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      01-16-2020, 07:41 PM   #221
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And now here come the M owners about to say the M340i is not a true M car and shouldn't be in the same category. Lol.
But they aren't.............

M cars are design by bmw M team, M340 isn't............

Unless there no longer is a bmw M team or bmw has changed that development process.
The M340 has the same exact aluminum suspension (with a ///M stamp), brakes and identical electronic 100% locking LSD as a "real" M car..

Does it need to be anointed by the M gods themselves for it to be christen a true M car?

I get that you guys are trying to distinguish between the two variants but the pie has been cut so thin nowadays that separating M and M Performance is almost a pointless exercise, other than for the bragging rights.

I'll be honest, I didn't think much of the M340i before I drove one but man, that car is a rocket, handles just as good as an M2 and is as M as it's really all one would need for regular road driving, with a little pep.

The electronic 100% locking LSD was the crown-jewel of all M cars over the standard models but now that BMW has leveled the playing field and made them common amongst all, so I really don't see the advantage of an official M car anymore.
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So I have purchased, owned and driven three *real* M cars, the last one being an M3 competition package car. I guess that makes me an M guy lol.

I have an M340 on order. I had several out for extended drives. I was very impressed by the smoothness, the comfort and the overall near perfect balance of the car. I'm really looking forward to owning it and driving it for next three years.

Don't worry who's thinking it's not a 'real' M. It's a great car. In many ways superior to my 2017 'real' M car.

I'm very proud to have recently fulfilled a lifetime dream to own an air cooled Porsche Carrera. That is a REAL Porsche. Authentic, pure classic. I found a gem.... 17000 original miles.... one owner. I would not trade it for a new overweight over complicated new Porsche for anything in the world. The thunk of the door, the real howl of the air cooled flat 6, that classic leather/exhaust smell that permeates every air cooled 911. My M3 feels like a video game in comparison.
Do us a favor please and a post some pictures of that Porsche.
I could care less if a M340 is not a real M
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There's more to life than just cars.
Really ??
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I used to think the same thing until I saw the potential of the B58 engine and chassis of the M340i. I'd rather have a gorgeous M340i blacked out with downpipes and a bootmod3 custom tune doing 3.5/10.8 1/4 than that hideous predator looking M car coming out soon .

BMW M fanboys are offended their luxury car is getting diluted and all about the badge contemplating their next moves to a Tesla. Real motoren werke's enthusiasts look at the engine, chassis and the raw potential across the board M included.
An M3 is, and will always be, an M3. You know what it is. And that's not changing.

I couldn't care less if regular 3 series owners get an M in front of their designation. Good for them if they care about badges. And good for BMW's pockets...

If you have driven an M3 and an M340i, the difference is still night and day. Which is why this is purely for marketing and should make non-M owners feel better about their purchase.

At the end of the day all of these cars are awesome.
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And now here come the M owners about to say the M340i is not a true M car and shouldn't be in the same category. Lol.
Because it's true
Its sad but true. I'm sticking with the e92 m3 because BMW M seems to have lost its way somewhere in the transition to F80. I wish I could upgrade but with M meaning little in the newer cars, it doesn't seem to be worth it. the M2 comp seems to come the closest but not for me for other reasons.
Have you driven a M4GTS?
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I disagree. Yes, I believe the majority of people driving around in new leased M cars are just badge snobs with more money than the badge snobs driving around in an M340, there are a lot of older M owners this is not true for.
Never judge a book by it's cover. Don't ever assume someones net worth or financial capabilities based on the car they drive. In your views, an M340i driver has more money than a 330i driver then right (since a M3 driver has more money than a M340i driver)? I could easily shut that claim down if I wanted to, but I have no need or desire to discuss my finances here.

Even though I can easily get ANY vehicle from the BMW dealership that I desire, I drive a nicely optioned 330i. There's more to life than just cars.
You are correct.

And re-reading my entire post I clearly, and vehemently, contradicted the statement you've highlighted. In retrospect, I should have removed that statement as it doesn't fit the sentiment of the rest of my post, nor do I believe it.

While I believe there are a lower number of true enthusiasts driving new BMWs versus old BMWs and there are some people who shop the max they can afford, it is unfair to make that blanket statement. Warren Buffet drives a late model Buick, I believe.
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Really ??
Well judging by this thread it doesn't seem like there is...
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An M3 is, and will always be, an M3. You know what it is. And that's not changing.

I couldn't care less if regular 3 series owners get an M in front of their designation. Good for them if they care about badges. And good for BMW's pockets...

If you have driven an M3 and an M340i, the difference is still night and day. Which is why this is purely for marketing and should make non-M owners feel better about their purchase.

At the end of the day all of these cars are awesome.
Imagine what the M3C and M4gts owners think of the typical M3? <sarcasm>
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Given how stupidly stiff these latest M cars are getting, the m340 is fast becoming the real M3 with its proper dual personality
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While I think this is quite dumb, some people choose to not get the real M car for a reason, I've owned e36/46 M3, the e92 m3 has always been an amazing looking, sounding and driving car to me. But when my 335 with a tune and down pipes is raping it I don't see the hype for me personally, I want a balance. Since we don't have a track. But I like to screw around, and partake in the occasional 1/2 mile race where every E9x performs subpar, even supercharged ones couldn't quite keep up with me.

When I was looking again, the F80 crossed my path many many times, everything about it screamed out to me. Except the exhaust note, I've heard several stock and aftermarket exhausts on them, and sadly I found them all awful, so I stuck with my e93 dct 335is, and then had a 435 for winter/daily.

When I was looking again a few months ago I again looked at f80/f82, but again couldn't find an exhaust note that I felt I could live with especially with the price so ultimately I ended up with an m340, the new tech and awd sold me on it. And the power potential mixed with total savings, I also did rear wheel drive higher powered, turbo cars for 9 or so years. Now I enjoy being able to jump in and go anywhere I want, with zero struggles at all with certain roads or conditions here, as we get stupid winters here in Alberta.

They should have kept it separate but it makes them money so they don't care.

The next few years I do plan to have an M5 competition, but that wasn't in my cards this time around with a new business and young family.

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For me the m340i took time to appreciate vs my previous f30 340i, both with adaptive suspension.

More power is always welcomed but I'd have to imagine the next M3 will be too harsh to daily, this car is right on the line and very rewarding to drive. I keep mine steering comfort, suspension comfort, engine sport plus transmission sport for normal driving.
The next M will be significantly easier to daily. No dct, awd, and more intelligent suspension. Every generation has been that way.
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I love the M340 great car but it's not a real M car. Doesn't come out of M division. I do enjoy the comments when people say wow that's an M340 or C43 AMG those are real M and AMG models, No they aren't. Great cars just not M or AMG.
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An M3 is, and will always be, an M3. You know what it is. And that's not changing.

I couldn't care less if regular 3 series owners get an M in front of their designation. Good for them if they care about badges. And good for BMW's pockets...

If you have driven an M3 and an M340i, the difference is still night and day. Which is why this is purely for marketing and should make non-M owners feel better about their purchase.

At the end of the day all of these cars are awesome.
Lmao your statement of an M3 will always be an M3 just told me everything about you, go sit down. Obviously you don't know much about these cars and haven't driven an M340i versus an M3 because the difference is negligible NOT night and day like you claim. In fact with DTC off I feel that the drivetrain and handling of the 340i feels the road better than the M3, and I own neither. The advantage of a locking differential is no longer.

And let me tell you, M parts aren't that great bud. All my friends with M4's and deep pockets get Brembo BBK's, upgraded sway bars and K2v3 coilovers, and I'm not even talking about upgrades engine parts.
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It's something BMW has done in the past...

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E28 M535i (didn't have an M engine)

Kinda cool, it just seems weird with the SUV's.
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Scanning through this thread the non-M owners seem wayyyy more angry for some reason. I keep seeing the term "insecure" thrown around for some reason but perhaps it is just projection?
Why would we be angry, there's no reason for M340i owners to be angry. The F80 guys are the ones outraged. It's not like we got our cars this afternoon after the news broke last night. We were minding our business enjoying our cars as we were since last year April when the car debuted.

This has no impact on us; our cars don't perform any worse or better since this news broke. The F80 guys are the one who feel cheated, blighted etc and as such are angry.
Not sure why but whatever. It's exciting. It just means the next M3 will be that much better.
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Scanning through this thread the non-M owners seem wayyyy more angry for some reason. I keep seeing the term "insecure" thrown around for some reason but perhaps it is just projection?
Why would we be angry, there's no reason for M340i owners to be angry. The F80 guys are the ones outraged. It's not like we got our cars this afternoon after the news broke last night. We were minding our business enjoying our cars as we were since last year April when the car debuted.

This has no impact on us; our cars don't perform any worse or better since this news broke. The F80 guys are the one who feel cheated, blighted etc and as such are angry.
Huh? Which "F80 guys" feel outraged? I have seen very few M owners expressing any type of rage. It only seems to be posts like yours where you are bent out of shape for some reason. Perhaps you don't see the irony of your post espousing your pleasure with your own car and then hating on people who drive a different model. Again, projection.
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But when my 335 with a tune and down pipes is raping it I don't see the hype for me personally, I want a balance. Since we don't have a track. But I like to screw around, and partake in the occasional 1/2 mile race where every E9x performs subpar, even supercharged ones couldn't quite keep up with me.
It's all relative to how you choose to use the car.

When I had my car in Florida where everything was flat and straight, I'd buy into your philosophy. But it would have been guided by my personal scenario and not the engineer's intent.

I brought the car to California, I have no intention of drag racing people on the highway. I spend most of my time flying through the canyons or some winding mountain pass, by myself, at 6AM on a Sunday morning. My goal is to avoid traffic and other drivers all together.

If I saw the hype in spanking people in a half mile straight line I'd simply buy a Tesla, or even build a rust bucket Fox Body mustang and make people look like fools with a $7,500 shitbox.

I don't believe this car "underperforms" in a straight line. It performs well enough for something it wasn't engineered for.
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The reason people are bitching about M Performance cars is because M owners got to pay an extra $30K to get 0.5 sec faster car on a 0-60...

And we get an xDrive as a bonus so we are using them year round...lol

Yes, this is a Dakar Yellow 435i M Performance (now an M435i) Dinan stage 2, manual gear box, xDrive and very proud of it.
It's not just about speed, that's only a small slice of the pie to consider....Its the drastically improved road feel, steering feel/response, tighter chassis, improved brakes, engine etc.

Being a finance guy, I tried so hard to convince myself that a 335i/435i/M340i etc was close enough to a true M car so I could save the money. After many extensive test drives though, I understood why the true M cars are so special and worth that price difference if its within your means. Your 435i is pretty and I'm sure is quite quick in a straight line, but please don't go around telling people it's an M car. It's not even an M435i, there was simply no such thing in 2015. That's like a 335i owner saying he now has an M335i because BMW is currently producing the M340i...
I'm gonna stop you there because I've had both and there are 2 things to consider.

A new M340 is faster and more capable than my old E92 M3. Does that mean my M3 is no longer a real M car because it doesn't have true M Performance by modern standards? I'm sure you'll answer no.

So then what makes the M340 NOT an M car? It has real M Performance.

The new M3 will of course be even more solid and stable and fast, but you don't need it everyday. You might use 50% of the car's performance on your commute, and that's only for a few seconds at a time. At normal speeds, it feels like...a BMW. And if you're gonna use it like a normal BMW most of the time, why not get a normal BMW?
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Huh? Which "F80 guys" feel outraged? I have seen very few M owners expressing any type of rage. It only seems to be posts like yours where you are bent out of shape for some reason. Perhaps you don't see the irony of your post espousing your pleasure with your own car and then hating on people who drive a different model. Again, projection.
You're blind, reread again, M340i owners are laughing, why would i be mad, what is there for me to be offended by? It was called in the second post that the real M guys will be outraged. I was enjoying my car from August when i took delivery. Show we where you see me or any M340i owner angry, what would I be angry about? I just find it comical and ridiculous at the outrage of something so silly.

edit. Some F80 guys are outraged, which we all knew from the moment OP made the announcement.
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