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      07-03-2019, 11:02 PM   #45
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I don't think I can call the M2 a sleeper. Sure, some people might not be able to tell the difference from a 240 but I think it looks very aggressive in stock form. Also the sound is very noticeable.

Looking at 0-60 times seems silly to me. I hope you didn't buy the M2 for straight line acceleration.

This is what I call a sleeper: 3.0L, 6 speed, LSD, PSS10, 8.5PSI twinscrew supercharger. The power and torque numbers are pretty much identical to OG M2 -

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I don't think I can call the M2 a sleeper. Sure, some people might not be able to tell the difference from a 240 but I think it looks very aggressive in stock form. Also the sound is very noticeable.

Looking at 0-60 times seems silly to me. I hope you didn't buy the M2 for straight line acceleration.

This is what I call a sleeper: 3.0L, 6 speed, LSD, PSS10, 8.5PSI twinscrew supercharger. The power and torque numbers are pretty much identical to OG M2 -

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Damn, I can't remember I last time I saw one of those..

You can move keys of coke in that and no one would bat an eye; now that's a sleeping unicorn...
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compared to my brothers corvette it's night n day with attention, and that's what I wanted, no fat ghetto broads sitting on my hood taking selfies, happens to my brother weekly
Your bro?

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Funny! Is that him? no, darker hair lol

He's my older brother but our personality's are total opposite, his Escalade looked like it's from a rap video, house has sculpted lions in front and kitchen is all custom with Viking appliances yet he or his wife doesn't cook

He did have a true sleeper tho, one of my favorite cars he owned merc 500E, I hated the color @ the time but 320 hp 0-60 under 5.5 seconds it was a beast

Not the same one but close photo
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You just hurt my car’s feelings by calling her “cute and chubby.” Lol
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I'm not trying to say the M2C is "The quintessential sleeper" and I fully recognize how subjective the definition really is, but compared to its current market alternatives, I think the designers have kept it subtle. I perceive that it's ALMOST indistinguishable from a base M2 by moderate enthusiasts while being measurably more capable. I think that its performance styling cues are more subtle than even its generation M brethren. The M3 and M5 still turn my head EVERY time.

I see 3/4 Series everyday with nothing more than rims, springs and exhaust that make my M2C look and sound well-mannered and unassuming. I am under no delusion that some of those car's drivers know exactly what's up but I perceive that, to the general pop', the M2C looks comparatively modest, when driven modestly.

I am afraid though, that simply installing coilovers might completely destroy my premise. So there's that.


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I'm not trying to say the M2C is "The quintessential sleeper" and I fully recognize how subjective the definition really is, but compared to its current market alternatives, I think the designers have kept it subtle. I perceive that it's ALMOST indistinguishable from a base M2 by moderate enthusiasts while being measurably more capable. I think that its performance styling cues are more subtle than even its generation M brethren. The M3 and M5 still turn my head EVERY time.

I see 3/4 Series everyday with nothing more than rims, springs and exhaust that make my M2C look and sound well-mannered and unassuming. I am under no delusion that some of those car's drivers know exactly what's up but I perceive that, to the general pop', the M2C looks comparatively modest, when driven modestly.

I am afraid though, that simply installing coilovers might completely destroy my premise. So there's that.



Damn! That first photo of your car in the woods... It is semi-pornographic! It's the equivalent of a "boudoir" photoshoot.
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Damn! That first photo of your car in the woods... It is semi-pornographic! It's the equivalent of a "boudoir" photoshoot.
No no no. That's not my car. I have a Sunset Orange with dark rims, that drops panties in two counties everytime I start it.

I just plucked those pics from the web to show that HS/AW look more menacing on coilovers.
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I feel like for most non enthusiasts, aka "normies" a Lambo, Ferrari, 911, etc., is a "nice sports car", and everything else is just "some car".

I imagine most M cars, new or classic, will just be "some BMW" to most people, lol.
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I'm not trying to say the M2C is "The quintessential sleeper" and I fully recognize how subjective the definition really is, but compared to its current market alternatives, I think the designers have kept it subtle. I perceive that it's ALMOST indistinguishable from a base M2 by moderate enthusiasts while being measurably more capable. I think that its performance styling cues are more subtle than even its generation M brethren. The M3 and M5 still turn my head EVERY time.

I see 3/4 Series everyday with nothing more than rims, springs and exhaust that make my M2C look and sound well-mannered and unassuming. I am under no delusion that some of those car's drivers know exactly what's up but I perceive that, to the general pop', the M2C looks comparatively modest, when driven modestly.

I am afraid though, that simply installing coilovers might completely destroy my premise. So there's that.



Damn! That first photo of your car in the woods... It is semi-pornographic! It's the equivalent of a "boudoir" photoshoot.
That's my car actually
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Haha lets be real, car needs to be fast to be a sleeper. And as much as I love my M2C, you can't seriously call it a fast car. Maybe with an extra 100hp it could be considered sleeper-ish but I would say its looks match its performance pretty spot on.
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Haha lets be real, car needs to be fast to be a sleeper. And as much as I love my M2C, you can't seriously call it a fast car. Maybe with an extra 100hp it could be considered sleeper-ish but I would say its looks match its performance pretty spot on.
Yes exactly. I couldn't express it any more succinctly than you did.

M2C Performance = Unremarkable
M2C Looks = M2C Performance
M2C Looks = Unremarkable

Sounds like a Sleeper to me.

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      07-04-2019, 04:42 PM   #56
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the slower car. e.g. the M2C
Slower around the track, but...

From the Road and Track M2 Competition vs Camaro SS 1 LE...

“When road test editor Kyle Kinard and I try a couple of “roll races” on Thermal’s back straight, the muscle-car BMW smokes the fair-and-balanced Chevy every time. True, our M2 Comp tester has the seven-speed dualclutch gearbox, but that’s not why. Rather, it’s the tsunami of torque produced by the S55 straight-six, coupled with a weight advantage. Every few hundred feet, the BMW pulls out another car-length.”

In the article, if the M2C had the same class of tire as the 1LE, lap times would be probably be close.

The Camaro could benefit from shorter gearing, but the gas mileage would be terrible.
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Yes exactly. I couldn't express it any more succinctly than you did.

M2C Performance = Unremarkable
M2C Looks = M2C Performance
M2C Looks = Unremarkable

Sounds like a Sleeper to me.
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To me the M2C is a nice looking car. Not too shouty. Shouty cars attract too much attentions and easily gets you reported when you're whizzing around a little bit too fast.

However, it does get noticed. My wife has had other ladies walk up to her just to tell her it's a nice looking car at the mall car park.

My mum - not a car person - just thinks it's another sedan looking at its rear. The front is nice and sporty, but no one will see the sportiness when viewing through their rear view mirroring as you approach them from behind. So I believe, on the road you won't get noticed much.

I have HS, but if I wanted it louder, I would've got SO/LBB.
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Some pics to show how inconspicuous the M2C can be when it needs to be. It's practically camoflaged in SO/LBB. See if you can find the M2C in these pics. Good luck..
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Haha lets be real, car needs to be fast to be a sleeper. And as much as I love my M2C, you can't seriously call it a fast car. Maybe with an extra 100hp it could be considered sleeper-ish but I would say its looks match its performance pretty spot on.


It’s easy to loose perspective but you need to get out there and drive what most people drive. It isn’t a McLaren standard of fast for most of the world. I spend ALOT of time at serious PCA club track events (Watkins Glen, Pocono, etc..) over the last 25 years and competing in many. Hate to break it to you but the M2C would be considered a “fast car” by these group of club racing enthusiasts. “Fast” can be relative but not in this particular context. This is where the internet world of stat comparisons and real world club racing can differ greatly in perspective of tangible speed and performance. A real world 4 second 0-60mph RWD M2C is fast. I have owned too many more exotic “fast cars” that were not as fast as the M2C.


It took them a entire day to get a Hellcat to 4.2 seconds 0-60mph


Even the GM Pro driver couldn’t get under 5.17 seconds 0-60mph. Corvette Grand Sport with Pro driver 5.17 seconds 0-60mph.
Go to 2:08


Shelby GT350R. Struggled to get under 5 seconds and best time was 4.53 seconds 0-60mph.


It was all they could do to get a under 5 second run. The best the pro driver could do was a 4.7 on a drag strip. My wife can get a 4.3 second run all day long in my X5 50i M-Sport loaded with groceries and all she does is mash the go pedal.





HP is great but it also needs a efficient transmission and that is what BMW does best and perhaps better than any one else.

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Lol there's nothing sleeper about the M2C. This isn't the M5 which is a huge sleeper.

This thing looks aggressive AF
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Lol there's nothing sleeper about the M2C. This isn't the M5 which is a huge sleeper.

This thing looks aggressive AF
So true.

The M5 might be an official M car with brutal power output but it's made with all the standard creature comforts and sound tuning to retain subtlety of a standard BMW model.

It has full body sound insulation, unlike every other M car, and even an exhaust button to tone down the sound and go into stealth mode, on the fly.

It's a grower, not a shower..


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M5 VS M2 sound insulation and exhaust button:
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If Chevrolet put an LT1 in a Malibu and made it a 4.4 sec 0-60 car with only subtlle visual cues, I'm willing to bet every automotive journalist and their mother will be falling over themselves to celebrate its sleeper-ness. Don't believe me, read ANY article or watch any Youtube review of the Chevrolet SS Sedan. Sure every enthuisiast on the internet knew what it was but it was still regarded an all-time sleeper, even besting the E39 M3 around the track. It had fat fenders, Brembos and a spolier too. My Chevrolet SS got complimented/acknowledged regulaly, and never stopped being a sleeper.

My M2C draws eyeballs for sure, why wouldn't it, it's beautiful, but somehow the sleeper formula doesn't apply to the M2C because, reasons? BMW took the M engine from the M3/4 stuffed it into the same M2 that originally came with a less powerful non-M engine for at least three model years, stiffened the chassis, gave it an ELSD and made only minimal appearance changes to address cooling. Keep in mind the 240i and OG M2 were nearly neck and neck in a straight line before they stuffed the S55 in it and did the other stuff. Yet unless you are hoovering up M2C videos or arguing on M2Bimmerpost you can't tell from any visual cues that the M2C outperforms M3/M4 nor can you tell how much more power and improved handling it has over the base M2.

Sounds like the recipe for a Sleeper to me, fellas.

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I'm not trying to say the M2C is "The quintessential sleeper" and I fully recognize how subjective the definition really is, but compared to its current market alternatives, I think the designers have kept it subtle. I perceive that it's ALMOST indistinguishable from a base M2 by moderate enthusiasts while being measurably more capable. I think that its performance styling cues are more subtle than even its generation M brethren. The M3 and M5 still turn my head EVERY time.

I see 3/4 Series everyday with nothing more than rims, springs and exhaust that make my M2C look and sound well-mannered and unassuming. I am under no delusion that some of those car's drivers know exactly what's up but I perceive that, to the general pop', the M2C looks comparatively modest, when driven modestly.

I am afraid though, that simply installing coilovers might completely destroy my premise. So there's that.

I think your perception is wrong. The general public as best I can tell perceives the m2 as more aggressive than your average car. I've had many people come up to me and ask me about the car. If it was regular 2 series or 3 series I don't think that would happen. Personally I think the m5 looks much less aggressive. Was looking at m5c on Wednesday and it doesn't have wide fender bulges, an aggressive hood, or anything pointy on the bumper.
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It’s easy to loose perspective but you need to get out there and drive what most people drive. It isn’t a McLaren standard of fast for most of the world. I spend ALOT of time at serious PCA club track events (Watkins Glen, Pocono, etc..) over the last 25 years and competing in many. Hate to break it to you but the M2C would be considered a “fast car” by these group of club racing enthusiasts. “Fast” can be relative but not in this particular context. This is where the internet world of stat comparisons and real world club racing can differ greatly in perspective of tangible speed and performance. A real world 4 second 0-60mph RWD M2C is fast. I have owned too many more exotic “fast cars” that were not as fast as the M2C..
I get what you're saying but honestly the gap has closed so much that 400 odd horsepower is nothing special, especially in a car that weighs so much. Plot it on a normal distribution and for sure its "fast" but the term sleeper refers to cars that look stock or very modest but perform (mostly in terms of straight line speed) to supercar levels. That duality simply doesn't exist here. The M2 is both too slow and too aggressively styled to check the sleeper boxes in my opinion. Of course, theres no true definition of "sleeper" but when I google it or search on YT i expect to see stock looking suzuki swifts taking down Lambos and shit lol
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I get what you're saying but honestly the gap has closed so much that 400 odd horsepower is nothing special, especially in a car that weighs so much. Plot it on a normal distribution and for sure its "fast" but the term sleeper refers to cars that look stock or very modest but perform (mostly in terms of straight line speed) to supercar levels. That duality simply doesn't exist here. The M2 is both too slow and too aggressively styled to check the sleeper boxes in my opinion. Of course, theres no true definition of "sleeper" but when I google it or search on YT i expect to see stock looking suzuki swifts taking down Lambos and shit lol
You wanna hear something funny? My head is still stuck in 1980. I remember watching Magnum PI, and being blown away by the Ferrari 308. 0-60 in 7.3 seconds. Somehow, my brain never updated its definition of "fast." I wake up nearly 40 years later, start researching family cars as my wife and I are gearing up to have kids, and the Toyota Sienna can do 0-60 in 7.1 seconds. Mind blown!

I have a nominee for sleeper: the Toyota Sienna!
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