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      10-21-2020, 12:37 PM   #243
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Has anyone successfully fit a 305/35r18 NT01 on the rear, ideally on a 18x10.5 et40 wheel? I’m interested in trying them and 275/305 is the closest to ideal sizing for my 9.5/10.5 track wheels that they offer.

The Apex fitment guide makes 305 sound like a tight squeeze, but I see other 305’s being successfully fitted in this thread and elsewhere.

FWIW, my M2 is lowered around 10mm in front and roughly 15mm (I’m guessing as it seems to have settled a bit in the rear since install- open to changing ride height) in the rear on Ohlins R&T. I’m also already running a fair bit of camber at 3.2f/2.4r.

Backup would be to try 265/40f and 275/40 rear, which might not be horrible from a handling perspective as I’m torn on square vs staggered. Will probably just require some massaging of the front liners.
I have the same wheel setup and suspension drop with the thought of running 275/305/35/18 NT01 as one of my track tire options. While I haven’t tried that specific setup, yet, my garage measurements tell me it will work.

I was measuring offset/tire size/clearance from the 19x10.5 ET45 305/30 RE-71R rear that I used to run to estimate if it would fit. The NT01 setup is about 1/4” taller and 1/4” more outboard, and it seemed that amount of room was available. It’ll be tight but should work.

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I have the same wheel setup and suspension drop with the thought of running 275/305/35/18 NT01 as one of my track tire options. While I havenít tried that specific setup, yet, my garage measurements tell me it will work.

I was measuring offset/tire size/clearance from the 19x10.5 ET45 305/30 RE-71R rear that I used to run to estimate if it would fit. The NT01 setup is about 1/4Ē taller and 1/4Ē more outboard, and it seemed that amount of room was available. Itíll be tight but should work.
Thanks. I have a couple weeks before I need to have tires ordered for my next track event. Letís see if anyone else chimes in.

Apexís description mentioning rolling/pulling fenders has scared me away so far, but if the 305/30r19 RE71 fit, thereís hope yet.
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Hey I know this isn't a for sale thread, but I've been a contributor to it so I feel it's OK. I sold my M2, and am sitting on a pair of stock painted black rear 19" 437Ms wrapped in 6/32nds worth of year-old 305/30 RE-71rs. I'll practically give them away for 500 bucks in the DC area. This is indeed max rubber for the rears, and they'll fit on a bone stock car. They even have TPMS. Let me know guys. Would love to see them rolling for someone. Thanks.
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Thank you for reaching out in regards to your M2C. While it is possible to fit a 18x11" ET44 on the back of a M2C with 305/35-18 tires, you will need to do quite a bit of work to get everything to fit without rubbing. Typically, that setup will require additional rear negative camber and a rear fender roll/pull. I would not suggest pursuing a fitment like this unless you plan on driving this car strictly on the track, due to the aggressive camber and modification requirements necessary to make it work.

If you would like to check out some of our other M2 offerings, our chassis specific fitment guide can be found here: https://support.apexraceparts.com/hc...-Fitment-Guide

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I have a set of your square 18x10" SM-10's.

I'm looking to run some Nitto NT-01's on my M2C.

275/35 on the fronts and 305/35's rear.

I have a TC Kline D/A C/O setup on the car.

Right now I have Yoko A052's on the 10" rims. 265/35 & 295/35. Under full compression there is a little contact in the rear. I plan on rolling my rear fenders for a little more clearance and adding additional Neg camber as well for added clearance.

Can I squeeze the 305 /35's under there on your SM-10 11" rims?
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I've always wanted that rear 11" fitment to work, but I assumed it was going to be just too tight, especially for a street driven track car.

While the math says there's only a 2.4mm difference b/n this and the 18x10.5 ET40 setup, I still think it'll work without fender rolling.

We'll see!

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Good afternoon,

Thank you for reaching out in regards to your M2C. While it is possible to fit a 18x11" ET44 on the back of a M2C with 305/35-18 tires, you will need to do quite a bit of work to get everything to fit without rubbing. Typically, that setup will require additional rear negative camber and a rear fender roll/pull. I would not suggest pursuing a fitment like this unless you plan on driving this car strictly on the track, due to the aggressive camber and modification requirements necessary to make it work.

If you would like to check out some of our other M2 offerings, our chassis specific fitment guide can be found here: https://support.apexraceparts.com/hc...-Fitment-Guide

If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to reach out.

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Oct 25, 2020, 10:27 AM PDT

I have a set of your square 18x10" SM-10's.

I'm looking to run some Nitto NT-01's on my M2C.

275/35 on the fronts and 305/35's rear.

I have a TC Kline D/A C/O setup on the car.

Right now I have Yoko A052's on the 10" rims. 265/35 & 295/35. Under full compression there is a little contact in the rear. I plan on rolling my rear fenders for a little more clearance and adding additional Neg camber as well for added clearance.

Can I squeeze the 305 /35's under there on your SM-10 11" rims?
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I have a set of your square 18x10" SM-10's.

I'm looking to run some Nitto NT-01's on my M2C.

275/35 on the fronts and 305/35's rear.

I have a TC Kline D/A C/O setup on the car.

Right now I have Yoko A052's on the 10" rims. 265/35 & 295/35. Under full compression there is a little contact in the rear. I plan on rolling my rear fenders for a little more clearance and adding additional Neg camber as well for added clearance.

Can I squeeze the 305 /35's under there on your SM-10 11" rims?
Where are you getting rub with the 295 A052 on 18x10 combo? Deep in the wheel well, or closer to the fender lip?

Another thought- what about a 19x10.5 et45 wheel with the 305/30r19? That extra 5mm of space might make the room needed for the 305.

I keep thinking 18" front and 19" rear wheels might open up the most tire options for our cars.

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Its making contact with the inside edge of the fender.

As for running a 19" rear rim, that is a interesting idea. It makes sense and the 305/30/19 is a better fit as well. it has the same diameter as the 295/35 Yoko's.

Apex makes a 19x11 Et 44....this is probably the way I'm going in the Spg after the A052's are toast.
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Its making contact with the inside edge of the fender.

As for running a 19" rear rim, that is a interesting idea. It makes sense and the 305/30/19 is a better fit as well. it has the same diameter as the 295/35 Yoko's.

Apex makes a 19x11 Et 34....this is probably the way I'm going in the Spg after the A052's are toast.
Yeah, that 18x10 ET33 you’re running in the back just sticks out a bit too much for a lowered car.

The 18x10.5 ET40 setup only gives an extra 0.7mm clearance, and that’s going to get more than eaten up by running a 305 NT01 vs 295 A052, so maybe that idea won’t work. How much are you lowered?

I ran several 295 & 305/30’s on a 19x10.5 ET45 rear without any issues. Lowered 17mm in the rear. There are two fender tabs that I had to trim back, but I’m guessing you already did that.
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So my question for the group is, what's the benefit of running the 305 extra rear grip if the limitation is a 275 up front? Is anyone here running a 285/295 up front yet? Or attempted to test fit?
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Yeah, that 18x10 ET33 youíre running in the back just sticks out a bit too much for a lowered car.

The 18x10.5 ET40 setup only gives an extra 0.7mm clearance, and thatís going to get more than eaten up by running a 305 NT01 vs 295 A052, so maybe that idea wonít work. How much are you lowered?

I ran several 295 & 305/30ís on a 19x10.5 ET45 rear without any issues. Lowered 17mm in the rear. There are two fender tabs that I had to trim back, but Iím guessing you already did that.
Great to know.....I haven't trimmed the tabs back yet. Will be doing that with a fender roll next week.

I like the extra 11mm with the ET 44 11" rims. Your trial and error work is enough for me to move fwd next spg on getting the 305's to work.
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So my question for the group is, what's the benefit of running the 305 extra rear grip if the limitation is a 275 up front? Is anyone here running a 285/295 up front yet? Or attempted to test fit?
The 305 helps quite a bit coming out of the corners for cars that are tuned.

A 285 upfront would be ideal, but that limits us to 285/30/18 options upfront and whatever 305/35/18 or 305/30/19 that matches for the back.

I donít see me trying the 295 upfront bc Iím not going to do any fender work on my car.
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Great to know.....I haven't trimmed the tabs back yet. Will be doing that with a fender roll next week.

I like the extra 11mm with the ET 44 11" rims. Your trial and error work is enough for me to move fwd next spg on getting the 305's to work.
If you can get that 11Ē to work, that would be great. Probably requires the fender roll (which Iím not going to do).

Trimming the tabs alone will give you ~4mm extra clearance which may be enough for the 305/30/18 18x10.5" ET40 to work that bentom2 and I have been talking about.

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If you can get that 11Ē to work, that would be great. Probably requires the fender roll (which Iím not going to do).

Trimming the tabs alone will give you ~4mm extra clearance which may be enough for the 305/30/18 18x10.5" ET40 to work that bentom2 and I have been talking about.
I don't have a choice unless I buy 4 more rims. I have the SM-10's now and the only size they have in 10.5 or 11" is the 19x11 ET44.

I did the math:

Front setup is the 18x10 ET33 with 12MM spacers and 265/35 A052's.

Tire Diameter=25.4" /Sec Width=10.6

Going to 275/35 NT-01 = 25.55 & SW 10.91" so almost identical diameter and .31" overall ....0.155" more inside and outside.

Rear setup now 18x10" E33 with 295/35's

Tire Diameter=26.2 with SW=11.8

Going to 19x11" ET44 with NT-01 305/30/19's

Diameter=26.26 (same) and SW=12.32 (0.48" more) or 0.24" inside and outside.

With the 44 vs 33ET's 33mm=1.30" 44mm=1.73" , So 0.43" more inboard.

So 0.07" further out with the rims and the tires would be 1/4" more.

I've got the camber shim kit and can take the tabs out and roll them also.

I don't want to add anymore Neg camber than needed in the rear. I'm at 2.0 right now...

Sounds really tight...
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I'm contemplating going with Apex SM10 19x9.5 ET22 up front and 19x11 ET44 rears with 275/30/19/ 305/30/19 as oppose to the EC7 M2C specific wheels. Primary reasons I'm considering this set up are 1) I don't want to worry about whether i'll need a spacer to clear coilvers and 2) I think 305/30/19 tires would fit better on 11" wide wheels. I'm really curious how things go with your set up @SeatTimeRules to see if what i'm thinking about will actually work.
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I'm contemplating going with Apex SM10 19x9.5 ET22 up front and 19x11 ET44 rears with 275/30/19/ 305/30/19 as oppose to the EC7 M2C specific wheels. Primary reasons I'm considering this set up are 1) I don't want to worry about whether i'll need a spacer to clear coilvers and 2) I think 305/30/19 tires would fit better on 11" wide wheels. I'm really curious how things go with your set up @SeatTimeRules to see if what i'm thinking about will actually work.
The front fitment depends on your spring diameter. I used 5 mm spacer in the the front just to clear kw springs
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I don't have a choice unless I buy 4 more rims. I have the SM-10's now and the only size they have in 10.5 or 11" is the 19x11 ET44.

I did the math:

Front setup is the 18x10 ET33 with 12MM spacers and 265/35 A052's.

Tire Diameter=25.4" /Sec Width=10.6

Going to 275/35 NT-01 = 25.55 & SW 10.91" so almost identical diameter and .31" overall ....0.155" more inside and outside.

Rear setup now 18x10" E33 with 295/35's

Tire Diameter=26.2 with SW=11.8

Going to 19x11" ET44 with NT-01 305/30/19's

Diameter=26.26 (same) and SW=12.32 (0.48" more) or 0.24" inside and outside.

With the 44 vs 33ET's 33mm=1.30" 44mm=1.73" , So 0.43" more inboard.

So 0.07" further out with the rims and the tires would be 1/4" more.

I've got the camber shim kit and can take the tabs out and roll them also.

I don't want to add anymore Neg camber than needed in the rear. I'm at 2.0 right now...

Sounds really tight...
Yeah, did all the same math, along with measuring off my 19x10.5" ET45 305/30/19 setup before deciding to go with the 18x10.5 ET40 vs 18x11 ET44. Plus, I wanted the EC-7R, so that ruled out the 18x11 Apex options.

Either is going to be such a tight fit for a 305/35/18 on a lowered car running -2.0-2.1 rear camber that I didn't want to risk the 18x11. A 305 is a 305, but the 10.5" rim will pull in the sidewall a little, giving a couple more mm clearance and I think that couple mm will be necessary to not have to do fender work other than trimming the tabs.

Essentially I'm estimating that the 18x10.5" ET40 will provide 3-4mm more fender clearance than the 18x11" ET44 with a 305/35/18, which is a lot considering how tight we're talking about. If this had been a normal track year, I already would have tried the 18x10.5" and 305/35/18 so we'd all have an answer.

All this said, I hope the 18x11 ET44 works, as that would be a great fitment. I'll follow up with a link to some pics for visuals on my previous setup that I've been measuring from.
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Here are pics of my previous 19x9.5 ET33 & 19x10.5 ET45 VMR’s with 265/295/30 Trofeo’s. Lowered 12mm front, 17mm rear. -3.0 & -2.0 camber front/rear: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=379

As you can see, plenty of room on the outside and there was plenty of clearance on the inside bc I’m running Dinan HAS.

A 305/35/18 is 5mm taller and wider towards the fender. Add in that I’m going to ET40 from ET45, and I’m now 10mm further outboard and 5mm taller than what you see in the pic.

I now run -2.1 camber in the rear (which gives ~1mm more clearance vs -2.0), but I didn’t want to chance my luck adding another 3-4mm outboard with the 18x11. My gut tells me you’ll be fine after trimming tabs and a little fender roll, but I didn’t want to do the fender roll so I played it safer.

All this said, when we're playing the mm game, alignment accuracy and movement (if you don't have lockout bolts/nuts) and differences in tire construction even in the same size will all have fitment & interference impacts that will overshadow the minimal clearances we're talking about. Something about metal rubbing into rubber at high speed also made me want to play it safer with the 18x10.5".

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So my question for the group is, what's the benefit of running the 305 extra rear grip if the limitation is a 275 up front? Is anyone here running a 285/295 up front yet? Or attempted to test fit?
Like ZM2 said anything of 275 in the front is going to be very, very tight without doing some fender work. The M2 just doesn't have it as easy as we do in the E92 M3 world. I still get a bit of rub with 275 R7s in the front. And definitely when the power starts to climb a bit more grip in the rear helps. I like staying within 20mm & the minimal bump in understeer is still outwieghed by overall pace increase. 30mm is a bit more than I prefer but on the F87 platform and all the fitment constraints we get to mess with you have to go where you can make the tires work - would think 275/305 would still be quicker overall than 275 square.

That being said I will have some good feedback on what 305 square & up feels like on the F87 platform here in a few months
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The front fitment depends on your spring diameter. I used 5 mm spacer in the the front just to clear kw springs
Did you use 5mm spacer on the 19x9.5 ET 28 or 19x9.5 ET22 Apex wheel? I'm leaning towards the TC Kline coilover set up which uses liner springs.
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The front fitment depends on your spring diameter. I used 5 mm spacer in the the front just to clear kw springs
Did you use 5mm spacer on the 19x9.5 ET 28 or 19x9.5 ET22 Apex wheel? I'm leaning towards the TC Kline coilover set up which uses liner springs.
My wheel is 9.5 et23 in the front.
Unfortunately it's not apex but you get the idea. I don't think spring with smaller diameter would have any problem with et23
Here's a pic of using 275/35 in the front with spacer. 265 would be totally fine
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Has anyone tried this specific M3 fitment on their M2 yet ?
18 x 10 et 25
18 x 11 et 44
Yes. I've ran the following:

18x10 et 25 - 265/35
18x11 et 37 - 295/30

Currently run

18x10.5 - 265/35
18x11 - 295/30

Both no issues.
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Has anyone tried this specific M3 fitment on their M2 yet ?
18 x 10 et 25
18 x 11 et 44
Yes. I've ran the following:

18x10 et 25 - 265/35
18x11 et 37 - 295/30

Currently run

18x10.5 - 265/35
18x11 - 295/30

Both no issues.
Do you believe 18*10.5+37 in the rear with 295/30 will fit?
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