07-03-2019, 11:02 PM | #45 |
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I don't think I can call the M2 a sleeper. Sure, some people might not be able to tell the difference from a 240 but I think it looks very aggressive in stock form. Also the sound is very noticeable.
Looking at 0-60 times seems silly to me. I hope you didn't buy the M2 for straight line acceleration. This is what I call a sleeper: 3.0L, 6 speed, LSD, PSS10, 8.5PSI twinscrew supercharger. The power and torque numbers are pretty much identical to OG M2 - |
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07-03-2019, 11:15 PM | #46 | |
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He's my older brother but our personality's are total opposite, his Escalade looked like it's from a rap video, house has sculpted lions in front and kitchen is all custom with Viking appliances yet he or his wife doesn't cook He did have a true sleeper tho, one of my favorite cars he owned merc 500E, I hated the color @ the time but 320 hp 0-60 under 5.5 seconds it was a beast Not the same one but close photo |
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I'm not trying to say the M2C is "The quintessential sleeper" and I fully recognize how subjective the definition really is, but compared to its current market alternatives, I think the designers have kept it subtle. I perceive that it's ALMOST indistinguishable from a base M2 by moderate enthusiasts while being measurably more capable. I think that its performance styling cues are more subtle than even its generation M brethren. The M3 and M5 still turn my head EVERY time.
I see 3/4 Series everyday with nothing more than rims, springs and exhaust that make my M2C look and sound well-mannered and unassuming. I am under no delusion that some of those car's drivers know exactly what's up but I perceive that, to the general pop', the M2C looks comparatively modest, when driven modestly. I am afraid though, that simply installing coilovers might completely destroy my premise. So there's that. Last edited by silverds; 07-04-2019 at 01:55 PM.. |
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I just plucked those pics from the web to show that HS/AW look more menacing on coilovers. |
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I feel like for most non enthusiasts, aka "normies" a Lambo, Ferrari, 911, etc., is a "nice sports car", and everything else is just "some car".
I imagine most M cars, new or classic, will just be "some BMW" to most people, lol. |
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Haha lets be real, car needs to be fast to be a sleeper. And as much as I love my M2C, you can't seriously call it a fast car. Maybe with an extra 100hp it could be considered sleeper-ish but I would say its looks match its performance pretty spot on.
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M2C Performance = Unremarkable M2C Looks = M2C Performance M2C Looks = Unremarkable Sounds like a Sleeper to me. Last edited by silverds; 07-04-2019 at 04:28 PM.. |
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07-04-2019, 04:42 PM | #56 |
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Slower around the track, but...
From the Road and Track M2 Competition vs Camaro SS 1 LE... “When road test editor Kyle Kinard and I try a couple of “roll races” on Thermal’s back straight, the muscle-car BMW smokes the fair-and-balanced Chevy every time. True, our M2 Comp tester has the seven-speed dualclutch gearbox, but that’s not why. Rather, it’s the tsunami of torque produced by the S55 straight-six, coupled with a weight advantage. Every few hundred feet, the BMW pulls out another car-length.” In the article, if the M2C had the same class of tire as the 1LE, lap times would be probably be close. The Camaro could benefit from shorter gearing, but the gas mileage would be terrible. |
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To me the M2C is a nice looking car. Not too shouty. Shouty cars attract too much attentions and easily gets you reported when you're whizzing around a little bit too fast.
However, it does get noticed. My wife has had other ladies walk up to her just to tell her it's a nice looking car at the mall car park. My mum - not a car person - just thinks it's another sedan looking at its rear. The front is nice and sporty, but no one will see the sportiness when viewing through their rear view mirroring as you approach them from behind. So I believe, on the road you won't get noticed much. I have HS, but if I wanted it louder, I would've got SO/LBB. |
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07-04-2019, 06:02 PM | #59 |
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Some pics to show how inconspicuous the M2C can be when it needs to be. It's practically camoflaged in SO/LBB. See if you can find the M2C in these pics. Good luck..
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07-04-2019, 06:45 PM | #60 | |
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It’s easy to loose perspective but you need to get out there and drive what most people drive. It isn’t a McLaren standard of fast for most of the world. I spend ALOT of time at serious PCA club track events (Watkins Glen, Pocono, etc..) over the last 25 years and competing in many. Hate to break it to you but the M2C would be considered a “fast car” by these group of club racing enthusiasts. “Fast” can be relative but not in this particular context. This is where the internet world of stat comparisons and real world club racing can differ greatly in perspective of tangible speed and performance. A real world 4 second 0-60mph RWD M2C is fast. I have owned too many more exotic “fast cars” that were not as fast as the M2C. It took them a entire day to get a Hellcat to 4.2 seconds 0-60mph Even the GM Pro driver couldn’t get under 5.17 seconds 0-60mph. Corvette Grand Sport with Pro driver 5.17 seconds 0-60mph. Go to 2:08 Shelby GT350R. Struggled to get under 5 seconds and best time was 4.53 seconds 0-60mph. It was all they could do to get a under 5 second run. The best the pro driver could do was a 4.7 on a drag strip. My wife can get a 4.3 second run all day long in my X5 50i M-Sport loaded with groceries and all she does is mash the go pedal. HP is great but it also needs a efficient transmission and that is what BMW does best and perhaps better than any one else. Last edited by MystroX5; 07-04-2019 at 07:22 PM.. |
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07-04-2019, 07:45 PM | #62 | |
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The M5 might be an official M car with brutal power output but it's made with all the standard creature comforts and sound tuning to retain subtlety of a standard BMW model. It has full body sound insulation, unlike every other M car, and even an exhaust button to tone down the sound and go into stealth mode, on the fly. It's a grower, not a shower.. . M5 VS M2 sound insulation and exhaust button: |
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If Chevrolet put an LT1 in a Malibu and made it a 4.4 sec 0-60 car with only subtlle visual cues, I'm willing to bet every automotive journalist and their mother will be falling over themselves to celebrate its sleeper-ness. Don't believe me, read ANY article or watch any Youtube review of the Chevrolet SS Sedan. Sure every enthuisiast on the internet knew what it was but it was still regarded an all-time sleeper, even besting the E39 M3 around the track. It had fat fenders, Brembos and a spolier too. My Chevrolet SS got complimented/acknowledged regulaly, and never stopped being a sleeper.
My M2C draws eyeballs for sure, why wouldn't it, it's beautiful, but somehow the sleeper formula doesn't apply to the M2C because, reasons? BMW took the M engine from the M3/4 stuffed it into the same M2 that originally came with a less powerful non-M engine for at least three model years, stiffened the chassis, gave it an ELSD and made only minimal appearance changes to address cooling. Keep in mind the 240i and OG M2 were nearly neck and neck in a straight line before they stuffed the S55 in it and did the other stuff. Yet unless you are hoovering up M2C videos or arguing on M2Bimmerpost you can't tell from any visual cues that the M2C outperforms M3/M4 nor can you tell how much more power and improved handling it has over the base M2. Sounds like the recipe for a Sleeper to me, fellas. Last edited by silverds; 07-04-2019 at 10:31 PM.. |
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