostly? That would make you a well adjusted, high functioning member of society!

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It looks, and sounds better (to me), and I paid less for it, especially at the time when I bought (one year ago today).

I'm telling you that I don't consider the ugly exhaust, ugly wheels, bad sound, increased price, and S55 an "upgrade."

Let me make it simple. If they were the SAME price I would pick an OG M2. But I use my car for a nice daily, not a track car.
Good for you. You have a zillion posts that keep saying the same thing. The M2C is ugly. That's all you come on this board to do. The other one is to tell people how much you hate the 788m wheels. Oh and last but not least you have some kind of lotus so that makes you a hero and know it all or something. You sir are the very definition of beating a dead horse.
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