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Ever wondered what the fastest S55-powered run is around the Nurburgring? Well, it’s 7 minutes and 12 seconds – that’s faster than the Porsche 991 GT3, Dodge Viper ACR, and Lexus LFA.

…Ran by none other than TPS Performance’s M2 Competition.





TPS Performance had ran an impressive time of 7:22 in their non-Competition M2 – so they had to return with their modded M2 Comp. to attempt to beat it, and that they did.

Watch the video here:


The car features KW Competition 3-Way adjustable suspension, Michelin semi-slicks, a tune, and is pushing 520 horsepower. When going for a new record, ideally, the car’s setup, the conditions, and the driver’s knowledge of the track are all in-line. While the car and the driver, Alex Hardt, had two of these three things covered, the weather was a different story.





Alex claimed the day of this run was the hottest he had ever experienced on the track, with an ambient temperature of 98°F/36°C. Fitted with CSF’s 3-piece cooling package, the car’s IATs were kept in check and heat soak wasn’t an issue – allowing for consistent power delivery throughout the entire run, and helping the TPS Performance team to their new lap record of 7:12.



Top Mount Dual-Pass Charge-Air-Cooler (CSF #8082 / #8082R)
• World’s 1st Cast Endtank Designed Top Mount Charge-Air-Cooler for the BMW S55 Engine
• Multiple Air Dividers Cast Into Both Hot/Cold Side Endtanks for Optimized Air Flow Through the Custom Designed CSF Liquid-to-Air Core (CFD Analysis and Testing Completed to Ensure Optimal Performance)
• 60% Increase in Core Size Compared to the OEM Cooler
• Left/Right, Cross-Flow, Dual-Pass Core Configuration with 2-Stage Water Cooling for Maximum Efficiency and Intake Temperature Reduction (vs. OEM Single-Pass Vertical-Flow Design)
• Designed with 3D Scanning/Rapid Prototype Technology to Ensure Precise Fitment and Maximum Surface Area Utilization
• “Drop-in Fit” Design for an Easy & Quick Plug-and-Play Installation, Complete with OEM-Style “Quick-Connect” Water Connections and Sensor Ports
• Finished with a Professional “Crinkle Black” Powder-Coated Finish (CSF #8082), Also Available in Raw Aluminum with Option for Custom Powder-Coating Available (CSF #8082R)



Front Mount Heat Exchanger (CSF #8075 / 8075V)
• 2-row 42mm Core (Dual Core) Featuring CSF’s Exclusive B-tube Technology
• Ultra-Efficient6.5mm Tall Fins w/ Multi-Louvered Design for Maximum Surface Area Contact
• Dual-Pass Flow Structure Allows the Coolant to Flow Across the Core of the Radiator Two Times Before Exiting the Radiator for the Lowest Outlet Temperature Possible (OEM Style Design)
• CNC Machined, OEM-Style “Quick-Connect” Inlet/Outlet Connections, Mounting Brackets, and Fittings
• Includes Removable Aluminum Rock Guard
• All-Aluminum Race Style Drain Plug
• 1-Hour “Mirror Finish” Hand Polished (#8075) OR Black Powder-Coated Version (#8075V)
• “Drop-in Fit” Requiring No Modifications to Install



Dual-Pass Race-Spec DCT Transmission Cooler (CSF #8081)
• Made with CSF’s AC Condenser Technology w/ a 1-Row Super-High Pressure 26mm Multi-Channel Microtube
• 10 Cooling Tubes vs. OEM Single-Pass with Return Pipe 6-Tube Design
• High-Density Multi-Louvered Fin Design
• “Drop-in Fit” Requiring No Modifications to Install
• Lab Tested at ~30% More Efficient Than the OEM Cooler
• World’s 1st and Only True “Plug-and-Play” Upgraded DCT Transmission Cooler for the BMW S55 Engine

Learn More About CSF’s 3-Piece Cooling Kit Here: https://csfrace.com/bmw-f8x-m3-m4-cooling/
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CSF Cooling : This is a really impressive accomplishment. Equally impressive is how collected and planted the car looks throughout the lap. The combo of driver and car almost make it look easy. Comfort is not a priority when building a dedicated track car. They clearly know how to dial in a suspension. I'm hoping you can reach out to them for an answer to the following:

Where do you believe you could place a car, within the above lap times, that is also comfortable to DD and take long trips? I know this a subjective question. I think the answer could be extremely useful when setting expectations and coming from a group this knowledgeable adds weight to the response. Thanks
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Very impressive number, tires are huge help.

Can you share curb weight?
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Ever wondered what the fastest S55-powered run is around the Nurburgring? Well, it’s 7 minutes and 12 seconds – that’s faster than the Porsche 991 GT3, Dodge Viper ACR, and Lexus LFA.

…Ran by none other than TPS Performance’s M2 Competition.





TPS Performance had ran an impressive time of 7:22 in their non-Competition M2 – so they had to return with their modded M2 Comp. to attempt to beat it, and that they did.

Watch the video here:


The car features KW Competition 3-Way adjustable suspension, Michelin semi-slicks, a tune, and is pushing 520 horsepower. When going for a new record, ideally, the car’s setup, the conditions, and the driver’s knowledge of the track are all in-line. While the car and the driver, Alex Hardt, had two of these three things covered, the weather was a different story.





Alex claimed the day of this run was the hottest he had ever experienced on the track, with an ambient temperature of 98°F/36°C. Fitted with CSF’s 3-piece cooling package, the car’s IATs were kept in check and heat soak wasn’t an issue – allowing for consistent power delivery throughout the entire run, and helping the TPS Performance team to their new lap record of 7:12.



Top Mount Dual-Pass Charge-Air-Cooler (CSF #8082 / #8082R)
• World’s 1st Cast Endtank Designed Top Mount Charge-Air-Cooler for the BMW S55 Engine
• Multiple Air Dividers Cast Into Both Hot/Cold Side Endtanks for Optimized Air Flow Through the Custom Designed CSF Liquid-to-Air Core (CFD Analysis and Testing Completed to Ensure Optimal Performance)
• 60% Increase in Core Size Compared to the OEM Cooler
• Left/Right, Cross-Flow, Dual-Pass Core Configuration with 2-Stage Water Cooling for Maximum Efficiency and Intake Temperature Reduction (vs. OEM Single-Pass Vertical-Flow Design)
• Designed with 3D Scanning/Rapid Prototype Technology to Ensure Precise Fitment and Maximum Surface Area Utilization
• “Drop-in Fit” Design for an Easy & Quick Plug-and-Play Installation, Complete with OEM-Style “Quick-Connect” Water Connections and Sensor Ports
• Finished with a Professional “Crinkle Black” Powder-Coated Finish (CSF #8082), Also Available in Raw Aluminum with Option for Custom Powder-Coating Available (CSF #8082R)



Front Mount Heat Exchanger (CSF #8075 / 8075V)
• 2-row 42mm Core (Dual Core) Featuring CSF’s Exclusive B-tube Technology
• Ultra-Efficient6.5mm Tall Fins w/ Multi-Louvered Design for Maximum Surface Area Contact
• Dual-Pass Flow Structure Allows the Coolant to Flow Across the Core of the Radiator Two Times Before Exiting the Radiator for the Lowest Outlet Temperature Possible (OEM Style Design)
• CNC Machined, OEM-Style “Quick-Connect” Inlet/Outlet Connections, Mounting Brackets, and Fittings
• Includes Removable Aluminum Rock Guard
• All-Aluminum Race Style Drain Plug
• 1-Hour “Mirror Finish” Hand Polished (#8075) OR Black Powder-Coated Version (#8075V)
• “Drop-in Fit” Requiring No Modifications to Install



Dual-Pass Race-Spec DCT Transmission Cooler (CSF #8081)
• Made with CSF’s AC Condenser Technology w/ a 1-Row Super-High Pressure 26mm Multi-Channel Microtube
• 10 Cooling Tubes vs. OEM Single-Pass with Return Pipe 6-Tube Design
• High-Density Multi-Louvered Fin Design
• “Drop-in Fit” Requiring No Modifications to Install
• Lab Tested at ~30% More Efficient Than the OEM Cooler
• World’s 1st and Only True “Plug-and-Play” Upgraded DCT Transmission Cooler for the BMW S55 Engine

Learn More About CSF’s 3-Piece Cooling Kit Here: https://csfrace.com/bmw-f8x-m3-m4-cooling/
Very Cool to see that unlimited budget can get you a real performer.

What does the Apex M3 do?

So about 10K for suspension set up, plus wheels and tires 10-13K, hood 3-9K, rear spoiler 4K, rear trunk in CF ?3-4K tune 600, cooling, intake, radiator and tranny (3-4K), likely Tom Schirmer door cards (4K) Racing seats (5-7K) Front splitter (1-2K) Exhaust titanium (akra 3-7K) Cage 3-5K

Correct me if I am wrong but well over 55 K in mods.

very Impressive that it did not have much understeer, very decent set up. Driver was very good too.

What is funny is the dudes that polish our their CSF charge coolers and their cars just see the detailing bay, camera flash, let alone the road or track. Dare I say seldom 7K RPM but only for IG. LOL

Very decent run - still feel an equally prepared M4 would do way better.
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Ever wondered what the fastest S55-powered run is around the Nurburgring? Well, it’s 7 minutes and 12 seconds – that’s faster than the Porsche 991 GT3, Dodge Viper ACR, and Lexus LFA.
Sorry guys, this is fake news.

It is important for people to realize this is a BTG lap. While 7:12 isn’t bad at all, it isn’t that impressive given the modifications. It is also far from being faster than a 991 GT3 that did the Supertest lap in about the same time. There’s 20~30 seconds of difference between a BTG lap and a supertest lap, which is used by most manufacturers to post their times. You need to get your facts straight.
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Great build. Would love t see it in a Manual though.
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Sorry guys, fake news.

It is important for people to realize this is a BTG lap. While 7:12 isn’t bad at all, it isn’t that impressive given the modifications. It is also far from being faster than a 991 GT3 that did the Supertest lap in about the same time. There’s 20~30 seconds of difference between a BTG lap and a supertest lap, which is used by most manufacturers to post their times.
My thoughts too.
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Sorry guys, this is fake news.

It is important for people to realize this is a BTG lap. While 7:12 isn’t bad at all, it isn’t that impressive given the modifications. It is also far from being faster than a 991 GT3 that did the Supertest lap in about the same time. There’s 20~30 seconds of difference between a BTG lap and a supertest lap, which is used by most manufacturers to post their times. You need to get your facts stright.
Fair point on the difference in track length. But to also be fair to Alex, he did it with traffic.

I believe the take away point is M2C punching above it's weight.
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Fair point on the difference in track length. But to also be fair to Alex, he did it with traffic.

I believe the take away point is M2C punching above it's weight.
A fair point? This thread makes false claims.

It is true that it was done on a hot day in traffic. The only takeaway here IMO is that we can’t draw any conclusions from it.
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Very Cool to see that unlimited budget can get you a real performer.

What does the Apex M3 do?

So about 10K for suspension set up, plus wheels and tires 10-13K, hood 3-9K, rear spoiler 4K, rear trunk in CF ?3-4K tune 600, cooling, intake, radiator and tranny (3-4K), likely Tom Schirmer door cards (4K) Racing seats (5-7K) Front splitter (1-2K) Exhaust titanium (akra 3-7K) Cage 3-5K

Correct me if I am wrong but well over 55 K in mods.

very Impressive that it did not have much understeer, very decent set up. Driver was very good too.

What is funny is the dudes that polish our their CSF charge coolers and their cars just see the detailing bay, camera flash, let alone the road or track. Dare I say seldom 7K RPM but only for IG. LOL

Very decent run - still feel an equally prepared M4 would do way better.
While the OP is clearly just an advertisement for CSF, I'm not sure how you got to those $$$ numbers. Just because this car has these mods doesn't mean you can't get to the same level much cheaper.

For example, KW V3 don't cost 10k. And an M4 GTS wing for more downforce is currently $700 from Suvneer, why would you pay 4k for it?
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While the OP is clearly just an advertisement for CSF, I'm not sure how you got to those $$$ numbers. Just because this car has these mods doesn't mean you can't get to the same level much cheaper.

For example, KW V3 don't cost 10k. And an M4 GTS wing for more downforce is currently $700 from Suvneer, why would you pay 4k for it?
LOL, ok. So if you want a suspension set up that is worthy of this run its going to run you at least 10K Euro and that is w KW. (alignment, balancing, links etc). Charge cooler alone rad and tranny cooler is 2424£ plus 684£.

Here is a list of parts on that car. GTS-Heckflügel in Carbon 3-stufig verstellbar
Spoilerschwert von MTC
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Sure the wing you like is made of- Build material: fiber-reinforced polymer & glossy carbon fiber overlay for 699 usd.

Cheap stuff that is no TUV approved is unlikely to make it on that car. If you like going cheap quality its your choice (remember the guy who lost his legs in South Africa while racing his M3. )

Look wise I am sure you can get the car to the same level for significantly less. Ebay is a great source. LOL Anyhow mate, don't get offended. Look for genuine or race proven parts.

After all I am pretty sure you would not be tossing on eBay parts on a GT2 RS to call it MR simply for the look.
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All that and stock 2NH brakes?
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The OG m2 from lap time performance did a 7:22 BTG with a stock tune, stock cooling, manual gear box, okish tires (alot less grip than the sport cup 2's on the m2C) and stock brakes all in worse traffic. So alot less power and less performance mods, imagine what the OG m2 can do with more power and better brakes and better and wider tires.

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So imo that m2C's laptime is not too impressive factoring how heavily it was modded, how much better its tires were, the fact it was a DCT, compared to lap time performance's lightly modified manual OG m2 in heavier traffic too. No disrespect to CSF their products are superb, but imo the M2C's laptime is good but not extraordinary or anything.
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All that and stock 2NH brakes?
What’s wrong with 2NH brakes?
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What’s wrong with 2NH brakes?
Nothing, but they still have internal rubber seals which can still melt on the track. They're relatively solid brakes, but still lack the things that make top tier brakes the best, such as the slotted pistons to prevent heat transfer, internal seals to prevent them from melting, anodized coating to prevent paint fade, still not as stiff as AP racing for example etc.
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Nothing, but they still have internal rubber seals which can still melt on the track. They're relatively solid brakes, but still lack the things that make top tier brakes the best, such as the slotted pistons to prevent heat transfer, internal seals to prevent them from melting, anodized coating to prevent paint fade, still not as stiff as AP racing for example etc.
We as weekend track day warriors will benefit from none of those benefits running for 20 minutes at an hpde.
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We as weekend track day warriors will benefit from none of those benefits running for 20 minutes at an hpde.
That depends on how fast you are, for some people your statement would be true for others it wouldn't.

I don't know about you, but for me I have disintegrated the seals on every single car I owned taking them to the track because the brakes simply could not withstand the heat. I also had an m235i and those brakes not only had their seals destroyed but the color changed from blue to dark green (the m2C's silver would likely tarnish and turn dark grey or black), I'm sure the same would occur to the m2 but I haven't taken mine to the track yet. My m235i also experienced sevre brake fade which was solved when I got a BBK, so yes a larger brake kit would help. So yes these improvements would absolutely benefit someone who can push their car hard on the track.


Edit- I also meant to say that the 2NH are not bad at all, they probably have little to zero fade vs. the stock blue brakes, they will just experience damaged seals and color fading over time.
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We as weekend track day warriors will benefit from none of those benefits running for 20 minutes at an hpde.
In the EU open pitlane track days are a thing where you can freely go on track for a 2 -6 hour window.

Also its track dependent. Some tracks require a lot more braking in short time periods than others. My pad wear at Zolder was twice as high as most other tracks for example. Zolder has 3 chicanes that you approach with 160-200kmh or so.
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That depends on how fast you are, for some people your statement would be true for others it wouldn't.

I don't know about you, but for me I have disintegrated the seals on every single car I owned taking them to the track because the brakes simply could not withstand the heat. I also had an m235i and those brakes not only had their seals destroyed but the color changed from blue to dark green (the m2C's silver would likely tarnish and turn dark grey or black), I'm sure the same would occur to the m2 but I haven't taken mine to the track yet. My m235i also experienced sevre brake fade which was solved when I got a BBK, so yes a larger brake kit would help. So yes these improvements would absolutely benefit someone who can push their car hard on the track.


Edit- I also meant to say that the 2NH are not bad at all, they probably have little to zero fade vs. the stock blue brakes, they will just experience damaged seals and color fading over time.
Tomorrow I go to my local track. I have blue brakes with Pagid RSL29 pads and my friend will have 2NH brakes with Pagid RSL29. Will be interesting to see the deltas. Both cars are M2Cs he has a manual with manual seats I have DCT and elec seats (prob 50kg diff).

I just ordered an AP racing setup for the front similar to essexs but locally sourced as customs are killer
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Tomorrow I go to my local track. I have blue brakes with Pagid RSL29 pads and my friend will have 2NH brakes with Pagid RSL29. Will be interesting to see the deltas. Both cars are M2Cs he has a manual with manual seats I have DCT and elec seats (prob 50kg diff).

I just ordered an AP racing setup for the front similar to essexs but locally sourced as customs are killer
Nice! Looking forward to hearing back! The stock blue brakes are great until they fade, which tends to be around 15-20 mins with the pagid's. You probably won't see too much of a difference early because both the blue brakes and the 2NH brakes have more than enough braking force to lock the wheels, the difference mainly comes in when heat plays a role in brake fade.
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